So you want to know about the Formidine Rift? (Part 3)

[Jack Shaftoe]

I don't know if this has been tried before, but after re-reading about Kahina/Salome's GalNet quotes on 9/Feb/3301 amd 9/Mar/3301 about not liking to be late, I wondered if she was trying to telegraph something to us by being in certain locations at certain dates. The Julian dates for those two articles are 2926784 and 2926792. Not too far from the Heart & Soul Nebulas and the EAFOTS sector are the galactic coordinates (X and Z, at least) for 6784 and 6792. I zoomed all up and down the Y coordinates at that spot, the only system that came close was MYOIDEAU OH-M D7-2, at about 6785x183x6792.

I flew there, nothing seemed to jump out as out of the ordinary. I still think there's some significance to her rush to be at those places at those times, however.

As for this latest clue (Cassiopeia, Cameleopardis, Perseus) I think it's just further confirmation that we're in the right region. From Sol, those three constellations pretty much straddle the H&S nebulas.

 

[Han_Zen]

I wonder if the 'listening and relay posts' in Tionisla give the encoded part of the message as a Tip off?

Encoded messages are often presented that way.

 

[Jaiotu]

Supernovas take a long time to happen, from Earth if we spot a supernova its been going on for thousands of years.

There are many Supernovas happening in game right now, you have probably scooped from a star in Supanova.

Humans cant contemplate a Supanova until its reached close to its peak. They are happening all around us, no human will ever see a full supanova happen.

A mere technicality I tell you!

Where I say supernova please read "core collapse". It takes millions of years for a star to die, a fraction of a second for the core to collapse and then just a few hours for the shockwave from the collapse to produce the explosion generally thought when we hear the term "supernova".

 

[Darth_Angelus]

Whats opposite of the arrow. Also how does it look in 3d terms.

From the other side, it still forms a rough arrow shape but it's not as clear as the screenshot I posted from the Heart nebula. Other angles, it just looks like a jumble of bookmarks.

While it clearly is an arrow pointing at Polaris, I have a hard time believing that is the answer because anyone who played First Encounters will know Polaris is a Thargoid system, it's not a secret and travelling all the way to the Rift to see that feels a bit much. Also since that system has been permit restricted since launch, that can't be where we're supposed to go.

Unless Polaris is a clue somehow? I'm just guessing at this point though.

For those who missed my earlier post, the constellations, when viewed from the Heart nebula form an arrow pointing at Polaris.

 

[Zeeman]

I wonder if whatever we're looking for is actually towards the bubble (works with "consider the core of the problem"), but we need to be beyond the rift to see it.

Let me tell you, my brain, in the last 5 minutes alone, has seen a giant cockroach, a butterfly, and what look like a 1980's android in the clouds looking towards the bubble..


Anyway, I'm cruisin' the systems in the "sparse area", and amazed how many people confuse WW's and HMC's...
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[Neil1889]

While it clearly is an arrow pointing at Polaris, ...

For what it is worth, I shot by Polaris on the way back from a Rift expedition back at the end of August to see if the permit had been lifted - it hadn't.

 

[Legacy_LuckyLuke]

Actually, I think it was named the Poseidal wall because of the CMDR who reached that point and couldn't go any further. Here's a link to the comment (from the 1st Rift thread) where Erimus named it:

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...t-what-is-it?p=2191199&viewfull=1#post2191199

Yep I was aware of that already, I was merely referencing the name choice coincides with some of the popular mythological characters, which could be a reason why that particular name was chosen. I wasn't implying there was anything more to it than that I was agreeing with the post I replied to that the name doesn't hold any further significance.

Though reading back on Erimus' original post, I see the CMDRs name was Poseidal so definitely a coincidence then

 

[Legacy_LuckyLuke]

If you have a spaceship and you want to look at stars, absolutely the worst thing you can do is go land on a planet, since you're having to deal with an atmosphere, weather systems and light population.

Don't forget she also toured the gas giants in Sol, which would be a good place to view the stars. I'll have to check - did she go to Cambridge before or after her tour?

Just checked ... gas giant tour then visited Cambridge star port ... so possibly no connection between looking at historic records then going to see for herself.

It still strikes me as odd how she made so much fuss in Sol. Definitely smacks of misdirection to me.

 

[evaldo10]

Don't forget she also toured the gas giants in Sol, which would be a good place to view the stars. I'll have to check - did she go to Cambridge before or after her tour?

Just checked ... gas giant tour then visited Cambridge star port ... so possibly no connection between looking at historic records then going to see for herself.

It still strikes me as odd how she made so much fuss in Sol. Definitely smacks of misdirection to me.

Thats why i think she was just there looking.

The latest clue suggests all them constellations are visible from Eafots back to sol.

It may be you see something one way but you do see it the other way.

 

[Zeeman]

The problem is not the problem.

The problem of not knowing the problem is the problem.

I'm sure Capt. Sparrow would put it as such.

OK, frustration now vented. At least I found a few untagged ELW's...

Z...

 

[hammerreborn]

From the other side, it still forms a rough arrow shape but it's not as clear as the screenshot I posted from the Heart nebula. Other angles, it just looks like a jumble of bookmarks.

While it clearly is an arrow pointing at Polaris, I have a hard time believing that is the answer because anyone who played First Encounters will know Polaris is a Thargoid system, it's not a secret and travelling all the way to the Rift to see that feels a bit much. Also since that system has been permit restricted since launch, that can't be where we're supposed to go.

Unless Polaris is a clue somehow? I'm just guessing at this point though.

For those who missed my earlier post, the constellations, when viewed from the Heart nebula form an arrow pointing at Polaris.

http://codedtransmission.com/lookingback2.jpg

Maybe what you are looking for is a system where you see the arrow? So in EAFOTS or heart where the angle makes that arrow.

 

[Zeeman]

Yeay, AW discovery to finish my night.



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[Spruxxx]

Here's a shot with the objects together:

"Cassiopeia and Perseus are seen in context as they go over the northern pole. The Queen's upside-down "W" is to the left, the star-streams of the Hero to the right. In between, in the Milky Way, is the Double Cluster. Andromeda falls toward the top, with its great galaxy M 31 toward the left corner. The faint stars toward the bottom belong to Camelopardalis."

http://stars.astro.illinois.edu/sow/casper-t.html

 

[Han_Zen]

'The vain queen rides a giraffe that remembers her daughter's hero.'

I wonder if there is a trick to this scentence?

Why 'rememberers'? It reminds me of the revolting / re-Volting word play.

In this story we at lest have someone who was dismembered. Medusas head (Algol), could possibly be aligned on to of the giraff's neck (M Camelopardalis?) to re-member her?

Calling Medusa Andromeda's hero is a stretch, but she did kill the Cetus.

 

[lorrad]

Cassiopeia A was first observable from Earth sometime around the year 1667 ... although it took 11,000 years for that light to reach us.

I've often wondered about something in Elite: Dangerous. If a star in Elite were to go supernova ... would that event suddenly be visible throughout the galaxy? Or would the game simulate the speed of light so that the event would only be visible at a close distance?

Let me explain. If you draw a line from Cassiopeia A to Earth and then followed that line AWAY from Earth you should be able to reach a point about 1,635 light-years along that line where you can turn back and actually watch Cassiopeia A go supernova. I've never seen anyone comment on it but if we did have technology like Frame Shift Drives they would do more then just let us travel great distances. They would let us position ourselves in areas of the galaxy where we could, effectively, peer back in time (all astronomy is actually looking back into time, even the light we see from our sun is something like 8 minutes in the past).

So while I doubt that the game is quite so sophisticated that we can actually find a spot where we can watch Cassiopeia A go nova ... it might be that we are looking for some stellar event in the sky that is only visible within a certain range because the light from that event simply hasn't reached the rest of the galaxy yet. Just a thought.

I recall the idea a movable feast with Cas A exploding nightly for your dining pleasure being discussed and some one from on high popping in to say it would fun but not implemented. I don't recall if it was this thread or somewhere else. Also wasn't the area where Cass A should be is northish of the Rho Cass bridge?

Something that bugs me about the new clue, is that it isn't. A ship called the heart and soul broadcasts a location near the heart and soul and cryptic phrase of constellations that surround again the heart and soul. Saying heart and soul over and over again could anything be less nebulous? Less of a clue than being treated like puppies that peed on the carpet and having our noses rubbed init?

If it is a clue there's a layer we're not getting.
That or our secret conspiracy of remaining obtusely dense is starting to pay off and Drew's head is about to go nova.

 

[CMDR Poet Starwind]

As I was researching Cassiopeia, Camelopardalis, Perseus, and Andromeda, I came across the reference to NGC 1501, aka GCRV 2234. I haven't visited it yet but from GalMap it looks pretty interesting. I have searched this thread with no results, so was this covered in part 1 or part 2?

 

[Spenceuk99]

'The vain queen rides a giraffe that remembers her daughter's hero.'
Since remembering is interpreted as looking back and She is depicted often as looking in a mirror, would it follow that the mirror should be oriented in such a way as to allow Perseus to be reflected

I took this screen off Stellarium and as you can see, Perseus is in the wrong place to be reflected.
I don't know how to change the viewpoint in this program to see the constellations from elsewhere, but surely if your pov was shifted (Maybe with reference to the Polaris arrow) you could reach a point where the mirror would reflect the Perseus constellation.

https://s22.postimg.org/4jha6sd5d/ss1crop.jpg


Sorry, I tried to post it inline but all I can manage without errors is a link.

 

[Râgnôs]

Huh, tenuous linking of the myths and legends together:
The oracle of Ammon announced that no relief would be found until the king exposed his daughter Andromeda to the monster, and so she was fastened naked to a rock on the shore. Perseus slew the monster and, setting her free, claimed her in marriage.

[h=1]Siwa Oasis[/h]Siwa Oasis is one of Egypt's most isolated settlements, with 23,000 people, mostly Berbers
Its fame lies primarily in its ancient role as the home to an oracle of Amon, the ruins of which are a popular tourist attraction which gave the oasis its ancient name Ammonium. Historically, it is part of Ancient Libya.

Dihya or Kahina was a female Berber religious and military leader who led a fierce Berber resistance against the Arab-Muslim expansion in North-West Africa

 

[hammerreborn]

Maybe what you are looking for is a system where you see the arrow? So in EAFOTS or heart where the angle makes that arrow.

To further this idea, maybe this is another clue pointing at the heart nebula as the key (as soul would not yield the arrow).

As someone pointed out previously, if you take the heart and soul + EAFOTS clue together, heart is the only one that's located in EAFOTS.

I do wonder if you have to try something tricky with the black hole in the heart nebula.

 

[Gypsy12]

Just putting this out there.

A B C D E F G H I J K L M
3 8
N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z
3 6

3836

OTS EAF OTS EAF

D, A, B, C

=6833

And now- "The vain queen rides a giraffe that remembers her daughter's hero".

A B C D E F G H I J K L M

N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z