Jameson memorial outfitting has gone !

I'm sure - given the volume of players using the system - that it wouldn't take a monumental effort of their part to just get the system out of lockdown.

I kind of understanding people's annoyance, but not to the point where I agree. It's part of the game.

Stop complaining to FD and go and resolve the problem. You have the power.
 
I'm sure - given the volume of players using the system - that it wouldn't take a monumental effort of their part to just get the system out of lockdown.

I kind of understanding people's annoyance, but not to the point where I agree. It's part of the game.

Stop complaining to FD and go and resolve the problem. You have the power.

Many of us are doing exactly that. Notwithstanding this, we are also discussing it on this thread. Hope that's okay with you?
 
Stop complaining to FD and go and resolve the problem. You have the power.

We need to resolve this problem once and for all. Only FD can do that - either by locking Shinrarta from BGS stuff or changing how lockdowns work. If we simply "submit", the lockdown will happen again. And again. And again. And ad infinium.
 
Many of us are doing exactly that. Notwithstanding this, we are also discussing it on this thread. Hope that's okay with you?

It's nice of you to ask. Discuss away [haha]

My post was obviously not for the individuals actually discussing it. It's for the ones complaining about it (I would have posted it in the other thread posted this morning, but it was closed).
 
It's nice of you to ask. Discuss away [haha]

My post was obviously not for the individuals actually discussing it. It's for the ones complaining about it (I would have posted it in the other thread posted this morning, but it was closed).

It doesn't surprise me that some people are irritated into complaining by this type of behaviour, and it doesn't surprise me that other people are irritated by their irritation. Nothing on the internet surprises me anymore.
 
i would think, that FD reads this and thinks: "oooh, we hit some sore nerves... lets use this to get the community together. quick: freeze the situation and brainstorm for a story event."

meanwhile at FDs plans for a CG are in motion and ideas how to integrate people without SD access.

(for me with my tinfoil hat that means the system state is frozen and cannot be changed by us at the moment, wait for TNBT)
 
Hmm Because it's part of the game? Shocker, I know.

This kind of 'griefing' (if you consider it that) is fine in my book, it's playing the system. However Founders offers no benefit to the ones that created the situation, so it's difficult to see them as having done anything other than cutting off their nose to spite their face.
 
i would think, that FD reads this and thinks: "oooh, we hit some sore nerves... lets use this to get the community together. quick: freeze the situation and brainstorm for a story event."

meanwhile at FDs plans for a CG are in motion and ideas how to integrate people without SD access.

(for me with my tinfoil hat that means the system state is frozen and cannot be changed by us at the moment, wait for TNBT)

Taking a bug and turning it into a "major story event"? Yeah, sounds like FD.
Remember 2.1 release, and Wyrd CG? Back then, they've tried to turn it into "Unlocking new guns via story event" thing.
Let's not make the same mistakes over and over again. FD should simply lock SD's BGS status at None, and probably evict all the foreign factions from it. It's supposed to be PF's private property, after all.
 
Taking a bug and turning it into a "major story event"? Yeah, sounds like FD.
Remember 2.1 release, and Wyrd CG? Back then, they've tried to turn it into "Unlocking new guns via story event" thing.
Let's not make the same mistakes over and over again. FD should simply lock SD's BGS status at None, and probably evict all the foreign factions from it. It's supposed to be PF's private property, after all.

Lol, it's not a bug bro. It's how the game works, you're just upset that it inconveniences you.
 
Lol, it's not a bug bro. It's how the game works, you're just upset that it inconveniences you.

Well it didn't worked like this until recent patch. And I strongly believe that it's not supposed to work that way in FS.
As was stated many times: access to FS is something we have every right to be entitled to - either by paying for it or by acquiring Elite rank. If we don't have access to it due to some "game feature", then we have every right to consider such feature a bug. Which we do.
 
First off Wenkman, i am not picking on your post, but using it as an example of why we need a really Idiot's guide to BGS. I have tried to read the links posted on here for the BGS, but find myself more confused now than i was before i started. I am personally keen to kick Jamison back into operating mode, but i don't know if what i am doing by BH everything bar the PF, is the thing to do? I might be making things worse.

In the Real World if a country/state/county has a problem it usually explains itself pretty well in what it needs to rectify the problem....So on that thinking why can't the Stations news reports come out clearly and state something along these lines " The system/Station is in Lockdown because we have some .......... (Insert problem)" To help the System/Station return to normal we ask for all cmdrs to ........... (Insert solution)?

Really Fdev, is that to much to ask, instead we get a minefield of gobbledegook in the BGS threads, and cryptic messages in the Station news?

Then outside we have Cmdrs clearly raising hell inside the "No Fire Zone" without ste station doing naff all! I actually don't have an issue with what they are doing, it's their way of playing, i don't like it, but i try to get around the way they play. I would just like the game to be true to itself and a No Fire Zone actually mean a No         Fire Zone, somewhere safe for us non combat players to escape to.

If you are one of the Cmdrs who were reakin havoc outside Jamison last night, why don't you give us cmdrs time to strike up a chat? I remember the warnings that i used to have in this game when interdicted by a another Cmdr.

Anyway if someone who has the time can explain to me in 'Forrest Gump style' the BGS behind the lockdown at Shinrarta then i would be wholly greatful.

This.
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and your source for knowing it's not a bug for definite is???

I am all ears awaiting your confirmation?

Because lockdown works this way. Thus the game is operating within the expected parameters as set by the developers, which I might have to remind people, doesn't include anyone present despite how strongly any of you might think otherwise.

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Well it didn't worked like this until recent patch. And I strongly believe that it's not supposed to work that way in FS.
As was stated many times: access to FS is something we have every right to be entitled to - either by paying for it or by acquiring Elite rank. If we don't have access to it due to some "game feature", then we have every right to consider such feature a bug. Which we do.

Fun fact, when a community goal got locked down, the devs responded within a day or two and stated that was an unintended effect of the game mechanics. If it really is a bug as you insist, where's the Dev response stating as such? Hmm?
 
Have to admit I'm totally baffled by the rage here. Backers got access to Founder's. Everybody still has access to it, it's just that some of the facilities are currently unavailable due to the state that the relevant faction are in. However it's a system in the game with stations, factions etc and as such, is open to the same background simulation actions as any other system. Can I assume that everybody who is unhappy about this would be OK with missions being completely removed from the system since they're one of the main drivers of BGS activity?

It honestly never even entered my head that anybody would expect Founders to be somehow immune from any BGS effects, they are part of the game and can be removed (in the case that they are undesirable, such as a lockdown) by playing the game. I'm even more amazed that considering everybody who has access to the system is either a backer or has Elite rank in at least one category, so few people seemed to know what was going on, or how to resolve it.
 
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Because lockdown works this way. Thus the game is operating within the expected parameters as set by the developers, which I might have to remind people, doesn't include anyone present despite how strongly any of you might think otherwise.

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Fun fact, when a community goal got locked down, the devs responded within a day or two and stated that was an unintended effect of the game mechanics. If it really is a bug as you insist, where's the Dev response stating as such? Hmm?

If you read my post on this thread you will find i am one of the very Confused players about this and the whole damn BGS. I am after facts about whta Me Personally can do to help get SD back online again. If it is a Bug, then i am wasting my time and all my rep with the factions i am allied with at SD by killing their ships in the AB3 HazRes.

or

If it is an intended BGS, then am i doing the right thing by killin everything but the Pilots Federation ships, doing missions for the PF.

I just want to understand the BGS in a simplistic way, as this lockdown is affecting me and my game play (My Base for ships is in SD/JM), although i can move ships around, my handy engineered module swapping is somewhat hindered.

I am after FACTS Divine, so that's why i am asking.
 
If you read my post on this thread you will find i am one of the very Confused players about this and the whole damn BGS. I am after facts about whta Me Personally can do to help get SD back online again. If it is a Bug, then i am wasting my time and all my rep with the factions i am allied with at SD by killing their ships in the AB3 HazRes.

or

If it is an intended BGS, then am i doing the right thing by killin everything but the Pilots Federation ships, doing missions for the PF.

I just want to understand the BGS in a simplistic way, as this lockdown is affecting me and my game play (My Base for ships is in SD/JM), although i can move ships around, my handy engineered module swapping is somewhat hindered.

I am after FACTS Divine, so that's why i am asking.

Bounty hunt, as others have said. The same as you would do to remove a lockdown state in any other system, for any other faction.
 
Hmm Because it's part of the game? Shocker, I know.

FD should just allow permits to be taken away, and if you want them back have to earn them again. simples.
For the Founders one, imo once we go below at cordial, or at least neutral with the PF then we lose the founders permit (same with the alioth one with the alliance and the Achenar one with Empire and sol one with federation etc etc etc)

in any permit system we are their at the issuers pleasure.... obviously they need to be earnable again / given back after a sufficient cooldown.
but much like how a station will sit there and let a player blow up other ships unoppsed on their own doorstep, it is clear parts of the game still do not work as (i suspect) its intended.

I have no issue with the BGS being "played" at all... but logic needs to prevail and the pilots federation IS kind of a big deal in Elite lore.
I could not care less about loss of "stuff" i am "entitled" too however, As i see it i am entitled to nothing....

so i think my concern with the lockdown is from a different place than many others in this thread.
 
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