Jameson memorial outfitting has gone !

Spiridon

Spiridon
Wasp0 said:
Have a member of the SDC as a forum Mod....Errr WHAT????


If that happens i am off to NMS where i can play in a Pink sky and have fluffy animals to squeak at me and destroy bright blue flowers and huge Gold Mountains
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Until someone finds a way to stack all the blue flowers in a pot under a gold mountain, upon which all the fluffy animals will lose their fur and refuse to move. Griefing in NMS.
 

Comrade Error

Comrade Error
WillFrog said:
Dunno, I wasn't around, but that's what was described in post #315.
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Ah well if that's the case then yea, I agree.

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veryinky said:
So are system permits; the mechanism to ban players from certain systems is already in the game. Simply enforce a code of conduct tied to each permit.
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The only code of conduct required for founders is an Elite rating.
 
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Eloy

Eloy
I wanted to hunt down wanted ships in Shinrarta Dezra yesterday but when entering the Nav Beacon I was scanned and immediately attacked by a fierce NPC-FdL.
Forgot I had a bounty on my head because I abandoned a mission in Sothis a few days ago. :D So I gave up that idea and interdicted some wanteds in SC.
Fun but in numbers a hard way to help Jameson Memorial ...
 
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jimbeau1571

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mitchella35 said:
This. Specifically the efforts taken to lockdown a system. I actually don't know how much effort it takes to lock down a system, but it seems a relatively small amount compared with the requirement to end or lift the lockdown. Of course there's no way to gauge in-game the effect you're having, so that could just be perception, but it was down for what, 5 days? 5 days of people trying to reverse it for a minority that forced it into lockdown seems disproportionate. It seems like the balance between lockdown and normal states needs tweaking a bit so the tug of war is a little less uneven. Though as I said, without actual metrics, this could just be perception. I've handed in over 40 million in bounties in the last 2 days or so and found a few different sites wherein I could get the gear I wanted. Inconvenient, but it's the reason behind forcing it into lockdown that's unpalatable given that there's no wider consequence as the lockdown cannot effect any meaningful change in the system state, so the only purpose was to remove the services/convenience. That's the ultimate problem, that level/style of PVP adds nothing to the game and detracts for a large number of people. It's spite sadly, nothing more, nothing less. If you can't effect any change in ownership/government/powerplay etc. to the system, then locking down the system is an act of spite and, to me, isn't appropriate on that scale. Locking down the station is fine, people can find elsewhere to get equipment, it's an inconvenience, but the reason behind it is more disturbing in an MMO as there isn't anything to gain by it.

Hulkageddon in EvE felt like spite for the people who lost their ships, but there was definitely something to gain behind that for the perpetrators. Killing all those miners over a month or so of game time spiked the prices of minerals by a significant margin and the perpetrators made a massive profit. Oh sure, it was dressed up as "murder the carebears", but the motive behind it was much more nuanced than what was presented, and I have respect for that. This is not that, it's petty and spiteful and I really don't like that. Either allow meaningful changes to the system-state, or remove the ability to change the state. I'm much more in favour of the former. Changing the state could allow the system to change hands and the PF could then setup missions to take the system back etc. and could actually ADD gameplay instead of this....
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No actions have an effect on lifting Lockdown. Michael Brooks.
 

cygnusa

cygnusa
Last night I was able to purchase the 7A thrusters that I couldn't get at Jameson Memorial the night before. The outfitter was open around 10pm EST. Sounds like its on lockdown again?
 

jimbeau1571

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Mad Mike said:
IF this is what they are doing then surely that has to be considered exploiting / indirectly griefing.
I DONT think founders should be immune from the BGS BUT I DO think we should be able to get our permit revoked

I DONT think those playing the BGS should be punished, but I DO think if the above is true that is proper lame, and on a par with cheating..... and if any of the players doing it ever moaned about groups / combat logging well they should have their accounts closed for hypocritical crimes against humanity (joking) but its the perfect example of worthy members of the hellgroup FD talked about that was locked out of the BGS and pitched all likeminded folk together.

1 fix for it however could be a cooldown before we are allowed a new sidewinder..... no one should be getting through one every few minutes so if a player gets through more than 3 in 10 mins then they should have a cooldown before being allowed an other, and continual claims on insurance - ie abusive far more than would happen in even pvp play, needs to get insurance removal imo.
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The delay would have to be days. the BGS runs continually in the 'Background', but is then calculated as a total once per day, commonly referred to as the 'Tick'.
So an hour delay would serve no purpose. Multiple accounts, they could just roll through them as they wait out the hour to return to the starter account.
 

Wasp0

Wasp0
cygnusa said:
Last night I was able to purchase the 7A thrusters that I couldn't get at Jameson Memorial the night before. The outfitter was open around 10pm EST. Sounds like its on lockdown again?
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Nope, sat in Jameson right now in outfitting, and just accepted 3 missions.
 

mitchella35

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jimbeau1571 said:
No actions have an effect on lifting Lockdown. Michael Brooks.
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There is conflicting information given on this. That said, the table you are referring to makes it clear that no actions have an effect on INFLUENCE of factions while the system is in lockdown. Which is the whole point of lockdown and makes sense. To prevent the minor faction losing influence (something that is impossible in Shinrarta as the PF can never be displaced from the system, which makes the whole thing kinda pointless except as a trolling exercise), nowhere did Michael say that you cannot expedite the end of the lockdown period.

In fact, here's a post by the same Dev, flat contradicting the quote you're paraphrasing.

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=97577&page=42&p=1691696#post1691696

Some definite clarification and a final answer would be nice, likewise on whether SD should be able to enter the lockdown state or otherwise. It would be interesting for the metrics on how long it takes to force the system into lockdown as well versus the effort needed to remove the lockdown as previously requested as the appearance is that there is a disparity between effort required for either outcome. Though that could just be because it feels longer when you're trying to end it and could have taken just as long to force into that state for all I know.
 
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