Jameson memorial outfitting has gone !

1. Get security clearance.
2. Go to work, get pass security gate.
3. Shoot up the place.
4. Drive car through the building which insures you and your car.
5. Get shot up.
6. "Toss a couple bills in the general direction of the damage to pay a fine, get new car from people you just shot at".

Yeah, no. Doing something very stupid should have very severe consequences. Shoot up Shinrarta Dezhra and you should be kicked out of the Pilot's Federation with all that entails, loss of Shinrarta Dezhra permit, loss of all Pilot Federation ranks and loss of all insurance.

Shoot up Sol? Loss of all federation rank down to recruit(0), all fed ships that you're not currently piloting get repossessed. As long as you pilot a fed ship and are within fed territory you will be continually interdicted by fed assault fleets.

Shoot up Achenar? Loss of all imperial rank down to serf(0), all imperial ships that you're not currently piloting get repossessed. As long as you pilot an imp ship and are within imp territory you will be continually interdicted by imp assault fleets.

Shoot up Alioth? Loss of Alioth permit. Chance of a new replacement permit being spawned is now 1% of normal.


^^ This.
 
1. Get security clearance.
2. Go to work, get pass security gate.
3. Shoot up the place.
4. Drive car through the building which insures you and your car.
5. Get shot up.
6. "Toss a couple bills in the general direction of the damage to pay a fine, get new car from people you just shot at".

Yeah, no. Doing something very stupid should have very severe consequences. Shoot up Shinrarta Dezhra and you should be kicked out of the Pilot's Federation with all that entails, loss of Shinrarta Dezhra permit, loss of all Pilot Federation ranks and loss of all insurance.

Shoot up Sol? Loss of all federation rank down to recruit(0), all fed ships that you're not currently piloting get repossessed. As long as you pilot a fed ship and are within fed territory you will be continually interdicted by fed assault fleets.

Shoot up Achenar? Loss of all imperial rank down to serf(0), all imperial ships that you're not currently piloting get repossessed. As long as you pilot an imp ship and are within imp territory you will be continually interdicted by imp assault fleets.

Shoot up Alioth? Loss of Alioth permit. Chance of a new replacement permit being spawned is now 1% of normal.

This is entirely under the assumption that FDev would actually code the game for the PF to be a reactionary entity. Considering that neither the Empire, the Alliance, nor the Federation directly react to commanders assaulting any of their assets in any negative way beyond a fine or bounty, per game mechanics, the PF wouldn't either.

Building up the mechanic for them to react in such a way opens an entire Pandora's level box of things that need to be considered across the entire game. IE: Not something FDev is going to work on right now considering that they're finalizing the current patch and have probably already begun work on the next with a strict set of guidelines and items that need to be built, coded, tested and then released.

Until then. Jameson can be attacked. Players can shut down CGs if they want to (and can mass a large enough response force) and pretty much do whatever they want unimpeded and it is a legit part of game mechanics, regardless of which faction it is affecting.
 
Be careful in Shinrarta Dezhra, some players are griefing again, a so called CMDR ..... interdict my unshielded anaconda trader and start shooting at me without warning or anything...
 
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there is so much awkward in your post:

  • naming/shaming
  • unshielded trader
  • trader in shinrarta
  • in open
Mhmhm i don't follow you...

I'm naming a griefer to prevent people to get rekt

I like to optimise my jumprange and my capacity

It's where i've got all my ships

I like to talk to people and have interaction.

Do i need to justify myself more? =) you're disdainful pal.
 
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Mhmhm i don't follow you...

I'm naming a griefer to prevent people to get rekt

I like to optimise my jumprange and my capacity

It's where i've got all my ships

I like to talk to people and have interaction.

Do i need to justify myself more? =)

not at all, all good and well.

your post just contained some "triggers" for active-discussion :)
 
Be careful in Shinrarta Dezhra, some players are griefing again, a so called CMDR [redacted] interdict my unshielded anaconda trader and start shooting at me without warning or anything...

Interdicting a ship in open and shooting at it is not griefing. You may think it's somewhat lame since you were obviously no threat (and I would agree) but it's not griefing.

Do i need to justify myself more?

You're asking the wrong question mate. It should be 'does he need to justify himself more?'

Same answer though. Don't misunderstand me, I'm not saying you need to like it but you do need to accept it.

While I'm happy to have put in 8 mill or so in bounties in the last 24hrs, everyone else now hates me. :(

Well obviously nobody wants to actually be running missions in Founder's anyway (since this thread includes numerous calls for it to be completely removed from the BGS and the missions are the primary drivers of... yeah you guessed it, the BGS) so it's all good. Right? :D
 
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Be careful in Shinrarta Dezhra, some players are griefing again, a so called CMDR ..... interdict my unshielded anaconda trader and start shooting at me without warning or anything...

This statement is wrong on so many levels,I can't even..

Well obviously nobody want to actually be running missions in Founder's anyway (since this thread includes numerous calls for it to be completely removed from the BGS and the missions are the primary drivers of... yeah you guessed it, the BGS) so it's all good. Right?
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Lol,good point. :)
 
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Interdicting a ship in open and shooting at it is not griefing. You may think it's somewhat lame since you were obviously no threat (and I would agree) but it's not griefing.



You're asking the wrong question mate. It should be 'does he need to justify himself more?'

Same answer though. Don't misunderstand me, I'm not saying you need to like it but you do need to accept it.



Well obviously nobody want to actually be running missions in Founder's anyway (since this thread includes numerous calls for it to be completely removed from the BGS and the missions are the primary drivers of... yeah you guessed it, the BGS) so it's all good. Right? :D

C'mon, Red, that's a little disengenuous. ;)

The other powers in Shinrarta offer missions, and other than the Dark Wheel are based in neighbouring systems. My favourite is los chupachubs no los chubbychumps gnnn los copacabanas... Oh sod it. I'm going to play Elite.
 
Well Red Anders, in two days at shinrarta i get rekt at the exit of a station without warning and in the system without warning, some people in shinrarta are clearly trying to lockdown a system who can't go in war state in order to block the outfitting with no reason except trolling hundred of peoples, i kind of call that Grief. I understand why " naming / shaming " is not a good thing, but those guys are ruining the fun of hundred of people in all impunity....

Maybe i miss something but that how i see it.
 
You see, you say that, but if that were true then the reply on this thread:

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/292359-Pending-Lockdown-at-Shinrarta-Dezhra

Would have been not a bug, instead of passing on. Not that that is exactly 100% confirmation that the behaviour is intended or otherwise, but there is a definite ambiguity there that your rudeness doesn't disguise. Either way, there needs to be clarification from FD on if this is intended or shouldn't be possible.

Ok, so I'm not trying to be rude, but I am being blunt, which easily comes across as rudeness.
With that out of the way, all that means is he doesn't know for sure and doesn't want to be the one that effs up and says the wrong thing on a subject people are quite animated about. Basically it's a standard customer support way of getting people to shut up and move on. Customer support don't know how the game is supposed to run, they just filter things and manage stuff that's actually on a known bugs list and help keep customers happy, so until a community manager or a developer actually comes out and says it's a bug, then it's not a bug because it's how the game operates.
Hopefully I didn't come across as rude this time but eh oh well if I did.
 
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C'mon, Red, that's a little disengenuous. ;)

The other powers in Shinrarta offer missions, and other than the Dark Wheel are based in neighbouring systems. My favourite is los chupachubs no los chubbychumps gnnn los copacabanas... Oh sod it. I'm going to play Elite.

Oh hush you, don't spoil my fun :D

Well Red Anders, in two days at shinrarta i get rekt at the exit of a station without warning and in the system without warning, some people in shinrarta are clearly trying to lockdown a system who can't go in war state in order to block the outfitting with no reason except trolling hundred of peoples, i kind of call that Grief. I understand why " naming / shaming " is not a good thing, but those guys are ruining the fun of hundred of people in all impunity....

Maybe i miss something but that how i see it.

It's time for a graphic I think. This is how I see it - your new friend in the cutter or whatever is in the small circle. ;)

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Ok so i clearly missing something here, can you give me your definition of griefing? For me after proper research on this particular word (i'm french so, maybe i miss something about this english word) but the definition is that :

"Griefing is the act of chronically causing consternation to other members of an online community, or more specifically, intentionally disrupting the immersion of another player in their gameplay."

or even

"Purposefully shooting or otherwise sabotaging your teammates in an online game."

And that's exactly what they doing no?
 
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