The Star Citizen Thread v5
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Ok Hi-Ban Be honest. Do you believe this will turn out to be the game Chris Roberts promised?
Perhaps you or Bri can explain how telling people they need their heads examined constitutes an attempt at discussion?
So this is your justification. It's using the logical fallacy of "if this rare occurrence happens than it maybe happening here too" when there is zero evidence of a scam. It's the kind of logic construct used to justify bigotry and racism. I mean I would think that some kind of verifiable evidence would be needed to even begin to speculate that CIG has been running a scam for the past 4+ years. I mean come on, OBJECTIVITY!
Erm, the whole Star Marine fiasco, ToS changes, originally planned release in 2014 with no new publically outlined timeline for a "1.0" release whatsoever (while working on backer handouts al the while), selling cocktail mixing mini games and NPC passenger health simulations for some 400$+ while no AI NPC is to be seen anywhere?
The objective thing to do in your opinion, seems to be sticking your head into the sand rather than questioning both competence and honesty of the involved management? Or rather ridicule those that do question them?
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Please keep it factual.
It's five years, in thirteen days we'll be celebrating entering the sixth year of star citizens decent into comedy development hell.
I think that is the problem with these discussions. We've seen, and presented, piles and piles and piles of evidence that strongly suggests CIG/CR is flat-out dishonest towards backers, lying about progress, faking progress, making claims they know they cant deliver, lie about making such claims, replacing them with other made-up claims, etc.
The question most here are asking is this:"Given how hopeless the development of SC has been for so many years, can it really be that CR is that incompetent, or is there some other explanation?"
Some here believe that CR is really that incompetent, despite meaning well. Others believe noone can be that stupid, so there has to be some kind of intentional scamming involved. Others seem to be completely oblivious of any kind of issue in any way, and seem puzzled by what everyone else is talking about. While the first two have some common ground to discuss, the third has such a wildly different perspective that its very hard to have any kind of meaningful debate. Anyway, just got the weekly CIG email about citizencon, so buckle up and lets see whats what.
ps. please dont start any 'if you are skeptical of CIG you're a bit like a racist' rhetoric, lets keep that to the CIG forums/reddit.
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That's no different to you saying it can't be scam because no one came forward.
Most of the comments revolve around the 3.0 demo being staged in a way that misrepresents what was legitimately functioning.
I don't think it is a scam but the tos change is well dodgy. I certainly think it's verifiable evidence that something is wrong. Personally I think that's just terrible management rather than deliberate misdeeds.
CR has made it clear it's been a catalogue of errors so far and that is down to no-one but him.
ETA the comedy tos was the tipping point for me.
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I got scammed by a bloke in New York selling CDs for $5 and to be honest it was worth it just for the experience and the moment afterwards.
That's not Genuine Roberts fault though. It's taken six years to get some studios together, and get some marketing materials ready. Development itself only started last week, give the poor guy a chance!
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After the handling of Star Marine and the ToS change - at the very latest - Star Citizen's management strongly reeks of deliberate dishonesty at worst and willful disguise of facts at best. On top of incompetence.
Have some rep for your honesty. [smile]
Eh, what? I was simply saying that it was absolutely possible for companies to fail due to mismanagement or fraud as it's happened before - and, I'll add, to bigger companies than CIG. Companies who's business model involves scamming is relatively rare, I'll grant that, but small companies that fail due to mismanagement are common.
Fractally wrong, mate. Did you even read what I wrote?
Objectivity is something that you are missing: Chris Roberts already admitted costly management failures at CIG in the Kotaku interview. This is bad for backers, but not a scam, for sure... (see my first point again)
What would be scammy is if CIG fish for more money knowing that they cannot deliver. This is yet to be decided, but things aren't looking great. CIG are absolutely not transparent with how backer money has been spent which really doesn't help.
EDIT: A good number of years ago I got scammed when trying to buy a laptop. I felt like it was my fault, and this took a long time to get over. I'm a lot more careful now.
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Scam or no scam, the outcome is still the same.
Oh I know this but I do like to read differing opinions, while filtering out the conspiratorial bull , and re-evaluate what I may consider to be my own subjective truths. This allows me to see both sides of a given argument and hone in on what is most likely the truth so that I can grow as a human instead of being marred in my own fantasy world.
Yes I do believe, in time, that the game Chris Roberts promised will be realized in one form or another. See sensible people understand that things may have to change and that it takes experimentation to advance things.
It was an attempt for a reality check; to start using objectivity instead of all of this subjectively negative crap that gets posted here day in and day out by the same handful of people. These same people who will strike down alternative explanations that don't conform to their own subjective points of view. Who love to blow up the smallest things into overarching conspiracies of scams (not just the monetary type).
Tescos problems with accountancy spring to mind. They haven't failed but an instance of a small number of people causing the company massive harm.
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