So you want to know about the Formidine Rift? (Part 3)

[Zeeman]

Time to head back for resupply and maybe do a bit of other things. I've found quite a few ELWs I want my name on, well more I want the extra credits for them, and I've been out there for a few weeks with nothing but bupkiss and perhaps a little sanity lost. I'm also interested in my nav panel, seeing if it will continue to act up on the way back. I had some more interesting nav panel issues that didn't match the ones previously shown but - could just be a bug related to SLI.

So heading back for resupply, repairs or maybe a whole different ship. The DBX is a fine bird, but very limited.

Also, don't want to be caught out here when 2.2 drops with no shields and no weapons.

EDIT: I tried selling exploration data before to an Engineer but I didn't seen an option to sell it. Did I miss something? Or do I need to do something to get that option?

Same here. Though I'm not too stressed about weapons. Not yet, anyway...

I'm actually starting to question this whole mystery, and if we are actually even looking in the right place. I'm also starting to think what we are actually looking for is a pattern, rather than anything we can really see and observe. I've spent so much time staring at the skybox over the last 6 weeks, that I could probably draw it pixel by pixel in MS paint. I've gone up, down, East, West, out to the edge and back again, looped a few loops... The only thing that really stood out was the galaxy looked a bit "darker" looking towards H&S from the far side, and the space clouds look remarkably like an angry wasp in flight. Or a butterfly. Or... Someone in their underwear... The results usually predictably align with the number of coffees (or not) I've had that day.


Z...

 

[FuriousMeow]

Same here. Though I'm not too stressed about weapons. Not yet, anyway...

I'm actually starting to question this whole mystery, and if we are actually even looking in the right place. I'm also starting to thing what we are actually looking for is a pattern, rather than anything we can really see and observe. I've spent so much time staring at the skybox over the last 6 weeks, that I could probably draw it pixel by pixel in MS paint. I've gone up, down, East, West, out tot he edge and back again, looped a few loops... The only thing that really stood out was the galaxy looked a bit "darker" looking towards H&S from the far side, and the space clouds look remarkably like an angry wasp in flight. Or a butterfly. Ot... someone in their underwear... The results usually predictably align the the numbe rof coffees (or not) I've had that day.


Z...

I completely agree. I'm not sure what kind of pattern, or what kind of possibly repetitive data, we are looking for but that seems to be the thing that is going to be the kick off point at least.

My DBX is also down to 74% hull, I brought a repair module but its not doing anything for the hull itself so time to bring 'er home and get re-acquainted with bubble life!

 

[Zeeman]

I completely agree. I'm not sure what kind of pattern, or what kind of possibly repetitive data, we are looking for but that seems to be the thing that is going to be the kick off point at least.

My DBX is also down to 74% hull, I brought a repair module but its not doing anything for the hull itself so time to bring 'er home and get re-acquainted with bubble life!

I'd actually lov eit if they gave us coloured book marks (ie - we can choose the colour) and then allow us to filter said bookmarks. All my bookmarks get in each others way now, and it gets too hard to distinguish anything without clearing them. which, of course, I don't want to do as I have a lot of system noted I want to return to at a later stage...

The other thing is, I do wonder if we are a galactic arm too far out. Just thinking back to when the book was written, and back to Gamma... Just a few thousand lightyears was considered a long way back then. I'm easily soaking up 3k+ LY/hr in buckyball mode, but nothing like that was possible in Gamma... I also can't remember when 1000k LY plotting pooped up, but pretty sure it was after full release, so, considering the limits of 100LY plots, and 25LY jump ranges being the peak for most...

Z...

 

[FuriousMeow]

I'd actually lov eit if they gave us coloured book marks (ie - we can choose the colour) and then allow us to filter said bookmarks. All my bookmarks get in each others way now, and it gets too hard to distinguish anything without clearing them. which, of course, I don't want to do as I have a lot of system noted I want to return to at a later stage...

The other thing is, I do wonder if we are a galactic arm too far out. Just thinking back to when the book was written, and back to Gamma... Just a few thousand lightyears was considered a long way back then. I'm easily soaking up 3k+ LY/hr in buckyball mode, but nothing like that was possible in Gamma... I also can't remember when 1000k LY plotting pooped up, but pretty sure it was after full release, so, considering the limits of 100LY plots, and 25LY jump ranges being the peak for most...

Z...

The bookmark system is currently limited though, so I couldn't use different colors really. What I mean is, I tried to bookmark as much of a trip as I could but then I hit the limit and I couldn't bookmark anymore. I guess if using only a few - I think the limit is 50 but it might be a little more or less - then colors would be okay to filter if using not so many. I get what you're saying though, and it would be a neat addition at some point.

As far as the arm/location - I was actually typing up a response about that previously but then shrugged because of the "I have no idea factor and Drew said it was about where he would place it" so I just kind of petered out on that one. It does seem it could be where we are looking, or it could be outside the outer arm or closer in. Not a clue at all from me.

Although, looking at the GalMap and where I'm at right now - after about 2.5KLY jumps in and STILL not quite a the Perseus Arm... I think the area is right. It's just a very small area within the huge gap between the Perseus arm and the Outer arm. I was very close to where the stars were very sparse - I mean I was in it but I was trying to get more centered with the R-R line but couldn't -and I know my NavPanel thing is questionable but it was going far more glitchy when I was in that area than it has for the past 40 jumps. Actually, not much except for an odd less than symbol being off has happened since 60 jumps ago. Glass of salt of course, still could very well be a SLI related glitch.

 

[Zeeman]

The bookmark system is currently limited though, so I couldn't use different colors really. What I mean is, I tried to bookmark as much of a trip as I could but then I hit the limit and I couldn't bookmark anymore. I guess if using only a few - I think the limit is 50 but it might be a little more or less - then colors would be okay to filter if using not so many. I get what you're saying though, and it would be a neat addition at some point.

As far as the arm/location - I was actually typing up a response about that previously but then shrugged because of the "I have no idea factor and Drew said it was about where he would place it" so I just kind of petered out on that one. It does seem it could be where we are looking, or it could be outside the outer arm or closer in. Not a clue at all from me.

Well, he said "broadly". It's kinda like pointing to a mouth on a face, and saying that's where the nose is, and being told "that's broadly correct".

But I also keep coming to, in my mind, to th eoriginal clues int he book. "the edge of the galactic arm" - which arm? Generally, when people speak like that, they are talking of the "arm" they are on. For example - "go to the end of the street" doesn't mean the next street over, it means the one you are currently on.

Then, of course, there is the who conflict of the old woman's comments, one saying that whatever it is is "in" the rift, the other saying it's ont he other side of the rift. The stars thin out well enough between the Cygnus and Perseus arms that it would be tricky to find a way across for a Gamma specced ship. FD probably weren't banking on "light as a feather shieldless" exploration builds when they started this thing - everything hints at us needing to be armed, we know better now, sure, but then? In Gamma?

This is the lightest weight Cobra build I would have made to go to the Rift, in the mind set I would have had back them (as much as I can remember that), though probably would have equipped A rated shields, to be honest...

24LY jump range, and I suspect this is what FD would have guessed most of us would use, Asps and Anacondas being too pricey for most back then (though can't remembe rhwen the Anaconda was released, actually, though pretty sure the Asp was available in Gamma...).

Now think of how long it was take just to get to the first crossing between arms in that build.

I think the closest edge of the "rift" region in our maps is, quite possible, the furthest point we should be searching.

Z...

 

[[Diplomacy] Carnegie]

Well, he said "broadly". It's kinda like pointing to a mouth on a face, and saying that's where the nose is, and being told "that's broadly correct".

But I also keep coming to, in my mind, to th eoriginal clues int he book. "the edge of the galactic arm" - which arm? Generally, when people speak like that, they are talking of the "arm" they are on. For example - "go to the end of the street" doesn't mean the next street over, it means the one you are currently on.

Then, of course, there is the who conflict of the old woman's comments, one saying that whatever it is is "in" the rift, the other saying it's ont he other side of the rift. The stars thin out well enough between the Cygnus and Perseus arms that it would be tricky to find a way across for a Gamma specced ship. FD probably weren't banking on "light as a feather shieldless" exploration builds when they started this thing - everything hints at us needing to be armed, we know better now, sure, but then? In Gamma?

This is the lightest weight Cobra build I would have made to go to the Rift, in the mind set I would have had back them (as much as I can remember that), though probably would have equipped A rated shields, to be honest...

24LY jump range, and I suspect this is what FD would have guessed most of us would use, Asps and Anacondas being too pricey for most back then (though can't remembe rhwen the Anaconda was released, actually, though pretty sure the Asp was available in Gamma...).

Now think of how long it was take just to get to the first crossing between arms in that build.

I think the closest edge of the "rift" region in our maps is, quite possible, the furthest point we should be searching.

Z...

We were told it was 'broadly correct' and then we were given EAFOTS as a clue - I think it's unlikely we're looking at completely the wrong arm.

 

[Zeeman]

We were told it was 'broadly correct' and then we were given EAFOTS as a clue - I think it's unlikely we're looking at completely the wrong arm.

Perhaps, but Eafots, the closest areas, is kind where I am thinking... anyway, must consult the galactic map...

Basically, the fact that so many of us, some very smart people included, have all found pretty much nothing... Just tells me we'renot quite in the right area is all.

Z..

 

[[Diplomacy] Carnegie]

Perhaps, but Eafots, the closest areas, is kind where I am thinking... anyway, must consult the galactic map...

Basically, the fact that so many of us, some very smart people included, have all found pretty much nothing... Just tells me we'renot quite in the right area is all.

Z..

That just tells me we don't know what we're looking for

 

[FuriousMeow]

That just tells me we don't know what we're looking for

That's the big thing. A planet? Multiple planets? A nebula that is somehow blocked out in every direction except one? A nebula that is normally orange and shifts to pink between 2AM and 2:01AM GMT? Are we looking for twinkle twinkle little stars at specific times and order that will lead us to something? Or is it simply a description in GalMap properties for a star or planet that hints at something? or etc?

We've basically told where to hunt and why to hunt but not even a slightest clue as to what to hunt. And that would be easier if it was like just a stoat, weasel, wild boar and wild rabbit preservation. You have a pretty general idea of what to look for. Instead we're hunting the entire zoology plus unknowns.

 

[Jaiotu]

That just tells me we don't know what we're looking for

Right now ... I'm fixated on Cassiopeia A. Why isn't the strongest radio source in our galaxy included in Elite: Dangerous? Nobody has found it yet, have they?

This should be out there SOMEWHERE and right in the vicinity of the Rift:

 

[hammerreborn]

Right now ... I'm fixated on Cassiopeia A. Why isn't the strongest radio source in our galaxy included in Elite: Dangerous? Nobody has found it yet, have they?

This should be out there SOMEWHERE and right in the vicinity of the Rift:

http://chandra.harvard.edu/photo/1999/0237/0237_comp.jpg

What would we be jumping to since the star is gone?

 

[Jaiotu]

What would we be jumping to since the star is gone?

No. For one thing, the position of stars in the Elite Dangerous galaxy is based on their positions as observed from Earth in 2016. The other problem is that it takes about 30,000 years after a supernova for the resulting debris to dissipate into the stellar medium. Even in the year 3302 Cas A would only be about halfway through that process. There should still be a visible cloud of star stuff enveloping Cas A in a 5 to 10 light-year radius. At the center of this cloud there should be either a black hole, neutron star or white dwarf. The Chandra X-Ray Observatory's first observation after coming online was Cas A and it found a compact object consistent with either a black hole or neutron star. It should still be there. Somewhere.

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What would we be jumping to since the star is gone?

Not gone. Just collapsed.

 

[Knights of Nee]

Yes: It stands out from the rest of the background and I think everyone seeing it for the first time has questioned if there is some "deeper meaning". If there is a deeper meaning though than it must be one that applies to OUR non-game universe because ... it is real.

So your saying that Thargoids exist in real life?

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They correspond to real world stars.

For example:

http://simbad.u-strasbg.fr/simbad/sim-id?Ident=@6240814&Name=2MASS J00040332+6839167&submit=submit

Check the 'Identifiers' section and you'll see S171 29.

Cheers for that, any reason why I cant find S171 1?

 

[Jaiotu]

So your saying that Thargoids exist in real life?

[alien]

Cheers for that, any reason why I cant find S171 1?

I would venture to guess that the missing Sharpless objects are objects that were initially observed that were later discovered to be anomalies. Just a guess though. There's several of them missing from S171. [where is it]

 

[Spenceuk99]

Spent ages heading out there last night. Further than I've ever gone in my stripped down aspx.


I am still closer to maia than h and s. Lol.

Looks like about 10% of the way there. Ho hum.

At least no one is blowing my ship up. Tried to do 2 missions before this, each one sent a fdl after me and both of the buggers kept arriving at the same time.

Cost me 8 mil in rebuys before I gave up and decided to explore.

 

[Jorki Rasalas]

That's the big thing. A planet? Multiple planets? A nebula that is somehow blocked out in every direction except one? A nebula that is normally orange and shifts to pink between 2AM and 2:01AM GMT? Are we looking for twinkle twinkle little stars at specific times and order that will lead us to something? Or is it simply a description in GalMap properties for a star or planet that hints at something? or etc?

We've basically told where to hunt and why to hunt but not even a slightest clue as to what to hunt. And that would be easier if it was like just a stoat, weasel, wild boar and wild rabbit preservation. You have a pretty general idea of what to look for. Instead we're hunting the entire zoology plus unknowns.

BUT we do know (from Reclamation):
“Whatever it is, it’s something that Galcop, the Imps and the Feds don’t want us to see” and
“Let’s just say there was some serious out there, stuff you wouldn’t believe. No really – no one believed me, said it was all a fabrication. I had no proof you see and they edited my memory afterwards. Ah, it’ll all come back to bite them one day, it’s all there in the Imperial databanks somewhere - and they thought the Thargoids were trouble …”


So... it should be obvious once we've found it, of significance to humanity, something Feds& Imps don't want the general population to know about.


So in my opinion general astronomical 'things', your "planet? Multiple planets? A nebula that is somehow blocked out in every direction except one? A nebula that is normally orange and shifts to pink" just don't match up against those criteria from the old lady
though they might be of interest they dont have the implicit menace.

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Right now ... I'm fixated on Cassiopeia A. Why isn't the strongest radio source in our galaxy included in Elite: Dangerous? Nobody has found it yet, have they?

This should be out there SOMEWHERE and right in the vicinity of the Rift:

http://chandra.harvard.edu/photo/1999/0237/0237_comp.jpg

Has anybody raised this as a bug? Because the alternative might be some form of Dyson sphere around it that is blocking its visibility & that would meet the old lady's criteria. Edit: I meant to imply that the existence of such an advanced species would be perceived to be a potential threat & Feds/Imps would want to conceal their existence.

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No. For one thing, the position of stars in the Elite Dangerous galaxy is based on their positions as observed from Earth in 2016. The other problem is that it takes about 30,000 years after a supernova for the resulting debris to dissipate into the stellar medium. Even in the year 3302 Cas A would only be about halfway through that process. There should still be a visible cloud of star stuff enveloping Cas A in a 5 to 10 light-year radius. At the center of this cloud there should be either a black hole, neutron star or white dwarf. The Chandra X-Ray Observatory's first observation after coming online was Cas A and it found a compact object consistent with either a black hole or neutron star. It should still be there. Somewhere.

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Not gone. Just collapsed.

Presumably now a Neutron star or black hole.

 

[Lonesome Joe]

According to the wiki entry, Cass A "was reported in 1948 by Martin Ryle and Francis Graham-Smith, astronomers at Cambridge". Didn't Salomé/Kahina go to Cambridge at one point...? If I'm remembering that right, it seems very significant.

-Currently trying to find out where Cass A would be exactly in the ED galaxy, but the charts a Google search turn up are fairly unredable to someone of my limited intellect; if someone smarter could post a general location, sector or system name(s) to look around, and it's not too far off my path, I'll go have a look in the area as the last thing I do before I turn back and forget about the Rift.

 

[Legacy_LuckyLuke]

So Groundhog Day

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Right now ... I'm fixated on Cassiopeia A. Why isn't the strongest radio source in our galaxy included in Elite: Dangerous? Nobody has found it yet, have they?

This should be out there SOMEWHERE and right in the vicinity of the Rift:

http://chandra.harvard.edu/photo/1999/0237/0237_comp.jpg

Couldn't you try your GalNet post trick Jaiotu and see if you can get one past FD regarding Cass A?

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I seem to remember in previous posts (or previous threads...) we determined that Cass A might no longer exist in 3302. Then again it could also be a black hole or neutron star by then.

Would the strongest radio signal in the galaxy also be a good source of power? For, you know, an escaped AI?

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Currently trying to find out where Cass A would be exactly in the ED galaxy, but the charts a Google search turn up are fairly unredable to someone of my limited intellect; if someone smarter could post a general location, sector or system name(s) to look around, and it's not too far off my path, I'll go have a look in the area as the last thing I do before I turn back and forget about the Rift.

There are a few links in the OP that should help out with suggested locations.

 

[Jorki Rasalas]

According to the wiki entry, Cass A "was reported in 1948 by Martin Ryle and Francis Graham-Smith, astronomers at Cambridge". Didn't Salomé/Kahina go to Cambridge at one point...? If I'm remembering that right, it seems very significant.

-Currently trying to find out where Cass A would be exactly in the ED galaxy, but the charts a Google search turn up are fairly unredable to someone of my limited intellect; if someone smarter could post a general location, sector or system name(s) to look around, and it's not too far off my path, I'll go have a look in the area as the last thing I do before I turn back and forget about the Rift.

It may, or may not, be significant. All we know is that she landed on Earth at Cambridge Spaceport. I've always viewed that as FD having a bit of fun since they are based in Cambridge. So Kahina might have had the opportunity to go to the Cambridge observatory, or other places nearby, but that is just pure supposition.

 

[Legacy_LuckyLuke]

Found it : https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...-Rift-Part-2?p=3738619&viewfull=1#post3738619

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It may, or may not, be significant. All we know is that she landed on Earth at Cambridge Spaceport. I've always viewed that as FD having a bit of fun since they are based in Cambridge. So Kahina might have had the opportunity to go to the Cambridge observatory, or other places nearby, but that is just pure supposition.

Indeed.