Yaw into roll at the press of a button.

If I understand correctly one can only set the Yaw into roll setting in the controls menu.

Would it not be useful for those without a twist axis joystick to be able to enable and disable the yaw into roll on the fly with the press of a (joystick) button?

That way it would be much easier to use fixed weapons with the help of the yaw into roll feature and you can switch it off when docking or when flying with flight assist off.
It could also be useful to have the yaw into roll feature automatically switching off when you disable flight assist and switching on again when you enable FA.

I think this would improve the handling of the Elite ships quite a lot for many.
 
If you have a twist axis joystick, why not map yaw to the twist axis?

However having yaw into roll as toggleable might be useful for those of us without a twist axis

The other option would be a 'shift' key to switch the roll axis control to yaw momentarily.

I fly with a Xbox pad and don't use yaw at all, but occasionally I wouldn't mind it, for when I'm slightly off target...
 
If you have a twist axis joystick, why not map yaw to the twist axis?

However having yaw into roll as toggleable might be useful for those of us without a twist axis

The other option would be a 'shift' key to switch the roll axis control to yaw momentarily.

I fly with a Xbox pad and don't use yaw at all, but occasionally I wouldn't mind it, for when I'm slightly off target...


Yes, if you have a twist axis joystick there is no problem I am aware off.
But as I said for those having a CH stick or the Thrustmaster Warthog it is.

I came to think about this after this informative vid by Brumster100 about YAW in Elite Dangerous:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FO_I9QGIsBg

After seeing that I thought that the many users of a CH or a Warthog could have the best experience by simply making the Roll into YAW setting toggable (or shiftable) in game. This would make life a lot easier for them and it also would make CH joysticks and even the expensive Warthog a more viable choice for those who are still in the process of buying a joystick for Elite.
 
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If you don't exactly need "Yaw into roll", there is a yaw/roll mode-switch button available: Controls/Flight Rotation/Yaw-Roll-Button. It works in mouse mode absolute pitch/roll, but no in absolute pitch/yaw, so i don't know how well it will work with a joystick.
 
Yes, if you have a twist axis joystick there is no problem I am aware off.
But as I said for those having a CH stick or the Thrustmaster Warthog it is.

I came to think about this after this informative vid by Brumster100 about YAW in Elite Dangerous:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FO_I9QGIsBg

After seeing that I thought that the many users of a CH or a Warthog could have the best experience by simply making the Roll into YAW setting toggable (or shiftable) in game. This would make life a lot easier for them and it also would make CH joysticks and even the expensive Warthog a more viable choice for those who are still in the process of buying a joystick for Elite.

As a Warthog user I have found mapping yaw to the "data management switch" (the little black hat below the trim switch) very effective. With the slow yaw rate in this game I'm not missing an analogue yaw control at all.
 
As a Warthog user I have found mapping yaw to the "data management switch" (the little black hat below the trim switch) very effective. With the slow yaw rate in this game I'm not missing an analogue yaw control at all.


So, you are a Warthog user.
I am very interested.

Many joystick users say they would really miss the twist axis on a joystick.
How is that for you?

I also would like to know what your experience with the Warthog is in general.
Anything you would have liked differently?
 
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So, you are a Warthog user.
I am very interested.

Many joystick users say they would really miss the twist axis on a joystick.
How is that for you?

I also would like to know what your experience with the Warthog is in general.
Anything you would have liked differently?

It is an absolutely incredible stick and throttle... You really can't compare it to anything else on the market. Everything else feels like a toy compared to the warthog... and I've tried most of Saitek's range.

The stick is weighty and incredibly accurate, the buttons require actual force to press. Actually my first week using it my arm and fingers felt really tired at times. But once you get used to it allows real precision. And the buttons feel very reactive. Hmm, its really hard to describe how a stick feels... lol

That said, in flight sims, the lack of twist on the throttle can be a real pain (and is why most warthog users invest in rudder pedals for the most authentic experience) I don't have space for pedals and have found the lack of analogue yaw fairly annoying in my favorite games (rise of flight is my #1). I have occasionally wondered if I should have got a twist yaw stick... It is not an insignificant drawback of the Warthog and its the one (and only) place where I would advise caution before buying one.

I can't say that I would want them to add twist yaw to the Warthog though. That would destroy the purpose of this stick which is to provide THE most realistic flight stick. I honestly can't say there is anything I would change about the stick... I'm really trying to think of what could be improved... ah I got one. The LEDs on the throttle can be dimmed but imo not enough so I mostly turn them off. Also I nearly never split the throttle and the link between the two throttles doesn't feel as indestructible as the rest of the setup, it can flex slightly at times.

Most people spending this much money on a stick are heavily invested in an authentic experience and would probably go all the way and get pedals too. I'm moving house soon and will have space for pedals in my new mancave, so am definitely going to pick some up.

But funnily enough Elite is a different kettle of fish. The rate of yaw is so low (this is a great piece of design imo) that I find a digital yaw input is absolutely fine for this game. I still want those pedals for other games, and will obviously use them in Elite when I have them. But I been very happy with the stick only performance in Elite.

Also, I should mention that the the rebinding software (T.A.R.G.E.T) is really amazing and lets you achieve nearly any control scheme regardless of in game settings. I have mine set up so that the toggle switches on the joystick base toggle my landing gear, cargo scoop, and lights. It's really satisfying to fly into the station and flip the switch down to lower my gear.

So in summary. The warthog is crazy expensive. But I never regretted my purchase. The lack of twist is a serious concern if you are not planning on getting pedals (but less of an issue in Elite specifically). And the shear number of controls that are available on the HOTAS is just mind-boggling I've bound literally every control in Elite to the stick and still have a bunch of unused switches. I have also pre-ordered a rift DK2 and see this being a real boon having everything under tactile touch on the HOTAS as I wouldn't not be able to look at the keyboard while wearing it obviously.

Hope this has helped you out!
 
Nice writeup Crudzilla :) Although I have one question, does it not have rudder buttons on the backside of the throttle? I had a saitek X-somethingorother joystic a few years ago that had this (around when IL-2 was popular) and since then I shy away from twiststicks because it's just so inprecise in comparison.
 
If I understand correctly one can only set the Yaw into roll setting in the controls menu.

Would it not be useful for those without a twist axis joystick to be able to enable and disable the yaw into roll on the fly with the press of a (joystick) button?

That way it would be much easier to use fixed weapons with the help of the yaw into roll feature and you can switch it off when docking or when flying with flight assist off.
It could also be useful to have the yaw into roll feature automatically switching off when you disable flight assist and switching on again when you enable FA.

I think this would improve the handling of the Elite ships quite a lot for many.

It may not mhelp my way of flying but I'd like to try it.

There are quiet a few controls and it wouldbe nice to toggle between some of the flight modes
 
Nice writeup Crudzilla :) Although I have one question, does it not have rudder buttons on the backside of the throttle? I had a saitek X-somethingorother joystic a few years ago that had this (around when IL-2 was popular) and since then I shy away from twiststicks because it's just so inprecise in comparison.

There are no rudder controls on the stick or throttle, because there are no rudder controls an actual AC-10 stick or throttle. I have heard from people who have flown actual AC-10s (on the internets, I don't, unfortunately, mingle with fighter pilots) that it is a pretty accurate representation.

That said, this being a game controller, you can map rudder controls anywhere you like. I map mine to the countermeasure switch on the stick because it falls right under my thumb in my natural grip. But this is a digital input. There are digital inputs you could map yaw to literally all over the HOTAS.

There are a bunch of analogue inputs in other locations too. You could split the throttles and use one for yaw I guess but it seems incredibly unintuitive. There is also a weird lever to the right of the throttle that I have never used in E:D. Finally there is a mouse pointer on the back of the throttle handle. Like the mouse nubin in the middle of old laptop keyboards. That might be your best bet for 'hands on' analogue control. But it's a really small nubbin and seems that it would be har to use in the middle of a dogfight.

Realistically I'd say if you want analogue rudder control with a warthog you are going to want a set of pedals. But, like I said before, digital control is fine for Elite.

You could also just switch between roll and yaw on the main stick with push of a button as suggested in the actual topic of this thread that we've hi-jacked lol. (can't see that setup working for me though)
 
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Thank you Crudzilla for you replies.
You've given me a lot to think about.

You could also just switch between roll and yaw on the main stick with push of a button as suggested in the actual topic of this thread that we've hi-jacked lol.

But is that a fact? It was what I proposed after watching Brumster's video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FO_I9QGIsBg), but I was not aware that you could already map the setting yaw on roll to a button.
 
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If I understand correctly one can only set the Yaw into roll setting in the controls menu.

Would it not be useful for those without a twist axis joystick to be able to enable and disable the yaw into roll on the fly with the press of a (joystick) button?
Maybe I'm missing something, but if you want to press a button to Roll instead of Yawing... why not just have buttons assigned to Roll left/right? Works for me anyway with keyboard+mouse :)
 
I do not miss the twist action of joysticks no. Yaw into roll is something that would be beneficial in atmospheric flight but is useless in space. Ya into roll is cleared on my setup, it serves no purpose unless you want to fly around in space like you are in an atmosphere. Useless for fights.
 
Its an Evil - Joystick for Non-South Paws!

All right handed Joysticks are Evil!

Why cant they make a left handed versions of these high end joysticks.

Us South Paws would pay a 50%+ premium to buy one.

I'm sure if CH or TM made the decision to release one - then they'd pretty much much clean up from dedicated South-Paw Sim enthusiasts.
 
Thank you Crudzilla for you replies.
You've given me a lot to think about.



But is that a fact? It was what I proposed after watching Brumster's video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FO_I9QGIsBg), but I was not aware that you could already map the setting yaw on roll to a button.

I think there is a command in the game to toggle yaw to roll in the game (I'm at works and can't check atm). Just to clarify, this means that at low x-axis inputs the ship will yaw and as you move the stick further it will roll. I personally find that very imprecise though.

I think there might also be a toggle that swtiches the x axis of your joystick between between yaw and roll. ie not a yaw into roll but yaw OR roll. If not I'm sure you could set it up in the T.A.R.G.E.T. software.

Personally I require roll and yaw on completely separate controls as I often yaw while rolling. Espcially when chasing, I will be rolling to match my prey's roll while yawing to fine tune my aim and keep him/her in my sights. Yaw on the countermeasure hat switch is working out very well for this.

I'll post an image of my full layout when I get home.
 
I would be interested to see your layout. I have just dragged out my Warthog setup that I used for flight sims and am still pondering the best setup. I havent got TARGET installed as there seemed to be too many posts that said you dont need it. But I would be interested to know how you put scoop and landing gear on the switches as there is no feedback to say if the gear is up or down.
 
I would be interested to see your layout. I have just dragged out my Warthog setup that I used for flight sims and am still pondering the best setup. I havent got TARGET installed as there seemed to be too many posts that said you dont need it. But I would be interested to know how you put scoop and landing gear on the switches as there is no feedback to say if the gear is up or down.

About to post my setup. For the switches I just set it up in target so that both the up and down switches send a pulse for the toggle. This isn't ideal but so long as I make sure the switch is in the down position before I start the game (I usually log out in a station) then I just have to flick it up for gear up and back down to lower again. Same goes for the scoop but I start the game with the switch up and then can flick it down in the game to lower the scoop.

Would actually be nice if FD could add separate gear up and gear down commands to map to the switches though. There's probably a way to do this in TARGET but I'm not a pro used by any stretch.
 
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