So you want to know about the Formidine Rift? (Part 3)

When Galnet clues and book clues contradict each other, remember the book was written before the game was finalised. Information in it is incomplete and could have been changed. This is something Drew has even said himself.

On the other hand, the Galnet articles are being written with the current state of the game in mind and thus more accurate.
 
Oh, one more thing has been nagging me: the sentence "The vain queen rides 'a' giraffe...". Why 'a' giraffe and not 'the' giraffe, if she wanted to indicate Camelopardalis? When i read 'a giraffe', it makes me think that perhaps it's not necessarily referring to Camelopardalis, in which case it would have read 'the giraffe'?

In some North African cultures Cassiopeia was interpreted as being a herd of girraffes (the main stars of the W asterism being just visible above the trees live the heads of giraffes).
 
Been pondering what this riddle means.

We've all assumed that the "vain queen" is Cassiopeia. Fair enough.

Warning ... I'm going to do some 'thinking out loud' here.

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We've identified the Giraffe as Camelopardalis. The word itself is a conjunction of two separate Greek words: kamēlos (Camel) and pardalis (leopard). The constellation was created in 1613 to represent the animal the Rebekah rode in the Old Testament when she went to marry Isaac. Bank that for now.

If Cassiopeia is to be seen as riding the Giraffe then she's riding it backwards as Cassiopeia and the Giraffe are facing different directions. Cassiopeia's knee is the star Ruchbah. It is a bit of stretch to point out that Ruchbah and Rebekah sound a little similar but, hey, I'm thinking out loud here.

Ruchbah is an Algol type star: an Eclipsing Binary Pair. Algol, of course, is the head of the Gorgon Medusa in the Perseus constellation. What if the reason that the Giraffe remembers Perseus has nothing to do with the constellation of Perseus itself but is a reference to the Algol type star that is riding on it's back? The problem, of course, is that Ruchbah is very very close to Sol and not near the Rift.

Like I said. Thinking out loud.
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At the risk of reinforcing your tinfoil, isn't there a strong theory that the Old Woman is REBECCA Wilson?

So if the Old Woman considers herself the 'vain queen' then her 'ride' is a Cobra which needs to fly back to Perseus.

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I don't believe this for a second, but it makes as much sense as any of my other theories.
 
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That's what's killing me. Or perhaps the old woman knew of two ways to get to the same place? The RR line is what she used to help Salome find it but she used the H&S/EAFOTS way to get there herself instead? Or, the RR line is what she remembers after they deleted her memory and the H&S/EAFOTS is what was stored in the ship's memory (the old lady stored it in the ship memory before her own memory was deleted but then forgot about it since her memory had been deleted?)?

Could simply mean that's the direction you need to take, but you may need to find another route there - this is what I believe it means, going back to the whole Gamma and ship jump ranges as they were two years ago. This, of course, is hardly the case now. Even my iCourier could get over 30LY with the L5 FSD mod have, and some strategic D-classing of modules.

I've seen so many odd looking things int he skybox out there, that I've started questioning what is odd, and what is not. I kinda wish we had "lateral FSD thrusters", so I could orbit a black hole keeping the nos epointed at it, so I could view the galaxy through the lensing affect... Even if I didn't find anything with that method, at would sure be fun in an Oculus Rift.

I'm now debating whether to take the anaconda or the Asp for this trip, as much as I do like the extra range of the Anaconda, it's so punishingly slow to turn in SC...

Z...
 
At the risk of reinforcing your tinfoil, isn't there a strong theory that the Old Woman is REBECCA Wilson?

So if the Old Woman considers herself the 'vain queen' then her 'ride' is a Cobra which needs to fly back to Perseus.

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I don't believe this for a second, but it makes as much sense as any of my other theories.

Hadn't thought of that but, yes, I for one am convinced that the 'Old Woman' is Rebecca Weston/Tiley.
 
Off once more to search for the answer to this mystery. This time in my 21ly jump range python. I may be crazy, but I think its possible to cross to the other side of what we believe to be the rift in this ship. I'm heading via a different route as the RR line has been done to death. Hopefully I'll be close to where I want to be when guardians drops.

Last time I ventured out I was convinced I'd find something. This time I'm convinced I won't :-/
 
Off once more to search for the answer to this mystery. This time in my 21ly jump range python. I may be crazy, but I think its possible to cross to the other side of what we believe to be the rift in this ship. I'm heading via a different route as the RR line has been done to death. Hopefully I'll be close to where I want to be when guardians drops.

Last time I ventured out I was convinced I'd find something. This time I'm convinced I won't :-/


best of luck im following my own leads , across the opposite rift on the far side of the galaxy just in case its a case we are awaaaaaay off mark, plus theres hardly anyone out that far
 
Regarding Rebecca Weston being the old woman.
Ive just finished reading Status Quo. There's something in the Epilogue about Rebecca's future. I do not think they are the same person.
 
best of luck im following my own leads , across the opposite rift on the far side of the galaxy just in case its a case we are awaaaaaay off mark, plus theres hardly anyone out that far

Yup, been there, done that - nice view, but nothing else there. I hope you find something.

Z...
 
best of luck im following my own leads , across the opposite rift on the far side of the galaxy just in case its a case we are awaaaaaay off mark, plus theres hardly anyone out that far

This has been my way of thinking lately. The whole "broadly correct" term regarding the location of the rift leaves more questions than it answers.

Does he mean its somewhere in amongst where its generally perceived to be? Does he mean that its a gap between arms, but not necessarily where we currently think?
does he mean we're vaguely in the general direction? Who bloody knows?!

I would have thought with the number of commanders searching the RR line and EAFOTS, something of note would have come up by now. . . ? That leads me to think that we're not quite looking in the right places yet. . .

Good luck on your venture.
 
Regarding Rebecca Weston being the old woman.
Ive just finished reading Status Quo. There's something in the Epilogue about Rebecca's future. I do not think they are the same person.

I can't find the post, but I'm sure I read that the old woman was Elyssia Fields from the Dark Wheel book.
Which would also fit Drew's love of Greek myth and may also reference the Wayfarers graveyard out towards the rift.
 
So I have some dubious mythological findings, hopefully a trail of some sort. Or at the very least, they may complement Matzov's awesome work. Or, with luck, perhaps they might pertain to other parts of future Elite lore.


Bear with me, you could build a 1:1 Cobra with this much aluminium.


In the course of this research, I noticed that a lot of the big CGs were based in or around these systems. Like FDev screaming at us "THIS IS A DAMN CLUE!". Considering stations and system names like Persephone, Algol, Aganippe, Bast etc... (you could make an argument for Morai too).


That or there's just so many mythologically named systems that one is bound to see connections where there aren't any. (Shh! -Ed)


Anyway. The heart clues seem to be everywhere so I started looking at Anubis, given that he weighed the heart against a feather in the Underworld's Hall of Judgement (Yep, pretty much a trial) to determine if it was to be fed to Ammut, the ‘Devourer’, and the soul to be cast into darkness.


So, the interesting thing about the Egyptian Underworld systems is they tend to be binary or trinary systems with no planets. Quite dead as it were. I checked out Anubis, Osiris, Isis, Horus, Hathor and Set. (Isis is the exception here, probably because she is a giver of life. The planets are a bit weird by the way, they start off Isis I, Isis II, Isis 1, Isis 2...)


Side note: The idea, initially, was to find combinations of terraformed and ammonia worlds. They seem to always crop up in some form in the other myth systems...


So, Set (a god of storms) was interesting too. His companion stars are Shango and Oya, also storm gods (Nigerian). Oya representing winds, lightning, violent storms, death and rebirth.
Now, brilliantly, it turns out Baʿal was particularly associated with the storm and fertility god Hadad, who was depicted often holding a club and thunderbolt while wearing a bull-horned headdress, who in turn is associated with Zeus. They must all be hanging out at the same bars with Thor.


Now, Zeus is closely associated with Amun-Ra, the major Egyptian deity and Berber deity whose major cult center was Thebes. Thebes comes up again very soon.


Consider also that, in myth, Set is employed by Ra on his solar boat (space ship?) to repel the serpent of Chaos, Apep. We'll park this for a second.


This is the tenuous part, inspired by the lunacy of the Lalande 4141 system. I visited system G 41-14, a system eerily familiar to the Egyptian Underworld systems. Except it has a gas giant orbited by Ramon Hub, some Google Fu later, I came across Makhtesh Ramon...


This is a deep rift in the desert in Israel and this is where it gets fun. The crater is 40 km long, 2–10 km wide and 500 meters deep, and is shaped like an elongated heart. Some of the rocks at the bottom of the crater are up to 200 million years old, In the centre of the makhtesh is a hill of hexagonal prisms! Not only that, but the walls are full of ammonites.


'The name "ammonite", from which the scientific term is derived, was inspired by the spiral shape of their fossilized shells, which somewhat resemble tightly coiled rams' horns. Pliny the Elder (d. 79 AD near Pompeii) called fossils of these animals ammonis cornua ("horns of Ammon") because the Egyptian god Ammon (Amun-Ra) was typically depicted wearing ram's horns.'


Back to Thebes, major cult center of Amun-Ra. Cadmus, who was said to have founded Thebes, brought the alphabet to Greece. See 'Cadmean' anagram.


This briefly brings us back to the CGs. For the Aganippe Rush CG, well, there is a New Thebes in the Aganippe system.


'Aganippe "the Mare who destroys mercifully" was an aspect of Demeter [Persephone's mother] ... In this aspect, in her idols (such as one found in Mavrospelya, the Black Cave, in Phigalia) she was portrayed as mare-headed with a mane entwined with Gorgon Snakes.'


'In some of the earliest accounts Demeter was triune goddess representing the Virgin (Kore), the Mother (Pluto "Abundance"), and the Crone ('Persephone the Destroyer'), representing the cycle of birth, life, and death. In later legends, the name Pluto was transferred to the god of the underworld, and elements of Kore and the name Persephone became associated as her daughter.'


From the Jefress treasure hunt (everything is related):
"The clues took pilots to Persephone in the Avalon system, then to Arrhenius Terminal in Bard and finally to the Algol system."
- Where we found LOTS more snakes. A snake ship with snakes on it in a snake system. Remember the serpent of Chaos, Apep, from earlier?


And another stretch: the Staff of Asclepius "conveyed notions of resurrection and healing", Cerberus plague/HART Station. Cerberus makes me think of Hecate in her triplicity. She was associated with borders, city walls, doorways, crossroads and, by extension, with realms outside or beyond the world of the living. It strikes me that the Rift, the Conflux and Hawking's Gap are three places Salome has mentioned to be connected.


The other interesting thing here is that Arrhenius also pops up in the Magec system (the ancient Berber religion's sun god who was kidnapped and locked up and so the world was plunged into Thargoids. Sorry, darkness).


tldr; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18JmieM8SFc




Also, just realised as I wrote this, on the Babylonian front... The Babylonian god Marduk/Marutuk... Elvira Martuuk?)
Speaking of which... In Babylonian astronomy, Alpha Trianguli is listed as UR.BAR.RA "The Wolf", Drew likes wolves - (Autolycus) and Wolf 630.


And there you go. Although maybe it's just cool throwing mythology, scientists, astronauts and sci-fi authors into your galaxy. Either way it's great fun learning about all these things and it has become a big part of the game for me. I was watching Neil deGrasse Tyson's Cosmos show earlier and now I know why it's called the Cannon research group. :)




CMDR. Astirian
- Naval Intelligence, Imperial Grey Wolves
 
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Sometimes a bunch of tentacles is just a bunch of tentacles. :D

I can't find the post, but I'm sure I read that the old woman was Elyssia Fields from the Dark Wheel book.
Which would also fit Drew's love of Greek myth and may also reference the Wayfarers graveyard out towards the rift.

It has never been stated as fact but I believe the old lady is Elysia Fields. Especially after the Cobra in Tionisla graveyard clue as it ties in nicely.
 
Consider that the Old Woman could be all of these people. Afterall, we know Drew has no problem with alias names (Kahina/Salomé). Moreover, if we consider all the 'rebirth' parts to this tapestry, then the Old Lady might have been many names to many people. Much like the Gods also.
 
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