Every group was able to be a participant in the dangerous games and thus be selected to become the first player power? Really? You sure about that?
Special Treatment & Favouritism?
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Every group was able to be a participant in the dangerous games and thus be selected to become the first player power? Really? You sure about that?
Ha! It is actually of less use now as the Founders World discounts are beaten by areas under the control of Qui Gon Jin or whatever that PowerPlay dude is called.
Every group could register for the Popular Vote participation of the Wildcard finalist position.
The normal finalists were also chosen based on BGS prominence, not favouritism.
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Initially, I was extremely critical of such internal Group Rankings.
However, there's a few caviats :
- a Decal is just that. A tiny emblem. And typically it was earned by a typically very tough Group effort.
- "Special Interest Groups"... Well, that's a bit of a different case. Still :
-> certain mass-events require some levels of participation that can't be guaranteed or organzied otherwise; huge Groups tend to be able to safisfy that requirement and "make it happen"
-> certain Groups simply have achieved to make themselves known. Can think about what certain Groups do or not - but it's an achievement nonetheless
Last but not least, Frontier gets what they need from several of these Groups & Events : PR. Footage. Images. Well-documented Stories.
Quite often very well-made content and customized to fulfill specific requirements for publication to a broad audience.
They're a commercial enterprise after all, so advertising what is theoretically possible within the Game done by Players/Groups helps that.
Now how far certain "special treatment" goes, is debatable. But ultimately, it's up to them to decide.
In the past, at least I've seen no showstoppers that have arisen from that (the Great Betrayal of Kaushpoos being the only exception I can recall - but that didn't really look like it was "Special Interest Group" related for all I know).
However, there's a few caviats :
- a Decal is just that. A tiny emblem. And typically it was earned by a typically very tough Group effort.
- "Special Interest Groups"... Well, that's a bit of a different case. Still :
-> certain mass-events require some levels of participation that can't be guaranteed or organzied otherwise; huge Groups tend to be able to safisfy that requirement and "make it happen"
-> certain Groups simply have achieved to make themselves known. Can think about what certain Groups do or not - but it's an achievement nonetheless
Last but not least, Frontier gets what they need from several of these Groups & Events : PR. Footage. Images. Well-documented Stories.
Quite often very well-made content and customized to fulfill specific requirements for publication to a broad audience.
They're a commercial enterprise after all, so advertising what is theoretically possible within the Game done by Players/Groups helps that.
Now how far certain "special treatment" goes, is debatable. But ultimately, it's up to them to decide.
In the past, at least I've seen no showstoppers that have arisen from that (the Great Betrayal of Kaushpoos being the only exception I can recall - but that didn't really look like it was "Special Interest Group" related for all I know).
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I'm guessing the only way to clear this is to remove all decals that have been awarded as well as any 'special' treatment; because FD can't look at all the groups and make a balanced decision unless they want to spend manpower on it.
Are these favorites not entitled to a decal in your opinion?
Are other groups efforts comparable and should receive a decal, any particular group in mind? Have this group asked for it, do they even want it?
Saw that Canonn writing an open letter - they might even get a decal now as they 'caught' the developers eye. You gotta get noticed I guess...
If it is blatant favoritism and suppression of other major players, then yes it is a problem and I would hope most would see it instantly.
I can not see a 'real' problem but I do recognize that the ones that catches FDs eye might get a response since they indeed was noted. But are the other ones 'suppressed' in FD management? Are they actively trying to stomp out a group and favoritism an other; are they really?
And when you say no other MMO has this - but do other MMOs even acknowledge any player group, interact in this way at all?
They are/where doing modding interviews on the Bethseda Blog and people where asking "why this modder, she hasn't done as much as this one", or "interview this one" "no, this one!". Some just thought it was great reading these interviews even though they where favorite some modders over other.
When FD is blatantly stomping on player groups, that is the time to start these threads - right now it is a problem that has always existed in some form and as long as they don't stray to far we can acknowledge that it is what they see as fun and beneficial.
I think it is more beneficial for all players that FD do these kind of things than not at all, for both actions have negative affects and wont suit or work for everybody - and some will see the problems, if there really are any at all.
We'll see if FD will ban a whole clan of players out of the game, then you bet I will complain and not buy anything Elite connected again.
Are these favorites not entitled to a decal in your opinion?
Are other groups efforts comparable and should receive a decal, any particular group in mind? Have this group asked for it, do they even want it?
Saw that Canonn writing an open letter - they might even get a decal now as they 'caught' the developers eye. You gotta get noticed I guess...
If it is blatant favoritism and suppression of other major players, then yes it is a problem and I would hope most would see it instantly.
I can not see a 'real' problem but I do recognize that the ones that catches FDs eye might get a response since they indeed was noted. But are the other ones 'suppressed' in FD management? Are they actively trying to stomp out a group and favoritism an other; are they really?
And when you say no other MMO has this - but do other MMOs even acknowledge any player group, interact in this way at all?
They are/where doing modding interviews on the Bethseda Blog and people where asking "why this modder, she hasn't done as much as this one", or "interview this one" "no, this one!". Some just thought it was great reading these interviews even though they where favorite some modders over other.
When FD is blatantly stomping on player groups, that is the time to start these threads - right now it is a problem that has always existed in some form and as long as they don't stray to far we can acknowledge that it is what they see as fun and beneficial.
I think it is more beneficial for all players that FD do these kind of things than not at all, for both actions have negative affects and wont suit or work for everybody - and some will see the problems, if there really are any at all.
We'll see if FD will ban a whole clan of players out of the game, then you bet I will complain and not buy anything Elite connected again.
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Since decals do absolutely nothing, much in the same way racing stripes do not make cars any faster, I don't care if FD hands these out to anyone. I don't even use the free ones we get for our various rankings.
As for things like a stylized Sidewinder - it's a Sidewinder. Everybody has, or at least, had one at one time. It's not like it grants any sort of special advantage.
Now if FD was handing out Special Edition Panther Clippers I might support a fuss.
As for things like a stylized Sidewinder - it's a Sidewinder. Everybody has, or at least, had one at one time. It's not like it grants any sort of special advantage.
Now if FD was handing out Special Edition Panther Clippers I might support a fuss.
And imho all Wildcard participants got decals.
I just realised I'm arguing against me being an FD favourite.
FD likes me! FD really, really likes me!
FD likes me! FD really, really likes me!
Brett C
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As for Customer Services apparently playing favorites, this is untrue. If the player who encountered issues was due to a bug or an exploit, more chances than not, Customer Services will restore part or in full of the commanders profile. If Customer Support is freely restoring content to commanders without a backing reason for it, than by all means, do let me know.
Customer Support sometimes cannot do a full commander restore due to how the backend servers store session and commander profile information.
Nah, you're the exception that proves the rule Ziggy.
Why should I be the exception that proves the rule and not other CMDRs? That's not fair to other CMDRs!
I know Ziggy, but see, you are a fringe case on the fringe of fringe cases, there is that line in the sand and you are waist deep in water, you are so far out of the ballpark that you cease to be a sport...I could go on
Yeah, I know. It's the exact reason I am FD's favourite. They're odd, they like that sort of thingI know Ziggy, but see, you are a fringe case on the fringe of fringe cases, there is that line in the sand and you are waist deep in water, you are so far out of the ballpark that you cease to be a sport...I could go on
Personally I disagree with the OP's OP.
My problem with this train of thought is that it once again blames FD for something that I think is self inflicted. If you don't wish to join a "group" (I am one of you/those folks), that is your decision. One you make knowing what the deal is.
The idea that a company should not listen to, or pay more attention to larger groups, or more vocal groups does not have any semblance in reality. A perfect example of this is the National Rifle Association here in the U.S. The NRA has less members then Planet Fitness. And yet they a one of the most powerful lobbyists in the U.S. The reason is because they are a highly motivated and highly dedicated group(don't get me wrong, I like guns). I do not think it matters if it is software developer or a firearm manufacturer, you are going to cater to the most focal, and/or biggest crowd.
Please tell me you are kidding? So you are saying that the people who found and supported the kick started shouldn't get the "life time pass" that they payed for? How in anyway, shape, or form, can you justify this? FYI, I missed it too.
You do know that last X-mas time, FD had a silent auction for a "Life time pass"? Did you bid on it? I did, and I know the person who won it. And if it comes around again, I'm going to bid again. I plan on winning this time. So you what the same thing as the "Founders" have. Step up, and put your money on the same table they did!
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My problem with this train of thought is that it once again blames FD for something that I think is self inflicted. If you don't wish to join a "group" (I am one of you/those folks), that is your decision. One you make knowing what the deal is.
The idea that a company should not listen to, or pay more attention to larger groups, or more vocal groups does not have any semblance in reality. A perfect example of this is the National Rifle Association here in the U.S. The NRA has less members then Planet Fitness. And yet they a one of the most powerful lobbyists in the U.S. The reason is because they are a highly motivated and highly dedicated group(don't get me wrong, I like guns
). I do not think it matters if it is software developer or a firearm manufacturer, you are going to cater to the most focal, and/or biggest crowd. Please tell me you are kidding? So you are saying that the people who found and supported the kick started shouldn't get the "life time pass" that they payed for? How in anyway, shape, or form, can you justify this? FYI, I missed it too.
You do know that last X-mas time, FD had a silent auction for a "Life time pass"? Did you bid on it? I did, and I know the person who won it. And if it comes around again, I'm going to bid again. I plan on winning this time. So you what the same thing as the "Founders" have. Step up, and put your money on the same table they did!
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What FD is doing is perfectly natural. Backers and supporters are awarded with "gifts" that don't affect gameplay. Decals, design modified ships, station names... hell, they could be giving names of player to systems, and it wouldn't change the way the game plays.
It would be different, of course, if these players would have access to special ships or modules that no one else can use. That would be wrong, but this is not the case.
What they are doing is mild reward to players that contribute to the game. Perfectly normal, and, in my opinion, the right thing to do.
It would be different, of course, if these players would have access to special ships or modules that no one else can use. That would be wrong, but this is not the case.
What they are doing is mild reward to players that contribute to the game. Perfectly normal, and, in my opinion, the right thing to do.
Ironic really when the game doesn't natively support groups in any way, and was heavily designed with a singleplayer experience as the focus.
The idea that a company should not listen to, or pay more attention to larger groups, or more vocal groups does not have any semblance in reality. A perfect example of this is the National Rifle Association here in the U.S. The NRA has less members then Planet Fitness. And yet they a one of the most powerful lobbyists in the U.S. The reason is because they are a highly motivated and highly dedicated group(don't get me wrong, I like guns
So in order to be noticed we need to lobby Frontier and be part of a big group? M'kay.. We can't just play the game?
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Would I like a decal for our group? Sure thing, who doesn't?
Do I think it is unfair that some groups got one and we didn't, and we didn't? No.
Do I think FD would give every group a decal if it was possible with an acceptable effort? sure.
Can FD trust players to not abuse being able to upload decals? A HAHAHA HAHA. ...No. Well, me they could trust, I know that I am trustworthy.
This is once again a case where FD does something above what they were supposed to do, where they tried to reach out to reward the community, and they get burnt for it.
Why should they add me PG decals, if that is the thank you they get?
I can't understand how someone can mistake kindness for favoritism.
Do I think it is unfair that some groups got one and we didn't, and we didn't? No.
Do I think FD would give every group a decal if it was possible with an acceptable effort? sure.
Can FD trust players to not abuse being able to upload decals? A HAHAHA HAHA. ...No. Well, me they could trust, I know that I am trustworthy.
This is once again a case where FD does something above what they were supposed to do, where they tried to reach out to reward the community, and they get burnt for it.
Why should they add me PG decals, if that is the thank you they get?
I can't understand how someone can mistake kindness for favoritism.
When you say 'natively', I presume you're offering a caveat for the Wings & Private Group systems as well as the Powerplay pledge?
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