Actually I made the post as a more I trolled myself lawls.. but everyone kinda blew it the out of proportion. In which case I defended that someone could if they wanted use it as a form of piracy against another player. It's everyone else saying I want to bring EVE to Elite or putting some other form of silly comments in my mouth I never said.
Found a new way to troll miners...
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Actually I made the post as a more I trolled myself lawls.. but everyone kinda blew it the out of proportion. In which case I defended that someone could if they wanted use it as a form of piracy against another player. It's everyone else saying I want to bring EVE to Elite or putting some other form of silly comments in my mouth I never said.
Not another troll. Go on then, I'll bite ...
Yet another player who believes they are role-playing when, in fact, they are hiding behind that moniker to grief others for lulz.
His Dad probably cancelled his Eve subscription, so he has to find some cheaper game to troll in
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What's up, are you surprised no one is respecting you for your childish bait?
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His Dad probably cancelled his Eve subscription, so he has to find some cheaper game to troll in
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What's up, are you surprised no one is respecting you for your childish bait?
<Badgering> THe amount of backlash at even a joking comment about giving miners trouble created the most toxic environment in a post I've seen in a long time.. lol
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Until you get a shadowban for harassment. Specifically following and 'making a player's life hell' is considered harassment in this game, regardless of how much you used to do it and how leet you are at it in another game.
If you want to plead your case that it isn't, then you're making it to the wrong person, I'm afraid: I am not FD, and what people did in EVE is not considered legit in Elite. Like you say: EVE was brutal and what went on in EVE would not fly in a lot of other games.
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I'm starting to think Elite Dangerous is where all the rejects that couldn't make it in EVE Online went
Or the people who like flying more than spreadsheets...
Only thing toxic in this thread is you and your spurious opinion. You are just being "Obvious" now. Ironic you speak of Eve rejects populating the forums here, and there you are! A former Eve player, whining for troll points from an audience who does not respect him.
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The point is rather, should we have a safe way to play altogether in OPEN else it defeats that mode to be used by players who have not been put off by the ganking experience. I suggest DAMAGES ONLY in OPEN and add a rescue method.
Of course, this would still work in a so-called PvE world, as would rather a lot of other stuff - there are even things you can do in Solo to hinder (or help!) another player who is also in Solo. The game is far too complex to draw a neat mechanical line between "actions which are attacks on players" and "actions which are not attacks on players" (even if there are a few things each side which are obvious).
If there was an official PvE mode I would expect endless forum threads arguing over the definition of PvP and complaints of how Frontier's automated systems weren't able to solve with 100% reliability "is this PvP?" questions (both ways: allowing stuff which is, and disallowing stuff which isn't). For an example related to this thread which cannot possibly be automatically determined: is launching your own collector limpets near a miner a PvP action?
Safety in numbers, and using the vast amount of mechanics Frontier gives you to begin with.
Silent Running anyone?
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I'm have no sympathy for the OP and his/her approach to the game, so much for that.
But that doesn't matter at all.
What the game "is" or "is not" is not defined by dev intentions or user interpretations.
It's defined alone by the game mechanics in place and what can be done with them.
The game allows for player to player engagements in every system without exception, including the systems where the new players start.
Just as a side note, even the much "loathed" eve online does a better job of protecting it's new players.
Most of us here probably don't fly around looking for the next best fellow we can shoot down, so for us it's not an open world PvP game, simply because that's not how we choose to play.
But for the player who chooses to play that way it is an open world PvP game, because the mechanics for it are there.
We can point our fingers and apply our "moral righteousness" all we want, but it's futile and unrealistic to think anyone can "educate" this subset of players into changing.
If there's any fingers to point it's at FD, who, by the looks of it, were naive enough to think everybody would play nice just because that's how they intended it to be....the famous "meaningful player v. player combat", if you recall.
I can speculate that their lack of experience with an open world multiplayer environment played it's part.
Regardless, two years in, and whatever experience they have gathered since then still hasn't resulted in an effective crime and punishment system.
And one last thing, a request actually, if you have lost a ship to one of the you know whos, don't post about it ?
Don't pour even more water onto the salt mining mill ?
But that doesn't matter at all.
What the game "is" or "is not" is not defined by dev intentions or user interpretations.
It's defined alone by the game mechanics in place and what can be done with them.
The game allows for player to player engagements in every system without exception, including the systems where the new players start.
Just as a side note, even the much "loathed" eve online does a better job of protecting it's new players.
Most of us here probably don't fly around looking for the next best fellow we can shoot down, so for us it's not an open world PvP game, simply because that's not how we choose to play.
But for the player who chooses to play that way it is an open world PvP game, because the mechanics for it are there.
We can point our fingers and apply our "moral righteousness" all we want, but it's futile and unrealistic to think anyone can "educate" this subset of players into changing.
If there's any fingers to point it's at FD, who, by the looks of it, were naive enough to think everybody would play nice just because that's how they intended it to be....the famous "meaningful player v. player combat", if you recall.
I can speculate that their lack of experience with an open world multiplayer environment played it's part.
Regardless, two years in, and whatever experience they have gathered since then still hasn't resulted in an effective crime and punishment system.
And one last thing, a request actually, if you have lost a ship to one of the you know whos, don't post about it ?
Don't pour even more water onto the salt mining mill ?
Let's get this right while your on your "open is pvp land" high horse, if you wish to raise this point and have reasoned discussion between adults don't title your thread easy way to TROLL miners.
Your using a tired argument to defend a practice YOU CALLED TROLLING not me not ANY other player but YOU, don't expect sympathy or words of encouragement from the majority of the community when your sole aim of the thread was to pass on a trolling tip to other like minded morons. It's not role playing it's not big and it's not clever you and others like you are the BIGGEST DISERVICE TO ROLE PLAYING IN THE GAME.
you constantly hide behind the vague wording of the Devs and the skirts of true role players to justify your petty juvenile game play. Good on ya big up ya ow how about you go play in the park before your cookies are ready and it's nap time.
Your using a tired argument to defend a practice YOU CALLED TROLLING not me not ANY other player but YOU, don't expect sympathy or words of encouragement from the majority of the community when your sole aim of the thread was to pass on a trolling tip to other like minded morons. It's not role playing it's not big and it's not clever you and others like you are the BIGGEST DISERVICE TO ROLE PLAYING IN THE GAME.
you constantly hide behind the vague wording of the Devs and the skirts of true role players to justify your petty juvenile game play. Good on ya big up ya ow how about you go play in the park before your cookies are ready and it's nap time.
You must be a bad pirate, if you have to ask that question.
Don't be a tanker irl then. Everything irl is just spreadsheet as well. Hell even being a pilot in the navy or airforce is spreadsheet when you break it down. Forget the fact, that ED is also a spreadsheet XD. Sure you have more manual control technically, but in the end, spreadsheet.
The spreadsheet argument is so naive.
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I don't see it as a bug. It's a totally legimate mechanic that should stay. Even if I don't actually troll or pirate in-game. They need some love.
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