Is Jacques a good place to sell exploration data?
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Thanks for the clarification! I was just unsure about this because earlier in the thread, you wrote that "Colonia Council has been requesting that people refrain from selling their data at Jaques to allow them to gain influence in the Colonia system." (Emphasis mine.) I think this about clears it up then.
I'm not, I'm responding to Jaiotu's post likening the Colonia Council to the United Nation's - which is obviously isn't, the UN is the most political body on the planet & it's agenda's aren't always agreeable to everyone.
The Colonia Council actually has many things in common with the Alliance of Independent Systems, if you agree to instead of independent systems have rather independent factions and entities at its core. Each member retains its independence and relative souvereignty whereas it also agrees to behave in a set of rules and "entitlements". One of these entitlements is to protect its people, values and assets. But it doesn't have a unified standing military. Instead, strong military presences are only called upon when external threats arise that demand to be dealt with.
Aside from that, the Colonia Council grants its member factions the right to pursue their own agendas and does not interfere so much as to start micro-regulating everones' lives.
This is represented perfectlly in game terms as the Council at the moment only raises incentives to cooperate and generally have some fun, while at the same time "confronting" (in an abstract way) various local gangs (the BGS villains) to hold things in check.
Makes perfect sense for a coperative community of loosely associated players wanting to do their thing.
Aside from that, the Colonia Council grants its member factions the right to pursue their own agendas and does not interfere so much as to start micro-regulating everones' lives.
This is represented perfectlly in game terms as the Council at the moment only raises incentives to cooperate and generally have some fun, while at the same time "confronting" (in an abstract way) various local gangs (the BGS villains) to hold things in check.
Makes perfect sense for a coperative community of loosely associated players wanting to do their thing.
What I said is what Colonia Council means to ME. YMMV
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My mistake conflating Colonia Council with CCN. They aren't necessarily the same thing though I PERSONALLY think that CCN should adopt Colonia Council as a rallying point for players who want cooperative gameplay around Colonia.
No, it isn't. The UN is no more political than any other entity trying to regulate things. The UN only tries to do this on a grander scale than, say, Iran (which joined the UN 24/10/1945).
And of course the politics of the UN are subject to debate. It's a facet of a political process to debate things.
What I mean by comparing Colonia Council to the UN: A rallying point for discussion and maintaining peaceful relations between factions that begin colonizing the region. I don't want to see Colonia becoming "Bubble 2" with all the associated hostilities. If the Earth Expeditionary Fleet were to be granted colonial status and given a system... and expanded into another player groups system... I'd like to see player groups uniting under Colonia Council to ensure that my player group doesn't tread on the other group's status as a controlling faction. This is MY view and mine alone. I don't represent Colonia anything. I'm just a player that likes the idea of starting something new with a "blank slate".
This is it exactly.
The Colonia Council is a panel of representatives of player groups present in Colonia, hosted by CCN. Its purpose is exactly as Jaiotu and Andrew describe above - to promote communication and collaboration between those groups so that colonisation happens peacefully, free of the mistrust and territorial squabbles that dog the Bubble.
The NPC faction called the Colonia Council in the Jaques system is an in-game representation of this.
The Colonia Council is a panel of representatives of player groups present in Colonia, hosted by CCN. Its purpose is exactly as Jaiotu and Andrew describe above - to promote communication and collaboration between those groups so that colonisation happens peacefully, free of the mistrust and territorial squabbles that dog the Bubble.
The NPC faction called the Colonia Council in the Jaques system is an in-game representation of this.
One could wonder wht the "Earth Expeditionary Fleet" is doing in the Colonia region anyway... 
Weren't expeditionary forces usually deployed tosuppress observe clear cases of colonial misbehavior? Or are you just looking for some maintenance overhaul and a bar near a drydock?
Weren't expeditionary forces usually deployed to
One could wonder wht the "Earth Expeditionary Fleet" is doing in the Colonia region anyway...
Weren't expeditionary forces usually deployed tosuppressobserve clear cases of colonial misbehavior? Or are you just looking for some maintenance overhaul and a bar near a drydock?
I use the term expeditionary in the way it was used with the Corps of Discovery Expedition led by Meriwether Lewis and his close friend, Second Lieutenant William Clark. We work with the Earth DEFENSE Fleet but, as explorers, our desire is to go "out there". Colonia is the perfect launchpad for thousands of future expeditions into the unknown. Check out the link in my signature for the Cassiopeia Project. That is the kind of thing that EEF wants to promote.
Ah, the Lewis-and-Clarke expedition. I really like those 'wild frontier' stories and accounts of the young US. My favorite story is that of Robert Rogers and his search for the Northwest Passage. The stuff of true explorers...
The L&C expedition was foremost on my mind when we chose the name for EEF. We wanted something that tied us to the Earth Defense Fleet in name. The Earth Expeditionary Fleet's intention is to project the BEST part of Federation ideology while shedding the negative aspects. Very much for +++individual freedom and +++freedom of thought which means we are very ---anti-slavery.
What some of you seem to forget is that the CCN has no faction, no territory and doesn't own any 'army'. The Militia is composed of fighters from different groups with different interests, and holds thanks to their volunteer mutual collaboration. If you really want to pinpoint a core of tangible CCN persons, as you seem to desperately need something to hold against what you, as it appears, refuse to understand, sure, you can count 8 Custodians. Who all are independent explorers. And I think I can speak for all of them when I say that politics is the least of our concerns. And so far, I only ever see the word 'politics' applied to CCN on the forums. It has never been used by any member or group representative. If you wanna do your own thang, you can do it on your own, you can do it through CCN, because the point is to connect people.
Now this pseudo-debate could go on forever, so allow me to make it simple with some semantics.
Network : noun. A system of lines or channels that cross or interconnect.
Now hang on, here comes the hard part : if you remove the points, there is no network. Ta-da! That's CCN. We only exist as a link. CCN is only the sum of its elements. So, feel free to bother all of the member groups! But beware: they know quite well that they are political groups But implying or fearing that CCN would be a political entity aiming at taking over the Colonia Nebula is pure nonsense. Literal nonsense. To sum up with, of course you simply do what you want, because we don't care what you think or want or do in the game. That's your game. Just don't spread misinformation about things you don't fully understand.
And learn english.
Now this pseudo-debate could go on forever, so allow me to make it simple with some semantics.
Network : noun. A system of lines or channels that cross or interconnect.
Now hang on, here comes the hard part : if you remove the points, there is no network. Ta-da! That's CCN. We only exist as a link. CCN is only the sum of its elements. So, feel free to bother all of the member groups! But beware: they know quite well that they are political groups
But implying or fearing that CCN would be a political entity aiming at taking over the Colonia Nebula is pure nonsense. Literal nonsense. To sum up with, of course you simply do what you want, because we don't care what you think or want or do in the game. That's your game. Just don't spread misinformation about things you don't fully understand.And learn english.
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When a post is placed early in the thread telling CMDRs NOT to sell data at Jaques Station because it's not gonna help CCN's cause & influence in the system, you've got to admit Qohen Leth.....that's gonna trigger off a response.
As is telling CMDR's to ONLY sell at Jaques.
This thread was very quickly derailed into an tangent, of which I contributed, in response to some of the other cmdr's views.......but that's what a forum is for isn't it?...an expression of views!
As is telling CMDR's to ONLY sell at Jaques.
This thread was very quickly derailed into an tangent, of which I contributed, in response to some of the other cmdr's views.......but that's what a forum is for isn't it?...an expression of views!
Nobody was "told" to do anything. There was a request, for reasons already outlined upthread. Not an unreasonable request, but not one that anyone is forcing anyone else to abide by. There is a rather large difference between the two things.
Let's all go on a witch hunt after Jaiotu for his poor choice of words!
*picks torch*
*picks torch*
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If not for that list ... how am I supposed to find the "bridge to colonia" ingame? Is there a way (except searching by zooming in galmap which I think is a nearly impossible way to find them by accident).
And those Colonia systems should really get real names by now, shouldn´t they?
There was an article on Galnet announcing their locations on 14 October, which I think is the only reliable entirely in-game way to find them at the moment.
Filter systems by population only and set minimum over 0. You should see them then.