So you want to know about the Formidine Rift? (Part 3)

[Titler]

I'm adding my idea here because I thought, I really thought about going out there and searching for the Rift, but I honestly hate these kind of ARGs where by obfuscation is a replacement for gameplay. In the case of the Rift in particular, if the hundreds of obsessives of Elite, who could solve the location of an alien base from a screenshot in a launch video in a day, who clearly sit reading morse code instead of a newspaper with their morning breakfast cereal can't get close even after all this time, the clues have to be stupendously complex or just outright deceiving...

Here's what I was thinking; With it being Heart and Soul, it was one of the systems between the two nebula, not necessarily within one of them individually.

However the R-R line (which is spectacularly hard to plot just using in game tools, even now with the bookmarks) seems to run nowhere near either nebula from what I can see of people's out of game maps. That line in turn seems to point to the tip of the final spiral arm beyond the Rift. But it could be anywhere above and below the plane, or thousands of LY off the line, if this is even a solid clue.

And how does that relate to "The core of the problem"? One way I thought of getting an estimated location was using the edges of the central spar of the galaxy, the true core, and plotting intercepts with either the RR line, or using the two Nebula, running a line to the edge of Heart, another from the opposite side to Soul and seeing if there's a third point beyond that where either the two cross, or they also intercept the RR line. However, the galaxies are very close over that distance, and even taking opposing edges only puts a likely two line mark somewhere in the middle of the Rift at a guess, and I don't have the tools or knowhow to work out if they would ever touch the RR.

There is not, as far as I know, a Galnet article yet which shows the quest line is beginning as hinted. I did think about flying to the prison station named and scanning all the data points, but that was the point where my interest just died...

As I say, I really hate this kind of content where it's not possible, until hoardes of lore lunatics happen to get close to the real location, to know if there even is a recognisable solution... and then suddenly it's all over for everyone else. I want to be able to DO something in game and guide my exploration! I don't mind if I'm not the fastest and someone else finds it first, but I don't want to have to throw insane theory after theory out there because there's no way to work towards anything!

 

[lorrad]

I'm adding my idea here because I thought, I really thought about going out there and searching for the Rift, but I honestly hate these kind of ARGs where by obfuscation is a replacement for gameplay. In the case of the Rift in particular, if the hundreds of obsessives of Elite, who could solve the location of an alien base from a screenshot in a launch video in a day, who clearly sit reading morse code instead of a newspaper with their morning breakfast cereal can't get close even after all this time, the clues have to be stupendously complex or just outright deceiving...

Here's what I was thinking; With it being Heart and Soul, it was one of the systems between the two nebula, not necessarily within one of them individually.

However the R-R line (which is spectacularly hard to plot just using in game tools, even now with the bookmarks) seems to run nowhere near either nebula from what I can see of people's out of game maps. That line in turn seems to point to the tip of the final spiral arm beyond the Rift. But it could be anywhere above and below the plane, or thousands of LY off the line, if this is even a solid clue.

And how does that relate to "The core of the problem"? One way I thought of getting an estimated location was using the edges of the central spar of the galaxy, the true core, and plotting intercepts with either the RR line, or using the two Nebula, running a line to the edge of Heart, another from the opposite side to Soul and seeing if there's a third point beyond that where either the two cross, or they also intercept the RR line. However, the galaxies are very close over that distance, and even taking opposing edges only puts a likely two line mark somewhere in the middle of the Rift at a guess, and I don't have the tools or knowhow to work out if they would ever touch the RR.

There is not, as far as I know, a Galnet article yet which shows the quest line is beginning as hinted. I did think about flying to the prison station named and scanning all the data points, but that was the point where my interest just died...

As I say, I really hate this kind of content where it's not possible, until hoardes of lore lunatics happen to get close to the real location, to know if there even is a recognisable solution... and then suddenly it's all over for everyone else. I want to be able to DO something in game and guide my exploration! I don't mind if I'm not the fastest and someone else finds it first, but I don't want to have to throw insane theory after theory out there because there's no way to work towards anything!

This isn't like the UA or the Ruins where you're presented with the all the pieces and can figure it out from that. This is more like a multipart murder mystery with bits and pieces of clues picked up each episode that by the final reveal only make total sense in retrospect. It's more like fan fiction playing out within the game more than FDEV's narrative to create gameplay. Each have both but the direction they start from is the opposite. You could say the Kahina story is the red-headed step child at the Fdev family reunion.

We may not get it until the next book is released and who knows maybe not even then.

There's always Raxxla,,,

 

[Crassus]

[RP]
As spokesman for the Independent Rift Explorers Alliance, I humbly suggest that the Children of Raxxla deal with the fallout from their terrorist actions themselves, without putting yet more innocent lives at risk.

Furthermore, we request that you desist from further military actions in the area of the Rift, and disband your so-called 'listening posts' immediately.

IREA out
[/RP]

Oh, please not! If CoR did retreat, the SDF ships might vanish and we would never know, what they guarded. ;-)

But I guess, the decision to "care" about the listening posts where made, why and when Salomé gave the positions to the CoR. So now "they" just have a different reason (terrorism) than before (smuggle or whatsoever).

We still need breadcrumbs that point our noses to the mystery, because we still don't see the forest for the trees ...

 

[[Diplomacy] Carnegie]

Oh, please not! If CoR did retreat, the SDF ships might vanish and we would never know, what they guarded. ;-)

But I guess, the decision to "care" about the listening posts where made, why and when Salomé gave the positions to the CoR. So now "they" just have a different reason (terrorism) than before (smuggle or whatsoever).

We still need breadcrumbs that point our noses to the mystery, because we still don't see the forest for the trees ...

Yeah, but the most likely reason for the SDF ships being there in the first place is a bug - the last thing we need in the forest is fake trees!

 

[Crassus]

Yeah, but the most likely reason for the SDF ships being there in the first place is a bug - the last thing we need in the forest is fake trees!

touché

 

[Cpt.Bilsn]

From the 2.2 changelog:

- Stop ambient police ships spawning where there shouldn't be any security response

Occam says they didn't fix it after all.

[RP]
As spokesman for the Independent Rift Explorers Alliance, I humbly suggest that the Children of Raxxla deal with the fallout from their terrorist actions themselves, without putting yet more innocent lives at risk.

Furthermore, we request that you desist from further military actions in the area of the Rift, and disband your so-called 'listening posts' immediately.

IREA out
[/RP]

[rp]
As a knight of the Empire I am alarmed and disgusted by steady descent of CoR deeper and deeper into violence and terrorism. Not only they fight system defence forces killing pilots, innocent Imperial citizens, now they are bold enough to stage an attack on military targets, Interdictor non the less! What awaits us from hands of these self proclaimed saviors? Attack on Imperial palace? Bombs on stations? Purges between civilians? Any semblance of sympathy for their 'cause' anyone has had should have long ago turned into dust. As I know mine did.
Furthermore I encourage any Commander, no matter his or hers allegiance to actively support any action taken against this terror group until CoR changes their ways.
[/rp]

Actually that might work as a galnet submission . Anyway rp aside, its actually great to see FD working with player groups the way they do. They could have just as easily say "nope, that didn't happen". Even though personally I would love to see some player driven opposition for CoR, the story as now seem too one sided.

 

[[Diplomacy] Carnegie]

[rp]
As a knight of the Empire I am alarmed and disgusted by steady descent of CoR deeper and deeper into violence and terrorism. Not only they fight system defence forces killing pilots, innocent Imperial citizens, now they are bold enough to stage an attack on military targets, Interdictor non the less! What awaits us from hands of these self proclaimed saviors? Attack on Imperial palace? Bombs on stations? Purges between civilians? Any semblance of sympathy for their 'cause' anyone has had should have long ago turned into dust. As I know mine did.
Furthermore I encourage any Commander, no matter his or hers allegiance to actively support any action taken against this terror group until CoR changes their ways.
[/rp]

Actually that might work as a galnet submission . Anyway rp aside, its actually great to see FD working with player groups the way they do. They could have just as easily say "nope, that didn't happen". Even though personally I would love to see some player driven opposition for CoR, the story as now seem too one sided.

Only virtual Rep available at this time.

Go for the Galnet submission - I'd request Tionisla and the CoR faction HQ as targets, because you probably won't get it as a global.

I may try another Independent Rift Explorers Alliance submission - I've had them published before.

The IREA would welcome any support, since it's currently just me

 

[Eisen]

[rp]
As a knight of the Empire I am alarmed and disgusted by steady descent of CoR deeper and deeper into violence and terrorism. Not only they fight system defence forces killing pilots, innocent Imperial citizens, now they are bold enough to stage an attack on military targets, Interdictor non the less! What awaits us from hands of these self proclaimed saviors? Attack on Imperial palace? Bombs on stations? Purges between civilians? Any semblance of sympathy for their 'cause' anyone has had should have long ago turned into dust. As I know mine did.
Furthermore I encourage any Commander, no matter his or hers allegiance to actively support any action taken against this terror group until CoR changes their ways.
[/rp]

Your allegiations are ridiculous and based on non-knowledge. May I recommend to improve that knowledge about actions taken by the Children of Raxxla by a short read? It is very clear that imperial leaders and jurisdiction conveniently had themselves manipulated by shadowy forces to convict Salomé. It is human to prefer the easy answer but it takes boldness to question the evidence that we have been presented with. Do you have such boldness or will you go on sitting in your seat, letting yourself being manipulated?

[OOC]
We need more player-initiatives to influence the stories. We have been thinking about starting a discussion with FD about ways how to actually roleplay something ingame so that it gets noticed. We all know that only 1 of 10 galnet submissions are accepted and the reasons of a rejection are somewhat obscure (how can we know if something contradicts their stories?). In the end only pew-pew and heavy PR (videos, forum-postings, reddit) gets you some attention. That ought to change in my eyes. What do you think?

 

[[Diplomacy] Carnegie]

Your allegiations are ridiculous and based on non-knowledge. May I recommend to improve that knowledge about actions taken by the Children of Raxxla by a short read? It is very clear that imperial leaders and jurisdiction conveniently had themselves manipulated by shadowy forces to convict Salomé. It is human to prefer the easy answer but it takes boldness to question the evidence that we have been presented with. Do you have such boldness or will you go on sitting in your seat, letting yourself being manipulated?

[OOC]
We need more player-initiatives to influence the stories. We have been thinking about starting a discussion with FD about ways how to actually roleplay something ingame so that it gets noticed. We all know that only 1 of 10 galnet submissions are accepted and the reasons of a rejection are somewhat obscure (how can we know if something contradicts their stories?). In the end only pew-pew and heavy PR (videos, forum-postings, reddit) gets you some attention. That ought to change in my eyes. What do you think?

[RP]
Whatever justification your leadership may have provided you with, the fact remains that the Children of Raxxla have become a personality cult, dedicated to the glorification of their messianic figurehead.

There can be no excuse for terrorism or vigilante actions - without the rule of law and its processes, the galaxy descends into anarchy and chaos.

For the sake of humanity, change your course.

IREA out
[/RP]

I completely agree that FDev need to provide an improved mechanism for roleplay within the game. However, it should not be limited to player minor factions, or else it will be perceived as FDev playing favorites - and accusation that regularly appears on these forums. The problem for FDev is the balance between control and accessibilty - however, discussing it with players would be a good starting point.

 

[dynamicbob]

For gameplay metric reasons, if CoR want an outpost out there, they should begin shooting the unnamed security forces at alpha base. or hire some mercs to push the background sim a few thousand blown up police ships (they are lawless and unnamed) might actually prompt some internal metric of xpoliceshipsdestoryed and lead to additional content.

 

[[Diplomacy] Carnegie]

For gameplay metric reasons, if CoR want an outpost out there, they should begin shooting the unnamed security forces at alpha base. or hire some mercs to push the background sim a few thousand blown up police ships (they are lawless and unnamed) might actually prompt some internal metric of xpoliceshipsdestoryed and lead to additional content.

So long as there's a counterbalance metric of how many CoR ships are destroyed by other cmdrs.

And this all assumes that the security ships aren't just a bug that wasn't fixed properly in 2.2

 

[dynamicbob]

well theres different sides of the coin, im inclined to give the CoR some support in getting salome out as long as they take her to deep space and she promises to stay out of the bubble, that would give seperation distance, to be honest her first discoveries are all over key points on the outer rim not just the rift but the farside arm as well which is interesting

 

[Cpt.Bilsn]

Your allegiations are ridiculous and based on non-knowledge. May I recommend to improve that knowledge about actions taken by the Children of Raxxla by a short read? It is very clear that imperial leaders and jurisdiction conveniently had themselves manipulated by shadowy forces to convict Salomé. It is human to prefer the easy answer but it takes boldness to question the evidence that we have been presented with. Do you have such boldness or will you go on sitting in your seat, letting yourself being manipulated?

[OOC]
We need more player-initiatives to influence the stories. We have been thinking about starting a discussion with FD about ways how to actually roleplay something ingame so that it gets noticed. We all know that only 1 of 10 galnet submissions are accepted and the reasons of a rejection are somewhat obscure (how can we know if something contradicts their stories?). In the end only pew-pew and heavy PR (videos, forum-postings, reddit) gets you some attention. That ought to change in my eyes. What do you think?

Agreed, more clear guidelines for RP and player created storytelling would be welcomed. This game has so much potential role playing wise. I mean a thoroughly enjoy roleplaying my rank an allegiance as something actually meaningful. If FD could just set up proper teams of staff members responsible for individual storylines and general in game events, that would be just blast. People would have direct communication with someone instead of a current system that has no or very little feedback.

Plus excuse me for just a few more lines:

[rp] Even though my allegiance is to Emperor - Praise Her! - and Empire, my primary responsibility is to myself and my consciousness and I can not and will not tolerate any act of terrorism, no matter how many veils the party involved use to wrap their heinous acts in. No amount of conspiratory propaganda, not even hints and suspicions of some background manipulations can justify succumbing to terrorism. And sure as Emperor's glory Miss Kahina's failure in the game of politics does not justify it either. [/rp]

Thanks for your patience, ill go restrain myself now .

 

[Jaiotu]

Your allegiations are ridiculous and based on non-knowledge. May I recommend to improve that knowledge about actions taken by the Children of Raxxla by a short read? It is very clear that imperial leaders and jurisdiction conveniently had themselves manipulated by shadowy forces to convict Salomé. It is human to prefer the easy answer but it takes boldness to question the evidence that we have been presented with. Do you have such boldness or will you go on sitting in your seat, letting yourself being manipulated?

[OOC]
We need more player-initiatives to influence the stories. We have been thinking about starting a discussion with FD about ways how to actually roleplay something ingame so that it gets noticed. We all know that only 1 of 10 galnet submissions are accepted and the reasons of a rejection are somewhat obscure (how can we know if something contradicts their stories?). In the end only pew-pew and heavy PR (videos, forum-postings, reddit) gets you some attention. That ought to change in my eyes. What do you think?

I for one love the idea of us players acting as characters in a kind of virtual stage play. Last week they published an article in Sol about Professor Steven Eisler being denied a request for data from Mars High Astrocartography. I flew my son's account (CMDR Steven Eisler) to Mars High and role played the situation. There was only a single CMDR in the instance to act as audience but it was great fun pointing him to the local news item and then explaining the mission of the Cassiopeia Project and reacting to Mars High denying my info request.

There is so much potential interaction between Commanders beyond the pew pew and the brief "o7"s.

 

[MAUXUS]

Hi guys,

recent sightings of System Security Ships at the CoR Listening Post Alpha by a CoR Patrol has created some curiosity....

I found one yesterday. I am in the EAFOTS region. I don't believe the system I am in (EAFOTS FA-A D4 A 1) is listed as a COR listening post but I might be wrong. BTW, what are we supposed to do when we find these? Do they allow any interaction of any type? I found a wreck, not far from the ship (in video at 3m:05s) but I can't recognize any of the things I know in game.

[video=youtube_share;ZjKDLl9KPbM]https://youtu.be/ZjKDLl9KPbM[/video]
https://youtu.be/ZjKDLl9KPbM

 

[flagoworld]

The star system that is 37.7LY away, further than the other star system you selected which is 33.44LY, is part of your plotted route which is most likely why you are seeing it in the NavPanel. It doesn't display systems further than 25 or something LY - I can't remember the distance. If you didn't have the 37.7LY system part of your plotted route it wouldn't be displayed if you just jumped into the system.

We're supposed to watch our 6, right? Soo... if it only shows the next system in your route, the one you're at, and the one you came from, what does it mean if you reference back to your route and unrelated systems appear in the nav panel whose distance > 20LY?

 

[Zeeman]

I'm adding my idea here because I thought, I really thought about going out there and searching for the Rift, but I honestly hate these kind of ARGs where by obfuscation is a replacement for gameplay. In the case of the Rift in particular, if the hundreds of obsessives of Elite, who could solve the location of an alien base from a screenshot in a launch video in a day, who clearly sit reading morse code instead of a newspaper with their morning breakfast cereal can't get close even after all this time, the clues have to be stupendously complex or just outright deceiving...

Here's what I was thinking; With it being Heart and Soul, it was one of the systems between the two nebula, not necessarily within one of them individually.

However the R-R line (which is spectacularly hard to plot just using in game tools, even now with the bookmarks) seems to run nowhere near either nebula from what I can see of people's out of game maps. That line in turn seems to point to the tip of the final spiral arm beyond the Rift. But it could be anywhere above and below the plane, or thousands of LY off the line, if this is even a solid clue.

And how does that relate to "The core of the problem"? One way I thought of getting an estimated location was using the edges of the central spar of the galaxy, the true core, and plotting intercepts with either the RR line, or using the two Nebula, running a line to the edge of Heart, another from the opposite side to Soul and seeing if there's a third point beyond that where either the two cross, or they also intercept the RR line. However, the galaxies are very close over that distance, and even taking opposing edges only puts a likely two line mark somewhere in the middle of the Rift at a guess, and I don't have the tools or knowhow to work out if they would ever touch the RR.

There is not, as far as I know, a Galnet article yet which shows the quest line is beginning as hinted. I did think about flying to the prison station named and scanning all the data points, but that was the point where my interest just died...

As I say, I really hate this kind of content where it's not possible, until hoardes of lore lunatics happen to get close to the real location, to know if there even is a recognisable solution... and then suddenly it's all over for everyone else. I want to be able to DO something in game and guide my exploration! I don't mind if I'm not the fastest and someone else finds it first, but I don't want to have to throw insane theory after theory out there because there's no way to work towards anything!

But... OCD!!!

Z...

 

[Arnjolt]

As above, but also, consider that the old woman's own clues are conflicting. she says she got to the rift in one part of the story (in the hospital), and say no one goes beyond and come back, and yet, her other clue (found in the hacked files later) she says you need to find a way through, and go beyond. Ther eis also the "follow the RR line until the stars thin out, then keep going" clue. So really, it's all a bit vague to begin with.

As for jump range of her Cobra... It's even more vague. 7LY was the limit of those times, lore wise, anyway, but the lore has been changed, so we are kinda clueless. Most would suggest about 20-25LY, and my own guess would be about that, and the fit out of a Cobra MKIII I would have taken to the 'Rift in Gamma, had I known of the mystery then, would have been about 23LY.

As for scary - not at all. Or at least, not yet...

Z...

I recall reading somewhere a quote something like, "been beyond the rift, seen the continents of graves from thargoids." I think it was something like that. I'd suspect any earth like worlds in or beyond the rift would be a good place to look. I would think a destroyed star port wouldn't show on a system scan but probably show as a USS of some sort near an earth like world.

I've been following the other thread, Alien Archeology and it sure feels like they're getting spoon fed hints while the Formidine Rift mystery gets nothing. Could the two things be related? I think that would be rather exciting if they were, the next alien clues leading to the rift and tie the two together.

 

[Zeeman]

I recall reading somewhere a quote something like, "been beyond the rift, seen the continents of graves from thargoids." I think it was something like that. I'd suspect any earth like worlds in or beyond the rift would be a good place to look. I would think a destroyed star port wouldn't show on a system scan but probably show as a USS of some sort near an earth like world.

I've been following the other thread, Alien Archeology and it sure feels like they're getting spoon fed hints while the Formidine Rift mystery gets nothing. Could the two things be related? I think that would be rather exciting if they were, the next alien clues leading to the rift and tie the two together.

That one is unrelated, from memory, just happens to sit nicely in to this little shindig. Seems to pop up every few pages in this thread, then discounted due to the source.

Z...

 

[CMDR Poet Starwind]

I tired applying the latin alphabet checkerboard against "Good luck, and ... right on," using "Commander" as the key, but wasn't very succesful in pulling coords from it. I have to admit, cryptography is not my strong suit.