Toxic community. Why so?

[Iain L]

The 2 toxic communities which spoiled games for me were the Counter Strike and the DOTA 2 ones..... the latter especially, i have never come accross such a nasty group of people, who basically told me to stop playing till i "got gud". I guess it comes down to those are competitive multiplayer games and I know as a player of other competitive games it can be a bit of a face palm moment when someone totally new to the game does something to cost the team... however the difference between a good community and a bad one imo, is the good ones try to help, without being condescending or rude.

That's my experience, too. And I kind of understand it - both C:S and the various MOBA games out there require you to be matched up on a team for 30 minutes or more, in games that heavily punish the side for having even a single weak member. If you're the sort of person who takes your videogame scoreboard seriously, discovering that you're basically locked in to the next half hour on a game that you know you're going to lose, and the options are either:

1) quit the team, and face whatever punishment the game hands out for quitting early (sometimes pretty severe), or
2) stay there, have a frustrating time ending in inevitable defeat, then take the punishment to your ranking that defeat brings

then I can imagine they would get upset.

But then, pretty much resigning yourself to being on the receiving end of that upset until you become an expert at the game is the reason I don't play them. I'm rubbish (well, mid-table) at CQC, never made it past the third boss of Dark Souls and so on, but I play them anyway because it's no skin off anyone else's nose that I'm being useless.

 

[Theodrid]

The usual suspects I see arriving and as usual, throwing the usual crap out first then start blaming others when lo and behold, people don't bow down to their slandering and punch back and then get accused of doing the same as they do.

Quelle surprise

'Throwing the usual crap out first'

Jex, your first post in this thread, (before Mike or I posted anything), accuses some forum users of being 'thick and childish' - run it by me again who is slinging the mud first?

 

[[VR] Mad Mike]

But then, pretty much resigning yourself to being on the receiving end of that upset until you become an expert at the game is the reason I don't play them. I'm rubbish (well, mid-table) at CQC, never made it past the third boss of Dark Souls and so on, but I play them anyway because it's no skin off anyone else's nose that I'm being useless.

True, i can see why it happens... i guess those games are just not for me. I am not a pro gamer, and i game socially... therefore if i am gaming in a MP game and someone on my team is a bit rubbish, part of the enjoyment for me is to help them, and equally if i am rubbish at a game (which i am more often than not) if my "team mates" want to make me feel like i am not wanted then screw it, there are plenty of games out there, i do not need that carp!.

perhaps these games should have a "pro only" mode that way those "l33t" players can go in them (of course even when these exist, often you get the "got gud" players choosing not to play in them, preferring to dominate in the other modes

i met some great people playing gears of war 2/3... some of them were truly rubbish, others made me look just as rubbish, but it was great fun. totally different midset i spose

i am sounding a bit buthurt now.. more so than i intended.

 

[TomP]

Considering other forums I've used I've never quite seen such a lack of misrepresentation or peoples posts, complete misunderstanding or refusal to accept evidence, anywhere. Not to mention the childish level of name calling and just generally being a bit thick - there's an ignore button for thos people.

There is an interesting phenomenon wherein those with low intelligence tend to vastly overrate their intellectual acumen, whereas the brightest tend to harbour doubt as to their own capacity. It's rather well documented.

 

[rootsrat]

[mod hat on] NO personal remarks and attacks please. Discuss the topic, not the posters. [/mod hat off]

 

[smiths121]

There is an interesting phenomenon wherein those with low intelligence tend to vastly overrate their intellectual acumen, whereas the brightest tend to harbour doubt as to their own capacity. It's rather well documented.

Saying it is documented - means you can read - haha got ya!

Simon

 

[KING5TON]

Well nobody in the community is going to say "Yeah, We're really Toxic here" now are they?

I do know that I used to post here all the time (I've got 2020 total posts yet hardly posted in the last year). Now I only post occasionally as you can't really get any discussion going about the issues with the game without being attacked by a certain set of users. All you get is nit picked, told you're a whiner, told to play other games, told that the game isn't for you (funny as I kickstarted it so I think it actually might be) and the rest of the tired now cliche responses you get when you dare to point out that certain elements of the game aren't that good and could in fact be better.

 

[Banana's_Are_Good_For_You]

I am Banana and you Humans are weird.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

or Gilly.

 

[Vorxian]

I haven't run across any other players, yet in the game. If you lot play like you post here, I think I'd Just assume give it a pass.

It seems like every time I visit this forum, there's some raging ... let's call it a "debate", going on. The fact that Someone recently felt inspired to make a thread called "The Positive 2.2 thread" speaks volumes.

It is, what it is. I have to wonder why, though.
It's really hard for me to believe that a game like this naturally attracted a toxic player base, and I definitely don't think that the people who are getting so hot here, are always that way. There's got to be something else at play.

Is this a new thing? From the language of the posts, I'd guess it's been going on long enough for the community to be thoroughly divided into adversarial groups several times over.

At this point, Has it just been generally accepted as the local etiquette, to meet opposition with nastynes?

Could it be something to do with the way the forum is arranged, or designed? Something else related? I don't know.

Maybe, it's something as simple as being a message board for a game with the word "Elite" in the title.
I wonder.

Heh Swan, if you really want a toxic base check eve out!

Here folks are passionately wanting to make elite better, and more refined. There are so many frustrating aspects that need to be changed, from PvP to impossible missions.. tempers flare, fingers burn at the keyboard, and posts are created.

What you have to remember, is that, when folks cant be bothered to post any more, and don't care enough about ED to suggest improvements, or report players exploiting credit holes... then you know ED is destined to fade from view.

Right now, though.. forum rage is as high as ever, rows and bickering is as high as ever discussing various key aspects of the game... and the white knights are as armored as they have ever been. Me? I have my popcorn, tinfoil hat, and my acme umbrella. It's all one needs to live through a fulfilling daily forum browsing session

 

[Zambrick]

Yes the Toxicity of this forum is just a byproduct of the game unfortunately. This game was partially crowd funded so there is large group of people who are unwavering on their points of view.

Some people want this game to be like Firefly. Some want the game to be like Star Wars, Star Trek, Lux, or Red Dwarf etc...
Others see this game as DOTA, LoL, or CSGo.

The game allows you to play the game any way you like, but others are trying to force their POV upon you.

A portion of the community wants competitive play and a fun environment.
Another portion of the community wants to kill other players and ensure that the game play is not competitive.
Finally a third portion of the community left it entirely because of the second group.

The third group is fine and they are off in their own little world be it in solo or private groups.

The first 2 groups are constantly at each other throat because they are fundamentally different. The first group understands that the game has its flaws and tries to act as one would act if humans actually made it into space to become a large influence upon the galaxy. The other group only interest is to find loopholes in the games logic or rule system and exploit them at the detriment of other players. They do these things for no other reason than that they can and they dont have a consequence. Even if that costs the developers time, money, or future customers.

The first group is both frustrated with the developers and the second group because they refuse to see what kind of influence this has on the public opinion.

The first group is of the understanding that human beings were able to make it into space because our ability to evolve and create new technologies. They rightfully are of the mind that the human race is evolving.

The second group thinks that humans made it into space in order to become better at mass murder and any other such atrocities. They are of the mind that humans are devolving?

Basically the first group sees the potential of the game in the future while the second group tries to end said future and turn it into a common FPS survival game. That angers the first group because they like the game and want to continue to play. That also empowers the second group because their sole focus is to drive the first group from the game and watch development halt and fail.

That is why the community has toxic tendencies. The game is different things for different people yet it was partially funded by a portion of the community. They think that they are not getting what they paid for. There are very few people in the world who will give someone else money in order to make you miserable.

Check out EVE onlines forums. The second group won in that game universe and they are all a bunch of miserable sods whose community is completely lost and closed to outsiders.

 

[Deleted member 110222]

I come from World of Tanks.

This game's community is fine.

WoT... Now that is toxic. Don't go there. Not worth it.

 

[JuicerPrime]

Yes we do.. completely voluntary no coercion or violence is use... Ow! Sorry Brett... I mean Master..

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[Ca$hback]

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[veelckoo]

We all should sing Kumbayah and praise Frontier Developments.
That would remove ALL toxicity....

 

[-Joe]

The reason for the Toxic?

Some posters post the most inflamatory negative nonsense, click bait.
Atention seekers
Some posters try to undermine Elite, because they themselves idolise a competing game. Which they stupidly believe more peeple would play if Elite didn't exist.
Some dedicated Eve and SC fanboys
Some posters rage quit after falling victim to their own greed and stupidity, then wall text reasons why it's the games fault.
No-Insurance tearbucketeers
Some posters want the best of everything, coz they want to be number 1 or something and whinge and complain when luck isn't with them.
King Kunuter's, Objectivists, Tearsoaked Whingers of RND
Some posters are outraged when they can't have the prize their after without having to work for it.
The lazy, The snobbish, grinding is for my valet not for me, who do think I am, someone that grinds, certainly not. I'm too self important for that.
Some posters are just joyless grumpy types.

 

[Mikey2305]

And then there's me ...

 

[Zambrick]

The reason for the Toxic?

Some posters post the most inflamatory negative nonsense, click bait.
Atention seekers
Some posters try to undermine Elite, because they themselves idolise a competing game. Which they stupidly believe more peeple would play if Elite didn't exist.
Some dedicated Eve and SC fanboys
Some posters rage quit after falling victim to their own greed and stupidity, then wall text reasons why it's the games fault.
No-Insurance tearbucketeers
Some posters want the best of everything, coz they want to be number 1 or something and whinge and complain when luck isn't with them.
King Kunuter's, Objectivists, Tearsoaked Whingers of RND
Some posters are outraged when they can't have the prize their after without having to work for it.
The lazy, The snobbish, grinding is for my valet not for me, who do think I am, someone that grinds, certainly not. I'm too self important for that.
Some posters are just joyless grumpy types.

The passive aggressive whiner gamer.
There are some posters who are not able to put words together without somehow claiming that their point of view is superior. Then they QQ when any change might affect their play style.

Then you have the gamer who calls the victim of the games shortcomings the cause of their own misery
Some people do fall victim to stupidity to be sure, but its generally not their own. Those people should be held responsible for reading the game advert and buying the game. Its their fault that since all new players are handheld from first day login until they are all multibillionaires in ED. Darn casuals with only 1000 hours in the game, they need to be beaten.

The Grinding is in your mind gamer.
Then you have specific people who think that spending hours upon hours of time doing the same thing over and over again equals a superior playstyle. You know the lazy ones who only have 500 to 2000 hours in the game. Those kind of losers. Its pretty much their fault for being lazy and snobbish.

Then you will have the hardcore Get Gud gamer
Its due to boosted ego or sense of entitlement that hours of grinding gives you. Its even better because generally they can barely fly out of the mailslot without crashing. Remember though that the instant I win buttons of specific engineer Mods combinations makes them the superior pilots. All because of the commitment to grinding. [rolleyes]

The aggressive, disruptive, attention seeking, entitled, antogonistic, who just happens to be the victim gamer [cry]
Then they take advantage of a broken system and blame everyone else for the hate thrown their way. All the while not taking any of those risks themselves because they hide in Private or Solo to make money.[zZzZz] The poor kid is just the victim here he didnt meant to shoot up that busload of nuns.

 

[-Joe]

The passive aggressive whiner gamer.
There are some posters who are not able to put words together without somehow claiming that their point of view is superior. Then they QQ when any change might affect their play style.

Then you have the gamer who calls the victim of the games shortcomings the cause of their own misery
Some people do fall victim to stupidity to be sure, but its generally not their own. Those people should be held responsible for reading the game advert and buying the game. Its their fault that since all new players are handheld from first day login until they are all multibillionaires in ED. Darn casuals with only 1000 hours in the game, they need to be beaten.

The Grinding is in your mind gamer.
Then you have specific people who think that spending hours upon hours of time doing the same thing over and over again equals a superior playstyle. You know the lazy ones who only have 500 to 2000 hours in the game. Those kind of losers. Its pretty much their fault for being lazy and snobbish.

Then you will have the hardcore Get Gud gamer
Its due to boosted ego or sense of entitlement that hours of grinding gives you. Its even better because generally they can barely fly out of the mailslot without crashing. Remember though that the instant I win buttons of specific engineer Mods combinations makes them the superior pilots. All because of the commitment to grinding. [rolleyes]

The aggressive, disruptive, attention seeking, entitled, antogonistic, who just happens to be the victim gamer [cry]
Then they take advantage of a broken system and blame everyone else for the hate thrown their way. All the while not taking any of those risks themselves because they hide in Private or Solo to make money.[zZzZz] The poor kid is just the victim here he didnt meant to shoot up that busload of nuns.

The passive aggressive whiner gamer.
Mmmm what is QQ ?

Then you have the gamer who calls the victim of the games shortcomings the cause of their own misery.
I feel sorry for those made miserable by their percieved game shortcomings. They need to play something else for a while maybe.

The Grinding is in your mind gamer.
Why not grind as you go? Mix it up a bit, don't be so single minded.

Then you will have the hardcore Get Gud gamer.
Why not commanders at least Get Gud at running away from trouble. Get gud at avoiding excesive danger if you need to.

The aggressive, disruptive, attention seeking, entitled, antogonistic, who just happens to be the victim gamer

err?

I only play in open mode.

My advice to you.. Grind away in style and smile whilst doing it.

 

[Swan Electro]

There is an interesting phenomenon wherein those with low intelligence tend to vastly overrate their intellectual acumen, whereas the brightest tend to harbour doubt as to their own capacity. It's rather well documented.

Well, Crap!
Either I'm too stupid to know how smart I am, or I think I'm too smart to realize that I'm actually stupid. What kind of chance does THAT give me?!...and, it get's worse;

Having read that interesting little fact, I think to myself, "Huh. Well, some things I do are pretty smart, but most of that feels like luck..OR IS IT?"
Maybe, I'm actually doubting my own brilliance. Hey, that's pretty awesome!, but now, I'm realizing that being proud of my lack of self-confidence isn't really all that smart ( and I should know, being all smart, and stuff, like I am.)
Oh, no! I'm clearly overrating my mental agility, which brings me right back to:
"Well, crap!"