Alien archeology and other mysteries: Thread 9 - The Canonn

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The_Sprite

The_Sprite
Mengy said:
Welp, time to revise my map!

I spent a good part of tonight at the ruins with a few other commanders, and we used multiple SRV's to do a lot of surveying. A few results from all of that work:

1. Multiple SRV's are more accurate for this kind of surveying than using ships, and easier.
2. We got numbers that very nearly matched Hamalot's surveying measurements.
3. Some of my previous measurements were indeed off, not by much, but by enough.
4. Taking exact measurements is almost impossible since the "top" of a peak or the "center" of a pad is slightly subjective, and just a wheel's length one way or another can add or subtract a meter or two from the measurement.
5. Surveyed measurements on site are much more consistent and tight than plotting lines in CAD on a JPG. If you could take an aerial pic that was guaranteed to be centered, level, and square, it might be doable, but I have no such picture, and the actual in game measurements are what I'm going to be using from now on.
6. The in game lat & long coordinates can't be used to measure distances like this. They just don't have enough unit places to get the precision needed.

With all of this in mind, I'm revising my map. It now looks like this:

http://i.imgur.com/gFHWSoA.jpg

Yeah, for the time being I'm putting ranges on some of the distances between systems. Let's call them "tolerances". Even with the markings and structures and guides at the ruins to mark the center of the pads, the pyramids have no such markers, so the "peaks" are more areas than points. And even with the markings on the pads there is still leeway on the actual ground with the SRV's for a meter or so difference. This isn't an exact science, and that is going to make interpreting this map (if it even IS a map!!!) more difficult.

My next job is going to be using these ranges entered into my 3D coordinate model (which works extremely accurately now) to find good candidate systems in the galaxy map which match not only the spatial coordinates but also the distances between systems measured from the ruin site, using both SOL and the ruins system as markers. After I have a list of matches compiled I'll post them here for discussion so everyone can see what my model turns up. My hunch is that it will only be a few systems total. My hope is that I find something very unique or obviously worthy of investigation. My fear is that I'll find nothing at all, lol. I'll know more tomorrow night.

For now though, I would recommend that commanders stop searching the two systems from my previous map, namely COL 132 SECTOR CN-Z B30-10 and IC 2602 SECTOR PS-J B9-10. The COL system is definitely out of range of the new measurements, but the IC system looks like it still might fall within the ranges, even if it's not a very interesting nor promising system. Still though, I'd hold off scouting their surfaces any further until I go through all of the ranges first.
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If you are still at the Ruin is there a chance you can see This from there. also could you take a Pic.
The Main Plateau of the Ruin looks kinda Similar and so does the 2nd.

http://www.screencast.com/t/WRRdEezgeAb
 

CMDR Poltergeist

CMDR Poltergeist
Ok... Does anyone happen to have screengrabs of the symbols at the base of pillars? Can't find them, I know they were posted by someone in this thread, but... You know... 440 pages [where is it] And I am a bit too far away from the ruins to go and take those myself.

Thanks
T.
 
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GodBlock

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CMDR Poltergeist said:
Ok... Does anyone happen to have screengrabs of the symbols at the base of pillars? Can't find them, I know they were posted by someone in this thread, but... You know... 440 pages [where is it] And I am a bit too far away from the ruins to go and take those myself.

Thanks
T.
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This?

sR3mBFw.png
 

chris

chris
Mengy said:
Welp, time to revise my map!

I spent a good part of tonight at the ruins with a few other commanders, and we used multiple SRV's to do a lot of surveying.
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Good stuff! FWIW I've re-run my trilateration code over the new figures, it comes out with 17(!) candidate systems (see spoiler below). Nothing jumps out to me.

My concern is that the average Canonn measurement between LPA and PA is 364.76m which is 1% off the Sol distance. 1% error in the other distances adds significantly to the range (e.g. 1170 could be 1158-1182). I've not taken that into account in the below list.

Wredguia XB-L b35-5 (-280.8125,-8.875,-296.21875)
Stock 1 Sector ME-G a12-1 (-712.125,-36.75,400.46875)
Wredguia XB-L b35-3 (-280.5625,-5.34375,-295.34375)
Stock 1 Sector ME-G a12-2 (-713.96875,-40.90625,400.59375)
Stock 1 Sector PM-V c2-15 (-715.65625,-41.15625,393.34375)
Synuefai AF-U a71-1 (-279.65625,-28.40625,-299)
Synuefai AF-U a71-0 (-278.75,-29.53125,-300.1875)
Synuefai CA-U a71-1 (-277.28125,-37.84375,-297.6875)
Synuefai AF-U a71-2 (-278.78125,-29.90625,-299.9375)
Synuefai OK-Y c17-10 (-277.15625,-28.09375,-303.46875)
Stock 1 Sector GU-Q b5-4 (-719.21875,-50.8125,386.8125)
Synuefai DV-W b35-1 (-275.5,-47.40625,-300.84375)
Synuefai DV-W b35-5 (-278.34375,-59.875,-296.09375)
Synuefai CA-U a71-3 (-280.375,-38.625,-297)
Wredguia CW-A c28-8 (-133.1875,348.75,164.875)
Swoiwns SV-K b1 (-767.4375,-164.90625,228.1875)
Synuefai CA-U a71-2 (-279.125,-40.34375,-296.90625)

Details:
Wredguia XB-L b35-5 (-280.8125,-8.875,-296.21875) to Ruins = 676.7049034602804, to Sol = 408.2645877771087
Stock 1 Sector ME-G a12-1 (-712.125,-36.75,400.46875) to Ruins = 1170.3652720912337, to Sol = 817.8311548550608
Wredguia XB-L b35-5 to Stock 1 Sector ME-G a12-1 = 819.8664287172027
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Wredguia XB-L b35-3 (-280.5625,-5.34375,-295.34375) to Ruins = 676.4037154895921, to Sol = 407.3963705463943
Stock 1 Sector ME-G a12-2 (-713.96875,-40.90625,400.59375) to Ruins = 1172.0637118888044, to Sol = 819.6950956329356
Wredguia XB-L b35-3 to Stock 1 Sector ME-G a12-2 = 820.6306555640988
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Wredguia XB-L b35-3 (-280.5625,-5.34375,-295.34375) to Ruins = 676.4037154895921, to Sol = 407.3963705463943
Stock 1 Sector ME-G a12-1 (-712.125,-36.75,400.46875) to Ruins = 1170.3652720912337, to Sol = 817.8311548550608
Wredguia XB-L b35-3 to Stock 1 Sector ME-G a12-1 = 819.382437633101
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Stock 1 Sector PM-V c2-15 (-715.65625,-41.15625,393.34375) to Ruins = 1170.68688979817, to Sol = 817.6655861305327
Synuefai AF-U a71-1 (-279.65625,-28.40625,-299) to Ruins = 675.6444637575668, to Sol = 410.38461618721163
Stock 1 Sector PM-V c2-15 to Synuefai AF-U a71-1 = 818.2899429078072
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Stock 1 Sector PM-V c2-15 (-715.65625,-41.15625,393.34375) to Ruins = 1170.68688979817, to Sol = 817.6655861305327
Synuefai AF-U a71-0 (-278.75,-29.53125,-300.1875) to Ruins = 675.1517313549322, to Sol = 410.71424662752145
Stock 1 Sector PM-V c2-15 to Synuefai AF-U a71-0 = 819.7608228261613
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Stock 1 Sector PM-V c2-15 (-715.65625,-41.15625,393.34375) to Ruins = 1170.68688979817, to Sol = 817.6655861305327
Synuefai CA-U a71-1 (-277.28125,-37.84375,-297.6875) to Ruins = 672.7423500354723, to Sol = 408.576661927569
Stock 1 Sector PM-V c2-15 to Synuefai CA-U a71-1 = 818.3567692380949
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Stock 1 Sector PM-V c2-15 (-715.65625,-41.15625,393.34375) to Ruins = 1170.68688979817, to Sol = 817.6655861305327
Synuefai AF-U a71-2 (-278.78125,-29.90625,-299.9375) to Ruins = 675.0868404786899, to Sol = 410.5799228492243
Stock 1 Sector PM-V c2-15 to Synuefai AF-U a71-2 = 819.5274368357428
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Synuefai AF-U a71-1 (-279.65625,-28.40625,-299) to Ruins = 675.6444637575668, to Sol = 410.38461618721163
Stock 1 Sector PM-V c2-15 (-715.65625,-41.15625,393.34375) to Ruins = 1170.68688979817, to Sol = 817.6655861305327
Synuefai AF-U a71-1 to Stock 1 Sector PM-V c2-15 = 818.2899429078072
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Synuefai OK-Y c17-10 (-277.15625,-28.09375,-303.46875) to Ruins = 674.7992880120447, to Sol = 411.94432625014696
Stock 1 Sector GU-Q b5-4 (-719.21875,-50.8125,386.8125) to Ruins = 1171.3363799690771, to Sol = 818.218449232271
Synuefai OK-Y c17-10 to Stock 1 Sector GU-Q b5-4 = 820.014389879455
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Synuefai AF-U a71-0 (-278.75,-29.53125,-300.1875) to Ruins = 675.1517313549322, to Sol = 410.71424662752145
Stock 1 Sector PM-V c2-15 (-715.65625,-41.15625,393.34375) to Ruins = 1170.68688979817, to Sol = 817.6655861305327
Synuefai AF-U a71-0 to Stock 1 Sector PM-V c2-15 = 819.7608228261613
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Stock 1 Sector GU-Q b5-4 (-719.21875,-50.8125,386.8125) to Ruins = 1171.3363799690771, to Sol = 818.218449232271
Synuefai OK-Y c17-10 (-277.15625,-28.09375,-303.46875) to Ruins = 674.7992880120447, to Sol = 411.94432625014696
Stock 1 Sector GU-Q b5-4 to Synuefai OK-Y c17-10 = 820.014389879455
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Stock 1 Sector GU-Q b5-4 (-719.21875,-50.8125,386.8125) to Ruins = 1171.3363799690771, to Sol = 818.218449232271
Synuefai DV-W b35-1 (-275.5,-47.40625,-300.84375) to Ruins = 672.021837152168, to Sol = 410.67574125229874
Stock 1 Sector GU-Q b5-4 to Synuefai DV-W b35-1 = 818.3941897427471
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Synuefai DV-W b35-5 (-278.34375,-59.875,-296.09375) to Ruins = 673.2032089546774, to Sol = 410.7697257322221
Stock 1 Sector ME-G a12-1 (-712.125,-36.75,400.46875) to Ruins = 1170.3652720912337, to Sol = 817.8311548550608
Synuefai DV-W b35-5 to Stock 1 Sector ME-G a12-1 = 820.9142798628932
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Synuefai CA-U a71-1 (-277.28125,-37.84375,-297.6875) to Ruins = 672.7423500354723, to Sol = 408.576661927569
Stock 1 Sector PM-V c2-15 (-715.65625,-41.15625,393.34375) to Ruins = 1170.68688979817, to Sol = 817.6655861305327
Synuefai CA-U a71-1 to Stock 1 Sector PM-V c2-15 = 818.3567692380949
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Stock 1 Sector ME-G a12-2 (-713.96875,-40.90625,400.59375) to Ruins = 1172.0637118888044, to Sol = 819.6950956329356
Wredguia XB-L b35-3 (-280.5625,-5.34375,-295.34375) to Ruins = 676.4037154895921, to Sol = 407.3963705463943
Stock 1 Sector ME-G a12-2 to Wredguia XB-L b35-3 = 820.6306555640988
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Synuefai DV-W b35-1 (-275.5,-47.40625,-300.84375) to Ruins = 672.021837152168, to Sol = 410.67574125229874
Stock 1 Sector GU-Q b5-4 (-719.21875,-50.8125,386.8125) to Ruins = 1171.3363799690771, to Sol = 818.218449232271
Synuefai DV-W b35-1 to Stock 1 Sector GU-Q b5-4 = 818.3941897427471
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Synuefai CA-U a71-3 (-280.375,-38.625,-297) to Ruins = 675.4222073659741, to Sol = 410.2572744632324
Stock 1 Sector ME-G a12-1 (-712.125,-36.75,400.46875) to Ruins = 1170.3652720912337, to Sol = 817.8311548550608
Synuefai CA-U a71-3 to Stock 1 Sector ME-G a12-1 = 820.2891169286366
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Wredguia CW-A c28-8 (-133.1875,348.75,164.875) to Ruins = 675.6624021215218, to Sol = 408.1044453093472
Swoiwns SV-K b1 (-767.4375,-164.90625,228.1875) to Ruins = 1170.580488759343, to Sol = 817.4496454532001
Wredguia CW-A c28-8 to Swoiwns SV-K b1 = 818.61118873389
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Synuefai CA-U a71-2 (-279.125,-40.34375,-296.90625) to Ruins = 674.1860790172287, to Sol = 409.50177664831324
Stock 1 Sector ME-G a12-1 (-712.125,-36.75,400.46875) to Ruins = 1170.3652720912337, to Sol = 817.8311548550608
Synuefai CA-U a71-2 to Stock 1 Sector ME-G a12-1 = 820.873806174897
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Synuefai AF-U a71-2 (-278.78125,-29.90625,-299.9375) to Ruins = 675.0868404786899, to Sol = 410.5799228492243
Stock 1 Sector PM-V c2-15 (-715.65625,-41.15625,393.34375) to Ruins = 1170.68688979817, to Sol = 817.6655861305327
Synuefai AF-U a71-2 to Stock 1 Sector PM-V c2-15 = 819.5274368357428
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Swoiwns SV-K b1 (-767.4375,-164.90625,228.1875) to Ruins = 1170.580488759343, to Sol = 817.4496454532001
Wredguia CW-A c28-8 (-133.1875,348.75,164.875) to Ruins = 675.6624021215218, to Sol = 408.1044453093472
Swoiwns SV-K b1 to Wredguia CW-A c28-8 = 818.61118873389
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Stock 1 Sector ME-G a12-1 (-712.125,-36.75,400.46875) to Ruins = 1170.3652720912337, to Sol = 817.8311548550608
Wredguia XB-L b35-5 (-280.8125,-8.875,-296.21875) to Ruins = 676.7049034602804, to Sol = 408.2645877771087
Stock 1 Sector ME-G a12-1 to Wredguia XB-L b35-5 = 819.8664287172027
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Stock 1 Sector ME-G a12-1 (-712.125,-36.75,400.46875) to Ruins = 1170.3652720912337, to Sol = 817.8311548550608
Wredguia XB-L b35-3 (-280.5625,-5.34375,-295.34375) to Ruins = 676.4037154895921, to Sol = 407.3963705463943
Stock 1 Sector ME-G a12-1 to Wredguia XB-L b35-3 = 819.382437633101
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Stock 1 Sector ME-G a12-1 (-712.125,-36.75,400.46875) to Ruins = 1170.3652720912337, to Sol = 817.8311548550608
Synuefai DV-W b35-5 (-278.34375,-59.875,-296.09375) to Ruins = 673.2032089546774, to Sol = 410.7697257322221
Stock 1 Sector ME-G a12-1 to Synuefai DV-W b35-5 = 820.9142798628932
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Stock 1 Sector ME-G a12-1 (-712.125,-36.75,400.46875) to Ruins = 1170.3652720912337, to Sol = 817.8311548550608
Synuefai CA-U a71-3 (-280.375,-38.625,-297) to Ruins = 675.4222073659741, to Sol = 410.2572744632324
Stock 1 Sector ME-G a12-1 to Synuefai CA-U a71-3 = 820.2891169286366
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Stock 1 Sector ME-G a12-1 (-712.125,-36.75,400.46875) to Ruins = 1170.3652720912337, to Sol = 817.8311548550608
Synuefai CA-U a71-2 (-279.125,-40.34375,-296.90625) to Ruins = 674.1860790172287, to Sol = 409.50177664831324
Stock 1 Sector ME-G a12-1 to Synuefai CA-U a71-2 = 820.873806174897
 

dynamicbob

Banned
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thats still a narrow enough area to begin some prelimary searching.

The insecticide CG resulted in a terorist attack, so it seems it wasnt to put down a thargoid invasion after all
 

AlexAndTheDJ

A
I have a question; I'm not so smart so I cant even begin to work out an answer:

At Col 173 yadda yadda, Barnards loop and the stars line up as in the elite meet video showing ancient ruins. However, I was curious as to whether it's possible for another system a little further away from Barnards loop could potentially show the same alignment? If so, how would one go about working it out?

The reason I ask is I feel Barnards loop appears slightly too big in the skyline for it to match the elite meet video, but if you head further away from Barnards loop, you come across a permit locked sector (Regor sector) - and since Col 173 yadda yadda has come up blank so far, I did wonder whether a similar alignment could be possible.
 
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Jorki Rasalas

Jorki Rasalas
RSM Lancaster said:
Here are a couple of images of the telescope from 'Research Facility 5592' showing its interior mirror depicting the stars it is looking at. They are much clearer viewed directly than in this still image.

Here is the hidden signal message 2/4 about why we should be interested in this mystery and research station!

http://i.imgur.com/OqLYHxL.jpg

Whilst this level of detail is interesting as to why FD would include it, the parabolic curve makes it difficult to identify individual stars, however it should be possible to use the F1 camera to look up from the ground at the area of sky the lens is pointing to. I will try to do that later this morning and that should be good enough to determine which stars it is pointing at.

I have also included one photo of the 'PFM' lettering and symbol in case that too can be recognised by anyone. I anticipate the M will stand for Mining.

HR 5991 1B
33.4697
-2.1700

http://i.imgur.com/erK18Ey.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/qbANslE.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/0Ra3GF6.jpg

OK I now have used the F1 camera to go inside the telescope and have taken two photos showing the view of space it is pointed at, hopefully this will help. The first photo included the bars which are part of the telescope, the second photo I have moved slightly forward to get rid of the bars and have clear shot of the sky. Where the vertical and horizontal bars cross should be the exact centre of where the telescope is pointing at to reduce the number of stars down significantly!

I have marked in red the approximate area the telescope is centred upon, someone with 4k screen could probably get a much better image than me.

I would need the help of others here to work that out.
One red nebula is clearly visible for ID purposes, as well as lots of stars. Opening the image in new tab gives largest size photo.

http://i.imgur.com/xiV2Vcm.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/G0kpwrb.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/8yk04c6.png
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But presumanly the planet is moving so the telescope direction is only 'correct' at a specific point in its rotation. Need to figure out the arc of sky it is tracking over a full rotation.
 

rizal72

rizal72
Jorki Rasalas said:
But presumanly the planet is moving so the telescope direction is only 'correct' at a specific point in its rotation. Need to figure out the arc of sky it is tracking over a full rotation.
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Too bad in 3300 they do not have auto-tracking telescopes anymore :D
I've two of them in 2016 ;)
 
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