Alien archeology and other mysteries: Thread 9 - The Canonn

[tomeagles]

I believe the "big thing" in 2.2 is really this: (asked after the initial video release of the gamescom "destroyed-cobra-moving-alien-ship")






I can't read it other than: "We can encounter them in 2.2".

i See where you are coming from, but to me hasnt been found is different to havent been encountered in context of speech one to me implies meeting something and one means finding something.

 

[rizal72]

I've been thinking (dangerous i know) but with the idea floating about that the site is potentially a landing pad for a large ship. some of the comments made in the live streams by the Frontier staff were along the lines of "we are surprised that the "biggest" thing in 2.2 hasnt been found yet, now whether this refers to the ruins per se or indeed a large ship / settlement no one other than them knows personally speaking it feels like the ruins and the items on their and the CG which was related to the new Engineer was to bring in some new engineer modules we will need further down the road. I remember seeing 2.4 title as "the Truth" and reference to some secrets being revealed personally speaking I dont think we will get the "end content" before 2.4 as things like the winter is coming, and the "The Truth" title for 2.4 were all pretty muuch prior to the delay in 2.2 release so if there is still the biggest thing to be found in 2.2 then I dont think we will get to the bottom of the story completely until 2.4 which means more awesome stuff to work on.

Expanding a little more on this idea, remember that MB clearly stated that encounters with true Alien/Thargoid ships could be already a thing in 2.2.
There must be some already flying around, to be found...

Remember?

Originally Posted by Ericlas View Post (Source)
Thank you for clarifying this. Your wording just raised a simple question for me:

Can we encounter them already in the live build? Oo

No this is a 2.2 thing. There is something coming before then though - the hunt on the 28th might be more interesting than you think

Michael

The hunt he's talking about, later took us to the first wreckage...

 

[Darkness Dreams]

I've been thinking (dangerous i know) but with the idea floating about that the site is potentially a landing pad for a large ship. some of the comments made in the live streams by the Frontier staff were along the lines of "we are surprised that the "biggest" thing in 2.2 hasnt been found yet, now whether this refers to the ruins per se or indeed a large ship / settlement no one other than them knows personally speaking it feels like the ruins and the items on their and the CG which was related to the new Engineer was to bring in some new engineer modules we will need further down the road. I remember seeing 2.4 title as "the Truth" and reference to some secrets being revealed personally speaking I dont think we will get the "end content" before 2.4 as things like the winter is coming, and the "The Truth" title for 2.4 were all pretty muuch prior to the delay in 2.2 release so if there is still the biggest thing to be found in 2.2 then I dont think we will get to the bottom of the story completely until 2.4 which means more awesome stuff to work on.

As far as I am aware there has never been a title for the 2.4 release. Its always been hidden.

https://community.elitedangerous.com/node/381

Where did you see this?

 

[tomeagles]

Seeing as how my map theory doesn't seem to be pointing to anything interesting, I'd tend to agree. Still, the one thing that greatly bothers me is that distance between the center of the large pad to the peak of the north pyramid: 368m, while the distance between the ruins system and Sol is also 368.4ly. That one to one ratio just sticks in my craw, and seeing how the rest of the ruins seem to be very deliberately designed the way it is, that measurement being a great coincidence just seems terribly unlikely to me.

Hopefully the puzzle will become more clear as we get more information and figure more of the ruins out. For now though my theory is just a curiosity more than a tool we can use IMHO.

It could be a combination of both, a landing pad and some form of navigational aid for those coming to or travellling on from the site

 

[stick152]

Obelisk audio data as stellar / planetary spectra

Okay, this may be a stretch, but bear with me...

I woke up at around 04:30 this morning with a thought nagging at me; what if the data I extracted from the obelisk audio are some derivation of stellar or planetary spectra? In other words, what if this is some form of this or this? Typically, those kinds of spectra have the lines going fully across the graph from top to bottom but, as I said, ours could be a derivation.

Food for thought, at any rate.

Here are some links to sites with good information on the topic:
Spectra
Variable Star Spectra Compared
Chapter 2 of a dissertation by Barbara J. Becker (figures 13 and 14 in specific)
The Fraunhofer spectrum of Sol


o7 Cmdr. stick152

 

[tomeagles]

As far as I am aware there has never been a title for the 2.4 release. Its always been hidden.

https://community.elitedangerous.com/node/381

Where did you see this?

Since the 2.2 slippage 2.4 references seem to have dissapeared off the site completely, but there was one specific mention of it when the season expansion list was posted originally called "The Truth" and mentioned that a secret was to be revealed. looking for more info on that at the moment.

 

[rizal72]

Okay, this may be a stretch, but bear with me...

I woke up at around 04:30 this morning with a thought nagging at me; what if the data I extracted from the obelisk audio are some derivation of stellar or planetary spectra? In other words, what if this is some form of this or this? Typically, those kinds of spectra have the lines going fully across the graph from top to bottom but, as I said, ours could be a derivation.

Food for thought, at any rate.

Here are some links to sites with good information on the topic:
Spectra
Variable Star Spectra Compared
Chapter 2 of a dissertation by Barbara J. Becker (figures 13 and 14 in specific)
The Fraunhofer spectrum of Sol


o7 Cmdr. stick152

INTERESTING INDEED.

I put your entire research on the Front Page, CMDR.

 

[tomeagles]

One last thought for the moment we know different planet types have different sounds in the system map. Could some of the sounds at the site be related to them in some way?

 

[rizal72]

Since the 2.2 slippage 2.4 references seem to have dissapeared off the site completely, but there was one specific mention of it when the season expansion list was posted originally called "The Truth" and mentioned that a secret was to be revealed. looking for more info on that at the moment.

You are right, I remember it very well. It was there for sure.

 

[stick152]

I put your entire research on the Front Page, CMDR.

Cheers!

 

[Han_Zen]

Lots of talk about Generation Ships on the last few pages. I'm not sure if anyone has mentioned this:

The most famous Generation Ship in the Elite game franchise was the Mayflower 97. It was mentioned in the Frontier: First Encounters journals which can no longer be taken as being 100% canon lore. Here's the text from the FFE journal:

Spoiler

Astronomers using Excessively Long Baseline Interferometry (ELBI) to conduct a survey of distant radio sources believe that they may have detected the “Mayflower 97” slower-than-light colony ship, which was launched from orbit around Luna in 2097.
ELBI remains a somewhat inexact science, because receiving stations are placed so far apart that considerations of simultaneity become an issue in interpreting the results, but the patterns received by the Distant Radio Survey group do indeed appear to show radio emissions characteristic of a Bussard ramjet moving with a relativistic velocity of almost 60% of the speed of light. The “Mayflower 97” carried nearly a thousand passengers and crew, plus domestic animals and extensive gene banks to aid in the colonization of Earth-like worlds which were presumed to exist around nearby stars.
Archaeological evidence suggests that it did indeed successfully reach its first port of call at Tau Ceti, but the fate of both ship and crew thereafter was unknown until now.
The ship’s tremendous speed in real space makes it impractical to attempt a rendezvous, so the “Mayflower” will presumably be left to continue on its way, bearing with it any descendants of its original complement.

I am not near the bubble right now. Maybe someone who is near the bubble could pop over to Tau Ceti and see if there are any tourist beacons referencing the ill-fated voyage?

There was another gen ship in FFE lore that was found in Tau Ceti. It was called the Ark Anubis. The people onboard were freeze dryed. The voyage went well but the waking of the crew failed. It orbited a planet in Tau for 500 years, before it was found. The people onboard were fine, although theire sense of fashion was a bit outdated.

 

[Whiteball]

Expanding a little more on this idea, remember that MB clearly stated that encounters with true Alien/Thargoid ships could be already a thing in 2.2.
There must be some already flying around, to be found...

Well, they could be the crashed ships that have been found ??

 

[chris]

Still, the one thing that greatly bothers me is that distance between the center of the large pad to the peak of the north pyramid: 368m, while the distance between the ruins system and Sol is also 368.4ly.

Though Canonn has an average measurement of 365 for this, so could just be a coincidence (or an orbital period )

 

[rizal72]

Well, they could be the crashed ships that have been found ??

As I already said, the first crashed ship was found in 2.1 thanks to the hunt MB talked about.

The question was clearly asking about meeting THEM "alive", and MB replied it being a 2.2 thing...

 

[Ericlas]

...ninja'd...

 

[chris]

Poking around with the audio a bit:

* Minimum of each symbol (short, long, block) I've seen within each segment (assuming the large blocks are segment markers) is 1 (i.e I've seen no blocks where a symbol is missing).
* The most occurrences of any symbol in a segment that I've seen is 11.
* I've seen segments contain between 3 and 31 symbols.
* The distribution of each type of symbol centers around 3 per segment.

 

[CMDR Llaneza]

Hello CMDR's i have one doubt about the listening posts. How do I find one? :S

I have tried and search it on Google but nothing appears so I came here for your wisdom [haha]

 

[frostypaw]

Lots of talk about Generation Ships on the last few pages. I'm not sure if anyone has mentioned this:

The most famous Generation Ship in the Elite game franchise was the Mayflower 97. It was mentioned in the Frontier: First Encounters journals which can no longer be taken as being 100% canon lore. Here's the text from the FFE journal:

Spoiler

Astronomers using Excessively Long Baseline Interferometry (ELBI) to conduct a survey of distant radio sources believe that they may have detected the “Mayflower 97” slower-than-light colony ship, which was launched from orbit around Luna in 2097.
ELBI remains a somewhat inexact science, because receiving stations are placed so far apart that considerations of simultaneity become an issue in interpreting the results, but the patterns received by the Distant Radio Survey group do indeed appear to show radio emissions characteristic of a Bussard ramjet moving with a relativistic velocity of almost 60% of the speed of light. The “Mayflower 97” carried nearly a thousand passengers and crew, plus domestic animals and extensive gene banks to aid in the colonization of Earth-like worlds which were presumed to exist around nearby stars.
Archaeological evidence suggests that it did indeed successfully reach its first port of call at Tau Ceti, but the fate of both ship and crew thereafter was unknown until now.
The ship’s tremendous speed in real space makes it impractical to attempt a rendezvous, so the “Mayflower” will presumably be left to continue on its way, bearing with it any descendants of its original complement.

I am not near the bubble right now. Maybe someone who is near the bubble could pop over to Tau Ceti and see if there are any tourist beacons referencing the ill-fated voyage?

Somewhere around here I have a piece of paper with the Mayflower's location worked out on it. When you crunch all the numbers you end up in a void between a bunch of stars and despite flying many light years in SC from all the surrounding stars nothing showed up to my great disappointment.

 

[Lance Huntsman]

Along the lines of the alien crashed ships...Are the systems or the moons identical? Possibly leading to areas where other ships are attracted to and could be in?

 

[clavain]

Okay, this may be a stretch, but bear with me...

I woke up at around 04:30 this morning with a thought nagging at me; what if the data I extracted from the obelisk audio are some derivation of stellar or planetary spectra? In other words, what if this is some form of this or this? Typically, those kinds of spectra have the lines going fully across the graph from top to bottom but, as I said, ours could be a derivation.

Food for thought, at any rate.

Here are some links to sites with good information on the topic:
Spectra
Variable Star Spectra Compared
Chapter 2 of a dissertation by Barbara J. Becker (figures 13 and 14 in specific)
The Fraunhofer spectrum of Sol


o7 Cmdr. stick152

You mean like I suggested back here?

I'm just not important enough for the front page I guess...

;-)