This is disgraceful, I certainly think Frontier need to respond to this anecdotal evidence.
Something along the lines of ''Boo Hoo'' will suffice.
Something along the lines of ''Boo Hoo'' will suffice.
An investigation into Frontier's actions on Combat Logging
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I completely understand that this only applies to me, but frankly, I don't really care what exploits and such other players are using during their playtime. Their game has very little to no affect on mine, and even if someone found a gimme a billion credits key combo exploit...so what? It doesn't affect my game. As instaconda exploit...again...takes nothing away from me. There is nothing even remotely approaching zero sum where someone else's gain is my loss.
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Has Mobious in their sig.
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Not at all.
I don't know the extent of Frontiers deal with Microsoft, but there may be certain legal or contractual or whatever issues with banning XBox players.
And if they can't ban xbox players, why should they ban PC players?
Err, no. Did you catch the recent question and answer session with Braben a month ago on 2.2 day? What did he say? So have things changed? Nope.
It's interesting how you say 'probably'. You see, FDEV have a problem banning anyone. They don't like talking about it because they don't like publicising the problem. The problem appears to be British law having priority over the EULA. Banning, even shadow banning for combat logging could well be in breach of law. Now they did ban/limit some for hacking the game.
Please refrain from shouty caps, Captain Basch, this is not 50 Shades
playing with words = lying. Saying half truths is worst than lying... I think the latter is an international saying... I'll tell you an example that I recall, I can recall some more but can't be bothered to use my mind for it... Search back in the newsletters FD has posted to verify if you are really interested: Mr Braben said that panther clipper is coming in a newsletter like 1 year ago? or was it a year and a half... he used the word soon... Soon became trademarked as a joke... a funny joke... that became a bad joke after some time...
When you say Panther Clipper is coming soon, with soon to be defined as something a bit vague but in general terms something coming next week? month? 3 months? half year, 1 year the latest...
How you acknowledge soon yourself? Define it for me thanks! Here is a thread I found just now... FD was showing panther clipper since august 2015.... (link here)
and here :
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Originally Posted by Pennyblack View Post (Source)
Hello David...
I want to thank both you and Ian for setting a standard in the original Elite, to which I have always gauged others games by and I am surprised that even today, in the way Elite Dangerous makes me feel which is exactly the same as it was thirty years ago. Rarely does any game have the same feel to it.
My Question...
As I remember the Panther Clipper from Elite Frontiers and so enjoyed it's use; how will the new version of the Panther Clipper measure up compared to old version and when will it be available. We've heard little about it and I do wonder which roleplay it would cover best. Your thoughts on this would be appreciated. Thankyou.
David Braben: The Panther Clipper is coming. It is a big trading ship - a bit like the Lakon Type 9's big brother.
when you say it's coming..... and 2 years have passed... what you make out of it? Is it a a lie or worst than lie, a half truth... It's a lie, even if panther clipper would have to crawl from one galaxy end to the other, it should have arrived after 2 years, or not?
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Ah right. I appear to have misunderstood you. My apologies.
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Did everyone miss the thread with the poll?
Nobody cares.
Nobody cares.
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Ok, so, yadda yadda yadda, combat logging is ebil, etc. I agree. People who combat log shouldn't be playing on Open.
I did combat log on an NPC earlier today though. But that was due to a bugged interdiction. Went from 50/50 to interdiction failed instantly. In the Beluga, which strangely enough is pretty good at winning interdictions, so i think you can understand i was a bit miffed at losing due to a bug.
Anyway, this isn't about PvE CLing, but PvP CLing.
I can't comment on FD's stance here, i don't know FD's stance. I have idea and theories, some of them ok, some not so ok. I'm hoping its down to one of the ok ideas, and not any sort of shennaingans on FD's part.
However, I'm trying to look at it from OP's point of view. Now, OP, ryan, if you truly believe FD are lying about an aspect of the game that is important to you, well.... if it was me, i'd actually quit playing. I would refuse to continue to support a game where I felt the devs had repeatedly lied to me and likeminided players about an aspect of the game that severely impacted my preferred playstyle.
Fortunately for me, this doesn't impact on my gameplay in the slightest, so i can continue to play in perfect happiness, with the occasionally tut-tut at people who are reported to be combat loggers.
I did combat log on an NPC earlier today though. But that was due to a bugged interdiction. Went from 50/50 to interdiction failed instantly. In the Beluga, which strangely enough is pretty good at winning interdictions, so i think you can understand i was a bit miffed at losing due to a bug.
Anyway, this isn't about PvE CLing, but PvP CLing.
I can't comment on FD's stance here, i don't know FD's stance. I have idea and theories, some of them ok, some not so ok. I'm hoping its down to one of the ok ideas, and not any sort of shennaingans on FD's part.
However, I'm trying to look at it from OP's point of view. Now, OP, ryan, if you truly believe FD are lying about an aspect of the game that is important to you, well.... if it was me, i'd actually quit playing. I would refuse to continue to support a game where I felt the devs had repeatedly lied to me and likeminided players about an aspect of the game that severely impacted my preferred playstyle.
Fortunately for me, this doesn't impact on my gameplay in the slightest, so i can continue to play in perfect happiness, with the occasionally tut-tut at people who are reported to be combat loggers.
There is a lot of 'information' about Braben and his history out there, for those who want deeper insight into FD. I'm not saying it is all necessarily true, but for anyone familiar with some of the backstory, well...they shouldn't be too surprised with some of the problems we bang our heads against today.
I'm very glad that I always used the legitimate version so far to remove myself from the game. So in essence I never combat logged to this very day. Still made for a nice execution vid
With that being out of the way...
Combat Logging (as in not waiting the 15 seconds) perhaps isn't the nicest of moves, however as those wonderful people from the SDC state that
"We don't want to ruin the game, we want to ruin your game"
by being mass-murdering terrorists (I got told they're all but roleplaying that. Folks, you got a lot to learn what proper roleplaying is), it is quite amusing to see those people that try to make everyone else salty start to pout and scream foul when things aren't going their way.
So everyone that uses CL to make a cry-baby out of any SDC or likeminded individual out there - do it. You're ruining their game just as they try to ruin yours. Quite balanced imho.
And sorry to say but SDC has pretty much lost all credibility by using violence as they did and do against innocents. Even though they think that by doing what they do they actually improve the gameplay, they're disheartening people who actually would've enjoyed playing the game their own way. As in, not getting blown their ships from under their rears by a Wing of 4 who interdict and then move on.
One thing sets everything in a new perspective for me though after reading through this here http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2016-04-01-griefers-or-saviours-the-elite-dangerous-players-causing-a-rift-in-space
44-year-old Australian Sean Alberts, aka CMDR Ornee Shaula, is, along with CMDR Sundae, co-founder of SDC. He says the group's roots can be traced back to rival space MMO Eve Online - a game considered much more dangerous than Elite.
"I was in Eve for five years," he says, "in most of the top tier clans. A lot of our culture comes from those Eve clans. Have fun and blow things up; at the end of the day, that's what Eve's all about."
And there's the root of the problem.
This is Elite: Dangerous.
It isn't EvE.
We didn't ask for your culture to be importet. This is a game that will grow over time and establish it's own way. Have the patience and see it grow into something different. I doubt you will.
And with that, off to sleep
Which definition of integral are you using?
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Imho it is pointless to discuss Combat Logging without including Crime & Punishment too, you can divide and conquer, black and white, slice and dice it how you want but whilst the morale justification for combat logging exists in a players eyes its a valid action to them regardless what the rules say and you will have a hard time throwing the rule book at them in the meantime.
Get Crime & Punishment in good shape first, then tackle combat logging imho.
Get Crime & Punishment in good shape first, then tackle combat logging imho.
Where does it say that PvP is the most important and only part of the game, and that there will be no Solo or Private Group because this would certainly kill the game within minutes if not seconds?
PS
ZIGGY!
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Sorry agony, I like you and all.. but IF a FDdev is "faking" support tickets this is a SERIOUS CONSUMER SERVICE FAULT... And by many countries a beefy check on many legal ways...
This could discredit the WHOLE company I mean look at NO MAN SKY, most of the STONE that is over it is because his CEO is crapping in the face of their consumers...I know Elite is much better than NMS... but in the end this is UNACCEPTABLE, if they come up and say, WE CANT SOLVE THIS YET, or WE ARE DEVELOPING something....
There's been an year since the last time we heard from them about Combat logging, in this one year how many people had exploited this thing? PVE and PVP!! there's no difference if you log to a NPC or a Player... is dirty move anyway! Now tell me... how many people asked for FD for a ticket because someone CHEATED right in their face and FD might be just "pretending" to listen? I'm Saying PRETENDING because its not proven....
Do you think that PvP guys are the only ones? Oh yes... Money missions happened isn't it? Oh i'm sorry... i forgot you guys don't like when they touch your CR/HR right? oh... ok!
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This is a terrible test, full of assumption and bias.
You assume that Frontier *must* view videos to gain evidence. You *assume* that Frontier only require one or two instances to see a pattern and act on it. You *assume* that Frontier don't have other means of tracking combat logging. You *assume* that Frontier will take a hard-line approach to occasional, or one-off, instances of combat logging.
You *assume* that them not following your poorly executed test means there's some great conspiracy, or that they're lazy, or that they just don't care, or...whatever.
You were looking for fault, and you found it under a very narrow set of conditions. Congratulations. But that doesn't make you a great tester or investigator.
Please, understand that you are not developer. You did not develop this game. You do not understand the complexities involved in network tracking and logging.
Please, also understand that just because Frontier did not pass your little 'test', that they are conspiring against you.
If it bothers you that much, take a break from the game.
You assume that Frontier *must* view videos to gain evidence. You *assume* that Frontier only require one or two instances to see a pattern and act on it. You *assume* that Frontier don't have other means of tracking combat logging. You *assume* that Frontier will take a hard-line approach to occasional, or one-off, instances of combat logging.
You *assume* that them not following your poorly executed test means there's some great conspiracy, or that they're lazy, or that they just don't care, or...whatever.
You were looking for fault, and you found it under a very narrow set of conditions. Congratulations. But that doesn't make you a great tester or investigator.
Please, understand that you are not developer. You did not develop this game. You do not understand the complexities involved in network tracking and logging.
Please, also understand that just because Frontier did not pass your little 'test', that they are conspiring against you.
If it bothers you that much, take a break from the game.
Honestly, this is not a serious issue.
It's spelt ''rubbishes''
I think you'll find I have Mobius in my sig.
Please show me the sarcasm tags...
I don't think this perspective is skewed at all; in fact I think it just confirms what we all sort of knew already. When they won't even look at the evidence that's laziness or unwillingness to deal with it, pure and simple.
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