An investigation into Frontier's actions on Combat Logging

[Kayweg]

I'd say the recent poll makes it clear that most players don't care a jot about combat logging and its a clear minority that try to make it into the cancerous game killer they claim.

It is cheating and it is an issue, but if you think banning anyone that does it will provide more targets in open I suspect you are very wrong.

Recent interest poll

Nah, i don't think it will provide more targets or anything.
Only thing i wonder about is, if ( note "if") this rule infringement is being ignored, what else is ?
I never believed for a minute that FD pursued combat loggers anyway, what the OP states merely is further conformation of that.

 

[Ozram]

If the connection of a player is faulty in any way. It's his problem. Other players should not suffer the consequences.
Open is an online game, a connection is a requirement.

I prefer the casual player loss by a wrong connection, to widespread cheating.

I imagine far more people are knocked out of the game than actually log.

 

[Shar]

Well the only 100% confirmed combat loggers are the op alias inspecter gadget and his groupies so the bans need to start there. time for frontier to bring the big stick out. It's the only way to discourage this kind of stupidity.

 

[Lateralus]

First, you had the right idea, but you didn't give it enough time. You waited a week for views. For something like this, I would've tested it over six months, at least.
You let the cat out of the bag to early, and now FDev could probably hide behind the excuse of being slow. Which isn't unreasonable considering the time between major releases and stuff....
Additionally, as others have brought up in the thread and on reddit, some companies do bans in waves. Maybe Frontier is using this approach.
You are trying to catch FDev with their hand in the cookie jar and merely caught them looking at the cookie jar.
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They closed the tickets without viewing the videos... This means waiting would be pointless as FDev are saying 'we've dealt with this incident'. I doubt they close tickets then go back and review them later, that would be an odd way of working.

 

[amysteriousstranger]

I hope they come out and say "it's the risk you take playing in open, try playing in a private group with people who share your playing style and eject anyone who combat logs". You know, the same line PVPers trot out when someone is shirty about non-consentual PVP.

Non-consensual PVP is you foisting your gameplay style on someone. Combat logging is someone foisting theirs on you.

Don't act all shirty because FD are tacitly accepting this status quo (which is what you expected to find, wasn't it?), their solution might be even more unpalatable to your tastes.

-BW.

Every person that has combat logged on me have interdicted me and attacked first, you assume way too much

 

[lokvette]

I read the OP, thought yeah man good on you, stick it to the man!

Skipped to the end and found it was from SDC, now slapping my self for being an ase.

 

[Agony_Aunt]

The forum is dominated by PvE players... most open/PvP players mainly chat on Reddit or Discord. A lot of them despise this place for it's perceived PvE bias and therefore don't post here, so I wouldn't rely on poll results.

I'd say reddit is also dominated by PvEers as well based of the threads and comments.

Discord your point of view is going to be skewed by which channels you are a member of. The Combat channel is dominated by PvPers, while the Exploration channel is dominated by PvEers. The general ED channel is similar to the IRC channel, predominantly PvE from what i can tell, at least based off the more vocal members.

 

[Mikey2305]

546 posts now... i must say that im quite surprised that this poisonous garbage hasnt been put to bed

 

[Lateralus]

I'd say reddit is also dominated by PvEers as well based of the threads and comments.

Discord your point of view is going to be skewed by which channels you are a member of. The Combat channel is dominated by PvPers, while the Exploration channel is dominated by PvEers. The general ED channel is similar to the IRC channel, predominantly PvE from what i can tell, at least based off the more vocal members.

Well yes, but I was pointing out that most PvP players don't come here anymore... Most of them either couldn't stand the member bias or got banned.

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546 posts now... i must say that im quite surprised that this poisonous garbage hasnt been put to bed

Closing this thread would be like throwing a lit match on to a pile of gasoline covered cardboard boxes.

 

[Agony_Aunt]

I'd like all SDC members involved in this 'test' to be banned for attempted black-mail.

Nope, that's silly. There is no blackmail going on here. They are presenting their "evidence" and asking for FD to stand by what they have publicly stated to be the case.

However, if FD were to do that, then the first accounts they can ban are the ones that combat logged during their experiments

Call me a jerk, but if i were in FD's shoes, and the result of this was to take a more hardline stance on combat logging due to this, it's what i'd do. Perhaps a good reason for me to never to publish a game

However, i doubt this is going to change FD's activities anyway.

 

[Agony_Aunt]

Well yes, but I was pointing out that most PvP players don't come here anymore... Most of them either couldn't stand the member bias or got banned.

Ah, true, so the % is probably a tad higher on other forums. Only a tad mind.

546 posts now... i must say that im quite surprised that this poisonous garbage hasnt been put to bed

Why? Its an important topic, regardless of your own gaming preference.

 

[badwolf77]

Every person that has combat logged on me have interdicted me and attacked first, you assume way too much

No problem, ban them from your group. Won't happen again, will it?

What do you mean that's not very satisfactory? Goose meet gander.

-BW

 

[Shar]

546 posts now... i must say that im quite surprised that this poisonous garbage hasnt been put to bed[/QUOT

Agreed, devs are no doubt pondering on how to deal with this lot. Harshly I hope.

 

[amysteriousstranger]

No problem, ban them from your group. Won't happen again, will it?

What do you mean that's not very satisfactory? Goose meet gander.

-BW

Well I only play in open play so I can't do anything since it looks like the evidence I presented was probably ignored

 

[Comrade Error]

Well the only 100% confirmed combat loggers are the op alias inspecter gadget and his groupies so the bans need to start there. time for frontier to bring the big stick out. It's the only way to discourage this kind of stupidity.

Nope, it isn't a 100%. There could be some quantum variations in the universe the OP into making this post. There it's not a 100% therefor he shall not be banned because we have to be a 100% about everything.

 

[Lateralus]

Agreed, devs are no doubt pondering on how to deal with this lot. Harshly I hope.

If the guys who did this get punished for it, there will be quite a strong backlash from the PvP community I would imagine. Best thing Fdev can do is respond honestly to it, not punish whistle-blowers.

 

[Gunnet]

There is no blackmail going on here.

Maybe not blackmail, but a few pages back they agreed that one of their goals right from the start was to disrupt Support.

 

[This Forum Sucks]

Nope, that's silly. There is no blackmail going on here.

Of course there is. It's implicit rather than explicit but "give us what we want or we'll spend forever reminding people that you're untrustworthy liars based on a flimsy pretext" is pretty clearly blackmail. Especially when you consider the way gamers have reacted in the past to, oh, I dunno, every single "controversy" ever? They don't have to spell out the threat here because everyone already knows it. Because of the implication.

 

[Wolf Starslayer]

Nope, that's silly. There is no blackmail going on here. They are presenting their "evidence" and asking for FD to stand by what they have publicly stated to be the case.

However, if FD were to do that, then the first accounts they can ban are the ones that combat logged during their experiments

Call me a jerk, but if i were in FD's shoes, and the result of this was to take a more hardline stance on combat logging due to this, it's what i'd do. Perhaps a good reason for me to never to publish a game

However, i doubt this is going to change FD's activities anyway.

My problem is with the 'test' and supposed evidence

1. No proof any of this ever took place, only SDC's word for it.
2. No Idea of the test samples or numbers , all we are told is 3 alt account took part
3. Published on the official forums after office hours, therefore not giving much right to reply time for FD.
4. Threatening to inform the media/bad mouth FD unless they 'act'

 

[veryinky]

While my suggestion about making Powerplay PvP only was not realistic, it was mainly there to show that there could be a mechanic which might give PvPers something to do that would not impact on the rest of the community.

It's a shame that this suggestion wasn't well received, I love it and have suggested it myself a few times.

Making powerplay the easy way to do legitimate PvP would be wonderful, as I rarely meet any hostile players while undermining or attacking since the "PvP experts" are all camping explore CGs (unarmed explorers) or trade CGs (lightly armed traders) or hiding behind a hill at an engineer's base waiting for someone to try and land or launch (slow moving target). I've never fought a recent "random encounter" with someone who didn't run away from my FDL or Vulture. It's really frustrating. Oh sure, they love to shoot at me when I'm in an Asp or trade Cutter going through the mailslot. My only memories of "random encounter"s where they didn't run was mostly because their shields literally ignored my weapons, or the weapons of the station, though this was months ago. This made me less forgiving of the current batch of "PvP enthusiasts" who whine about combat loggers just weeks after these same "PvP enthusaists" were happily exploring a bug with the station's defenses.

But yeah, with Powerplay becoming the official PvP switch, FDev could ramp up security response and crime penalties in non-anarchy systems to something akin to "man with assault rifle shooting at crowd" level police response and punishment. There'd always be the anarchy systems for non conformist PvPers to lurk and do their thing. This would mean that there'd actually be a difference between Permit Only High Sec, High Sec, Medium Sec, Low Sec and Anarchy, and this would be a wonderful addition to the game.