No, you were talking about whether or not punishing someone for doing something against the rules works. An actual consequence to your action works perfectly well as a deterent to most people. Fact is it does reduce the number of cheaters in a game. Do you really think that a game with no anti-cheater system has the same amount of cheaters as one that has? Do you actually believe this? Because that sounds like what you're saying.
An investigation into Frontier's actions on Combat Logging
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No, you were talking about whether or not punishing someone for doing something against the rules works. An actual consequence to your action works perfectly well as a deterent to most people. Fact is it does reduce the number of cheaters in a game. Do you really think that a game with no anti-cheater system has the same amount of cheaters as one that has? Do you actually believe this? Because that sounds like what you're saying.
While i would never call Fdev liers, -I'm far to polite for that- can someone send them a backbone. And frontier don't hide your explaination on the redit, hell this is your forum what are you doing. I can only assume you did not want to comment to the real playerbase instead hide on the redit. Not a good look.[sad]
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No, it ain't. The only difference is that you are effected by one and not by the other. I pirate players, if a player logs on me I do not get cargo. Player kills you with hacks or turns on god mode and you lose money or you can't get that huge bounty he might have.
There's an old chinese proverb that goes..
There's no fire that can burn a room made of stone.
Meaning all the combat log cheating you refer to, has to be the consequence of another underlying broken mechanic.
Lets all try to focus on that instead? Maybe FDEV prefer constructive feedback and suggestions?
See, now we're onto something.
What would be more costly, in theory ?
Loosing a few killjoys, or loosing a whole bunch of penalized PvEers ?
Look at it from that angle, and FDs CL policy suddenly makes a lot more sense.
Afterall, they are a company and need to make money.....or so people keep telling me.
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This^^^^^
Honestly is the best policy? They have/Had a chance, FD take it and turn this into an advantage, you have some clever people in Marketing/Sales, get their heads together, get them to earn their money and maybe you can turn this into an Advantage!
Go out an look up Guild Wars and Dhumm ban....the company that runs that game created an in-game persona that would find cheating players, publically execute their avatars, then the company banned their account.
In GW2 they have banned people for exploiting the game...even when something was the devs fault that the exploit existed.
Seriously, this has worked to keep the cheaters out of the game.
How many cheaters have you personally known that got banned. And I mean personally - not some nickname on a chat server somewhere.
First of, none. Secondly, why personally? I do not have many people I know personally who even play video games in the first place. Wonder why people don't cheat? Either because they do not want to get locked out of their game or they are better than that.
But if a business found it's customers cheating the company, nicking stuff, cheating the system, cheating our customers, of course any sane business would take action!! How do i know, well i own a business and any of my customers cheated my company, or my customers, i'd have no hesitation in banning them, reporting them and take action against them to make sure they could not do it again. then i would see how they cheated and close any loop holes in my system to try stopping it happening again!
The analogy is flawed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chlorine_trifluoride
""It is, of course, extremely toxic, but that's the least of the problem. It is hypergolic with every known fuel, and so rapidly hypergolic that no ignition delay has ever been measured. It is also hypergolic with such things as cloth, wood, and test engineers, not to mention asbestos, sand, and water — with which it reacts explosively."
Sand is basically ground up stone. Here is a fire which will burn a room made of stone.
So "real playerbase" is forum people? So those on Reddit, various Facebook groups, other forums such as ElitePVE, are not part of the playerbase?
First of all, let me set the record straight, I despise SDC. Particularly due to how many of their members engage in out-of-game harassment and whatnot. But, when there is a post such as OPs I do not believe that shoving it under the rug would solve any problem. You stated previously that it's suspicious that OP never posted in the thread other than his original post, that shouldn't matter. They provided as much proof as they can with the various ways provided.
When it comes to reddit, it definitely is worth more to respond there than the forums. Why? Reddit has a face further out than the forums has. Journalists check reddit on regular basis, people who don't own the game will check reddit on regular basis. Seeing as it's a big post with huge accusations against FD, it will gain attention from other parts of reddits as well. So no, responding on reddit would be the best option, especially given that they are known just as much on reddit as they are on the forums.
Frontier could've lied, or they could've spoken the truth. But you should be sceptical, not blindly believing. It would be good if they didn't lie. But seeing as Zac confirmed that those reports were not treated as per their procedure, what goes to say that others hasn't been proceeded correctly? Could it be a coincidence that only these reports were not properly handled? Sure, but what's the chance in that. Not saying to believe this, but raise an eyebrow, be sceptical.
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But nobody is stealing. They are logging of at a morally questionable time - yes. but not stealing.
Approaching 700 posts and as far as I can tell nobody's done popcorn yet?
Right then ...
Right then ...
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Don't forget Reddit's also a toxic cess pool and the ship posting from certain factions would be constant until they forced their point - here's more civilised on the whole (just) and I can understand why posting there was the priority.
Now a question - as we're regularly told about how very clever SDC are and they're putting this intense focus on combat logging in this P2P game what are the chances they've worked out a way to do a mini-DoS attack together on a player to knock them offline so they can then submit a report claiming they were combat logging and get them banned?
imho fdev are fools for giving them an inch ever. it's obvious what game they're playing and the harm they do
Now a question - as we're regularly told about how very clever SDC are and they're putting this intense focus on combat logging in this P2P game what are the chances they've worked out a way to do a mini-DoS attack together on a player to knock them offline so they can then submit a report claiming they were combat logging and get them banned?
imho fdev are fools for giving them an inch ever. it's obvious what game they're playing and the harm they do
Wrong
DayZ had a point where everyone pretty much combat logged, it's a perms death game if your not familiar, you lose Everything when you die
People would log off if shot at, change server move position (your in game position was saved across servers) then log in behind you or your team and kill you
Then they made your character stay in the game for 30 secs after You lost connection with the server and if the bot that replaced
You died, your character was wiped clean and days, weeks or even months of gameplay was lost
Maybe do some research first
It's one of many games that got the anti combat logging right, in a sense it is still a ban of sorts by forcing you to start the game again
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stop combat logging by stopping all the idiots whose sole intention is just to destroy every thing and everybody they see just for the fun of it
Considering the OP's problem with people turning it off and on again, that's surprisingly appropriate.
