The Star Citizen Thread v5

[Cmdr Eagleboy]

IF

That's the problem. Are they really able to do it when they still struggle to make a simple <<USE>> functionality reliable? From what I saw of 2.6 leaks it changed look but it's still messy and unprecise.

Everyone can have great ideas, Visions™. But making them come to life in a consistent cohesive whole is a hard task. And with their "fluff over substance" approach, I find hard to keep confidence they're capable of building "a game that the world hasn't seen so far", let alone everyone's "what I think it should be".

Issue is that they CONSTANTLY GUESSING WHAT WORKS OR NOT. And that's the whole issue with "we will release everything at release" tactic. Even considering amount of work and skipping on that - you simply don't know how people will react to full blown mechanics in the game. FD has walked away from lot of designs just because players felt it just won't stick. MVP was right way to go to develop SC. CIG blew it. Now they short on money and rushing to release SQ42 so they can get money to finish MVP aka SC 3.0 Alpha.

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Ok, now I have cut off time for being home and getting my popcorn ready. If 2.6 is released I will feast my eyes with new footage, if not - well, I will have this thread.

 

[Rolan]

19:00 GMT/UTC

I think I'll not be able to watch it

 

[Stormprooter]

I think I'll not be able to watch it

Not to worry, I'm sure there will be 10+ pages of TL;DR and analysis on this thread tomorrow morning

 

[Ian Skippy]

If you would have gotten the game in 2014, it would have been crap. What they aim for is a game that the world hasn't seen so far. I can wait another 2 years if the result is what I think it should be. If they don't deliver then, then they simply messed it up. There's a possibility that the project fails. So, wait and see.

Problem was, there were thousands of people who wanted the space game dream and shoveled millions on the devs accounts. Now they have to wait longer but in the end, the product is 10 times better (if released) as what the 2014 version would have become.

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All your replies are nonsense. They do not fit to what I said.

The project is huge, it can fail, they aim for something really big, production is very complicated, maybe the biggest game project in history of gaming, it takes years , ... stay cool and wait. All these complaints are silly. Judge the end product (as I said, if they manage to get it done). Judging work in progress is a waste of time.

That 'crap' 2014 game was supposed to be much more than what SC is today, on the doorstep of 2017. The promises increased in scope, the product did not however.

But sure, we'll see. Two years you say. That's what they've said every year since 2012...

 

[Barking_Mad]

As noted elsewhere it's Elite's 2nd birthday today. Here's Elite's development since release.

 

[VidarSnipes]

Ofc there are evac pod's in some ship's, just like there are captain's quarters, bed's, toilet's, mess hall, eva room, cargo room etc.
The big ships in Star Citizen are built to be lived in by a lot of personnel.

Said "evac pods" can't be used, so the game doesn't have "evac pods", it has some small rooms with "evac pod" stenciled somewhere on it. There is a difference, and I wonder how many things believed to be in SC currently are just that, a bit of smoke and mirrors that looks good in a passing mention or in a press release. Nice try with distracting people with a random video, btw.

 

[frostypaw]

From reddit/Sandi's facebook:

Star Marine drill sergeant nonsense confirmed! Fake walls confirmed! Silly 20th century hats confirmed!

 

[Stigbob]

Said "evac pods" can't be used, so the game doesn't have "evac pods", it has some small rooms with "evac pod" stenciled somewhere on it. There is a difference, and I wonder how many things believed to be in SC currently are just that, a bit of smoke and mirrors that looks good in a passing mention or in a press release. Nice try with distracting people with a random video, btw.

Remove all the theory crafting there's not really much left at all, a broken tech demo, ship sales and a whole pile of missed dates.

If this game ever does get finished the NMS style theory-crafted to stupendous heights under-delivery MVP meltdown is going to be (in the words of the warlord) epic.

 

[ianw]

From reddit/Sandi's facebook:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CzwcQMQUUAAw8R9.jpg:large

Star Marine drill sergeant nonsense confirmed! Fake walls confirmed! Silly 20th century hats confirmed!

Excellent! Everything appears to be proceeding as anticipated...

 

[Cmdr Eagleboy]

Excellent! Everything appears to be proceeding as anticipated...

Awkward movie/sci fi game references - check!
No show patch showed on stream - check!
Nervous smiles of presenters - check!

edit: if serous I don't understand that screenshot - it looks like video being prepared....feels like no SM patch launch today then.

 

[Stormprooter]

Remove all the theory crafting there's not really much left at all, a broken tech demo, ship sales and a whole pile of missed dates.

If this game ever does get finished the NMS style theory-crafted to stupendous heights under-delivery MVP meltdown is going to be (in the words of the warlord) epic.

Couldn't agree more.
As for todays "livestream", I am expecting to be once again dissappointed to not have 2.6 to download and try myself, and at the same time I will be entertained by the excuses given.
I am not going to watch it live - I'm either going to be at a party, or if that doesn't happen (Mrs Storm is not feeling too well) I will be playing Elite.
I'll catch up on here tomorrow morning, I'm expecting at least 30-45 minutes of reading to do

 

[BurnyBurns]

Ofc there are evac pod's in some ship's, just like there are captain's quarters, bed's, toilet's, mess hall, eva room, cargo room etc.
The big ships in Star Citizen are built to be lived in by a lot of personnel.

Yes they're designed to be living spaces. And currently they offer all the functionality of using the hell out of the <<use>> prompt, in order to watch some akward headwobbling and a non-interactive animation, whenever we're close to these things. If we're lucky, the animation does not go haywire and glitch out, too. It's about Operation Flashpoint (the original one) levels of interactivity with all these things, only without game mechanics attached. But sure, it's promised to end up as cocktail mixing mechanic and whatnot.

 

[Cmdr Eagleboy]

I think major crux is this "create it, and gameplay will come" approach, which I flat out disagree. Doesn't feel that CIG has any constructive idea how gameplay will spin out in the end. That leaves us with basically ship erotica - tantalising concepts of they what they could be but most likely will never live up to expectations.

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Couldn't agree more.
As for todays "livestream", I am expecting to be once again dissappointed to not have 2.6 to download and try myself, and at the same time I will be entertained by the excuses given.
I am not going to watch it live - I'm either going to be at a party, or if that doesn't happen (Mrs Storm is not feeling too well) I will be playing Elite.
I'll catch up on here tomorrow morning, I'm expecting at least 30-45 minutes of reading to do

If you are in beta program, be sure to test new outfitting changes and try to wing up as there's lineup of networking fixes.

 

[CMDR_Orlando]

FOlka! Stop moaning about SC. You backed a game development and that's wahat you got. An unfinished product.

Tha game is so huge that it will take another 2 years till it's done (v 1.0).

Buying car parts that habe to get assembled means that before that is done you cant drive. Why do people expect anything else with SC. If you dont want do get disappointed for years, stop backi g game development or be happy wirh what you get.

But please stop moaning until you get the final product.

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Said "evac pods" can't be used, so the game doesn't have "evac pods", it has some small rooms with "evac pod" stenciled somewhere on it. There is a difference, and I wonder how many things believed to be in SC currently are just that, a bit of smoke and mirrors that looks good in a passing mention or in a press release. Nice try with distracting people with a random video, btw.

Well I don't know what's your problem with ship's having Evac Pod's, Kitchen's, Toilets that are not usable, they are there modelled in the ship, that's the point.
Oh and you might want to check the start of the "evac pod" conversation and notice that it was used in a light cheeky joke's context and was never about game features.

Still holding that "2014 release" to ransom? Talk about beating a dead horse with a stick! [squeeeee]

I wonder if any other studios/dev's/games end up changing deadlines or/and cutting features...
Nop just CIG , can't remember anyone else.

Oh yeah I just totally posted that video to "distract" people into thinking that Evacuation Pod's mechanic is in Star Citizen (so awesome) and make them go buy a Starfarer. Totally. [rolleyes]

How do we say here? Buy An Idris! (it has evac pod's that may or not evac you)

 

[marx]

If you would have gotten the game in 2014, it would have been crap.

I'm sorry, but this sentence cracked me up so much that I had to just pop in and quote it. Thinking back on how the crowdfunding campaign for Star Citizen originally went (before Chris Roberts started having new visions), this is glorious.
Well, unless you actually meant that if they released what they actually had done by 2014, as opposed to what they had promised, that would have been crap. What was it that they had released by then, the Hangar and the first iteration of the Dogfighting Module?

 

[Pomerlaw]

Nintendo almost always delays Zelda games and they are almost always awesome.
I don't trust Roberts as much as Miyamoto though lol

Hope something great today in the stream!

 

[Jezzah]

It looks like there will be a shouty bloke in a marine drill instructor hat the inspiration for which will no doubt have been pulled, extracted and filtered from every tv/film instance of such ever.

And ships. Buy them!

 

[Stormprooter]

I think major crux is this "create it, and gameplay will come" approach, which I flat out disagree. Doesn't feel that CIG has any constructive idea how gameplay will spin out in the end. That leaves us with basically ship erotica - tantalising concepts of they what they could be but most likely will never live up to expectations.

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If you are in beta program, be sure to test new outfitting changes and try to wing up as there's lineup of networking fixes.

Hardly anyone in the wing I am part of has beta access (I do as an alpha backer). All I was intending to do this evening was have one last blast of bounty hunting in my FdL before I set out into the black on my first exploration trip (it's been a long time coming).

 

[VidarSnipes]

Well I don't know what's your problem with ship's having Evac Pod's, Kitchen's, Toilets that are not usable, they are there modelled in the ship, that's the point.
Oh and you might want to check the start of the "evac pod" conversation and notice that it was used in a light cheeky joke's context and was never about game features.

The problem is that kitchens and toilets will never be usable, they're there to provide a bit of verisimilitude, while "evac pods" are supposed to have game mechanics tied to them. And unless there are such mechanics, "evac pods" are just some additiional rooms. It's the same thing with Constellation and its' snub fighter, just because there's a cockpit of the fighter modelled inside doesn't mean that shipborne fighters are in the game.

Oh yeah I just totally posted that video to "distract" people into thinking that Evacuation Pod's mechanic is in Star Citizen (so awesome) and make them go buy a Starfarer. Totally. [rolleyes]

Thanks, that's just what I needed.

 

[Asylum]

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Well I don't know what's your problem with ship's having Evac Pod's, Kitchen's, Toilets that are not usable, they are there modelled in the ship, that's the point.
Oh and you might want to check the start of the "evac pod" conversation and notice that it was used in a light cheeky joke's context and was never about game features.

Still holding that "2014 release" to ransom? Talk about beating a dead horse with a stick! [squeeeee]

I wonder if any other studios/dev's/games end up changing deadlines or/and cutting features...
Nop just CIG , can't remember anyone else.

Oh yeah I just totally posted that video to "distract" people into thinking that Evacuation Pod's mechanic is in Star Citizen (so awesome) and make them go buy a Starfarer. Totally. [rolleyes]

How do we say here? Buy An Idris! (it has evac pod's that may or not evac you)

Difference between other games getting delayed and SC is the money exchange up front. If CR banks off his predictions they should carry more weight than a developer who hasn't collected x hundred million from backers. And most games don't get delayed 2 years...that's not a delay vs it was never an option.

Even back at KS he should have been much more respectful of game development timeline (didn't even come close to original spec game end of 2014) and he held accountable to that.

Instead he has people like yourself who defend and re interpret what was said and change the context to fit the new narrative.

part of my issue with them is changing the context of what was clearly said when things dont work out that way.

So please don't generalize "games never get delayed" with SC cause they are not on common ground.