General / Off-Topic UK News: Snoopers Chater Passing into Law

Minonian

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Minonian
Martian Successor said:
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Oh? One more thing! :D
Power not corrupts.
Power just reveals what's within you?
After all? You don't need to hide your darker side anymore in fear from retribution.

Edit; Or so they think... But practice in many times have the tendency disprove this.
 
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Cydramech

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It would not even be extreme to say terrorism, as far as the majority-held western concept thereof is concerned, does not even exist. That it is in fact a racist, xenophobic fantasy to blame 9/11 or any other "terrorist attack" on a middle eastern organization (which is exactly how these laws are justified), since it is in fact the case that the west created these groups in the first place. Funny how the extremes of both sides like Chomsky understand this, yet a bunch of supposed moderates do not (and therefore, moderates really aren't so moderate but should be viewed as extremists).
 

Pyrotiger

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FuzzySpider said:
Yes, because an honest person has nothing to fear from the state
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Not true. An honest person can have everything to fear from the state. My family got dumped on from a height because we refused to alter a witness statement in support of the security forces. Until this point, I thought that the state would happily fulfil its side of the Social Contract etc. and those who criticised the powers that be just had chips on their shoulders. Not necessarily the case.

I am not saying that the 'state' and its apparatus is evil, or there is a mass conspiracy run by the Lizard men. Institutions will do what is in their best interest, and if this doesn't coincide with civic responsibility, then they will cover up, fabricate and delay the truth so when it comes out, people have retired and they can point to some reform of their institution so they can claim it 'will never happen again'. But it inevitably does.

It's not personal. While everything changes, everything still really remains the same. That's people.

The internet crosses borders and threatens entrenched interests. Voices without power and money can be heard. Do you think this would be allowed to go unchecked?
 
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SystematicChaos

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Minonian said:
Over hyped? I guess you are right... There is nothing fearful or excessive in to drive in the celebrating masses with a truck, or massacre an entire newspaper crew, go to killing spree in a threater filled with a metal band's fan's, blew up an entire airport filled with people, fly in two skycarper with jumbo jets, blow up metro stations, that's allright and normal, just the everyday routine how the world goes by...
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The Paris attacks were coordinated via mobile phones and SMS and Bin Laden never used electronic communications, but I see you've swallowed all the hyperbole. If I can create a secure site-to-site vpn, so that all my traffic pops out onto the Internet via another country, then I'm sure more organised groups can do it as well.
 
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Yaffle

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SystematicChaos said:
It was already ruled illegal by the High Court. It was passed to the ECJ on appeal.

https://www.liberty-human-rights.or...n-dripa-challenge-government-surveillance-law
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Indeed. The same High Court that Iain Duncan Smith wants to have 'more accountable' or, only have judges that will agree with him and not the law.

The other point is that outside the EU the UK can remove EU related legislation which is the issue here, and on that judges cannot opine. They just interpret what's there.
 

SystematicChaos

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I'm not sure what IDS has got to do with anything because he's just a backbencher these days. He's not even a member of the Justice Committee.
People coming to this forum must think that the UK was a tin-pot dictatorship full of oppressed peasants and serfs before the beloved EU rode in to our rescue.
Just reflect on the fact that once an appeal has been lost, in the ECJ, and a bad EU law has become reality there is absolutely nothing that you can do about it ever.
It might not bother you, but it sure scares the hell out of me everytime I think about it.
 
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lysan

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JonnyC0mbat said:
What are you doing on the internet that worries you so much? If they really are that interested in my internet habits, they're going to be pretty bored.

Besides, the UK Government doesn't have enough personnel to prevent much of anything, let alone monitor people in vast numbers. This was always going to happen, and probably should have happened sooner.
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I think you got it upside down, it's not what you're doing, its what the system are doing to control the population, they take away rights little by little until nothing is left.

What you are losing are your private freedom and privacy.
 
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JonnyC0mbat

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Lysander lysan said:
I think you got it upside down, it's not what you're doing, its what the system are doing to control the population, they take away rights little by little until nothing is left.

What you are losing are your private freedom and privacy.
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I now admit I was wrong after doing a lot more reading about it.

You're right, it's death by a thousand paper cuts.
 
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