Alien archeology and other mysteries: Thread 9 - The Canonn

[Pumabear8]

There should be 3 Barnacles on Merope 5 C according to this. Barnacle 3 appears to be that one. Very close Coords

https://unwantedusername.github.io/elitePlanet/

Just change location to Merope

Thanks, I've seen the others, the one I mentioned was my first discovery(since I started playing Elite) without the aid of the forums, I was leaving a barnacle already known, nothing to salvage, then I noticed something far off in the distance, looked like another Farragut, that got my attention, I get the feeling Frontier are using them as marker flags *laughs*; anyway, came away with cargo full of meta-alloy, and feeling satisfied I made a discovery without help(except a huge flag called Argonaut of course).

 

[StonedThoughts]

Specto image of the Audio right before the scan (-85% speed), seems to just apear there:

Spoiler

edit: without zooming in

Spoiler

 

[M. Volgrand]

Specto image of the Audio right before the scan (-85% speed), seems to just apear there:

Spoiler

http://i.imgur.com/PbtmjOp.jpg

with your consent, I'm going to share this through twitter to the hashtag #HyperdictionResearch

 

[Tomtom]

It is still an odd looking flare (to me) in that the line of double lines stay horizontal (with up/down displacement that seems proportional to height of the lines) whereas lens-flares in e.g. DSLR photography are radial. This could be down to the rendering engine (by design or artifact) or an aesthetic choice by the devs. (Obviously they wouldn't be trolling us would they...)

Yeah. It's important to remember that it's an artificial lens flare, programmed by a gfx coder, so doesn't necessarily have to behave like a real life reflections-refractions-diffractions flare.

I still think there's a message there - perhaps in the sound, or the flashing of the lights - but not in the shape of the flare.

 

[Spruxxx]

That's a good question. It is known that the Hyperspace (Witchspace) is actually harmful for the human ships. Maybe they pull us to normal space to protect us, or maybe witchspace is so unpredictable that they cannot do
whatever they are doing in there.

Indeed quite possibly, and the same is true in reverse for them. So they may be attempting to bridge the gap. On the other hand, if they truly live in hyperspace, and can create 'structures' and build the technology we have seen, then they must have a means to maintain reasonable control, or perhaps they utilise different space for different purposes.

It's entirely possible that they don't 'live' in hyperspace, and just have more advanced interdiction capabilities. The warp tunnel they create may look very cool (and green!), but our ships create a tunnel too, don't they? Their drive is scanned by our sensors as an FSD, so we can't make too many assumptions about their daily existence yet

Yes, that could be and probably simply is the case, tho it could be taking something it needs which isn't an object.

Just before the scan starts the craft wings all move apart slightly, so there is some kind of exposure to areas around the centre of the craft,
I think on close up pictures people have captured they look like small holes or openings, after the scan finishes the craft wings then close again and it leaves.

It's a bit like what we would do to collect something, except we open and close a cargo hatch

I wondered if they were extracting the resources for repair, like the UAs - but our ships don't take damage from the scan. I do want to see what happens if one of these decides to load up on meta alloys, as we still don't know what their intended purpose is...

 

[frostypaw]

Yeah. It's important to remember that it's an artificial lens flare, programmed by a gfx coder, so doesn't necessarily have to behave like a real life reflections-refractions-diffractions flare.

I still think there's a message there - perhaps in the sound, or the flashing of the lights - but not in the shape of the flare.

Then why does no other flare at any point anywhere in the game break up so tidily into parts like that?

It's still deeply suspicious to me.

"This is System Security, all pilots will submit to scans"

 

[Makaan]

Another question...why would they pull us out of hyperspace into normal space? If hyperspace is their natural habitat, why not keep us there and scan us?

Perhaps they do wish to deal with us on our terms? Or perhaps some of the technology they are using in the encounter is either less effective, or ineffective, for some reason in hyperspace...


Earlier I had a thought that their ships may deteriorate outside of witchspace if the technology is similar to the UAs. And this may be why they are farming meta alloys in resource rich zones - it could allow them to sustain themselves here for long enough to achieve something, such as finding something they are looking for, or to establish a foothold for colonisation.

Either way, something is prompting them to come out of witchspace and interact with us, possibly at risk to themselves. Our increased use of FSD drives would only partly explain it, because as the latest Galnet article states, this technology in its various evolutions is not new in the Elite universe.

This seems very plausible to me. All of this is definitely the Thargoids. I'm guessing the mycoid virus is 100% canon?

Has any wondered if FD have altered the virus so that it actually caused the deterioration of Thargoid tech within our space? (Is this too much of a stetch?) And this is their way of combating it?

Or does anyone think this is related to the virus at all?

Perhaps the Thargoids don't work like us, perhaps they're not seeking revenge. They were far more advanced than us but we developed a virus that beat them. Maybe they're now willing to communicate/co-operate with us out of some form of respect....

I don't know, it's gotta be linked some way haha.

 

[StonedThoughts]

with your consent, I'm going to share this through twitter to the hashtag #HyperdictionResearch

Feel free to do so, would be happy if it helps with something

 

[Surl Tesh-echer]

I really had to go and check that . The first video is a compilation of videos. If you see any uncut video you'll see that the time does not change . But well spotted, commander!

What? But it's even 19:30 when he jumps out of hyperspace and his hud is blinking. After that there is a sequence and it's 20:30. There is cut there? And btw. is NPC (anaconda) always at this encounter?

Edit : NPC is some bug?

 

[ExoForce]

So I've noticed that the US never touches the craft but obviously has some form of gravity field. This to me explains how the winterdiction happens.

Ship generates a gravity pocket which is similar to falling out of super cruise when a ship gets too close to a sun/planet.

Further evidence of gravity manipulation is the push back effect experienced by pilots who have attempted to enter the unknown wake.

Good one, approved. Alien ship creates a ion field around it that twists space and time, so it will create a vacuum. Because of that, the gravity is stronger in front of the ship then on the back, You can catch the ship but You will be pushed back from the portal if You try to jump in front of the alien ship. Simple.

 

[Owsla]

I think that's way too overthought. It would be really stupid (for the alien tech, not for your post ) to actually depend on another race's ship in roder to travel through the galaxy. How did they come there in the first place?

I have serious doubts that your idea is the case. But let's put it inside the "maybe" section. Who knows, you may prove me wrong.

Well, I'd say it doesn't depend on our ships to travel through the galaxy,
but if it needed to it could use something we have, if for example it was running low on some kind of energy source.
If it is the case, I believe it could be something we don't even know we have, something we possess that is unknown to us.

Tho I will say.. Yeah, defo bang that one on the maybe, possibly even the very slightly possible pile.

 

[Spruxxx]

This seems very plausible to me. All of this is definitely the Thargoids. I'm guessing the mycoid virus is 100% canon?

Has any wondered if FD have altered the virus so that it actually caused the deterioration of Thargoid tech within our space? (Is this too much of a stetch?) And this is their way of combating it?

Or does anyone think this is related to the virus at all?

Perhaps the Thargoids don't work like us, perhaps they're not seeking revenge. They were far more advanced than us but we developed a virus that beat them. Maybe they're now willing to communicate/co-operat with us out of some form of respect....

I don't know, it's gotta be linked some way haha.

As far as I understand it, nothing before Elite: Dangerous is officially canon any more - all hearsay, rumour, and ancient history

So it gives FD free reign to reinvent everything that they wish to. I'm sure they will draw on the old themes (I find it hard to believe that these alien ships, with eight appendages, is complete co-incidence), but they have given themselves the freedom to make a new story and make it work with ED's gameplay.

 

[Crusina Luachra]

Yes, that could be and probably simply is the case, tho it could be taking something it needs which isn't an object.

Just before the scan starts the craft wings all move apart slightly, so there is some kind of exposure to areas around the centre of the craft,
I think on close up pictures people have captured they look like small holes or openings, after the scan finishes the craft wings then close again and it leaves.

It's a bit like what we would do to collect something, except we open and close a cargo hatch

or it's deploying its "hardpoints" and scanning us.

I mean c'mon. Why the would they have tech that needs something from us in order to jump? How do they even interdict us in hyperspace with without being in hyperspace?


You're over thinking it.

 

[Thatchinho]

So I've noticed that the US never touches the craft but obviously has some form of gravity field. This to me explains how the winterdiction happens.

Ship generates a gravity pocket which is similar to falling out of super cruise when a ship gets too close to a sun/planet.

Further evidence of gravity manipulation is the push back effect experienced by pilots who have attempted to enter the unknown wake.

My theory on the scans it proforms reminds me of how biologist check on tagged sharks or animals. The higher chance(rng) comes to pilots who have recently been scanned. But since there are reports that pilots who have had no contact(is this confirmed yet) with alien tech are also experiencing it suggest that this race is also fishing not just following up on ships already tagged.

Any reason why gravity fields? I can see the reasoning behind it being how the hyperspace interdiction happens but I can't see anything that indicates gravity manipulation in the encounter vids.

 

[CMDR RaoulDuke]

Any reason why gravity fields? I can see the reasoning behind it being how the hyperspace interdiction happens but I can't see anything that indicates gravity manipulation in the encounter vids.

It does kind of look like there is gravitational lensing similar to the effect from black-holes..... to me anyway

 

[Jorki Rasalas]

Because UA and UP have different origins: one is from Oresians who want to help/warn us, the other is from Kalaxians wo want...well.. you know.... Right?

EDIT:

Think this: if you do things that others can understand/read you are implicitly telling them they can know what you are doing, and that you are of no harm to them... I mean, the UA is doing its own things, but we can see what it is doing cause it's transmitting in a language we can understand = Nothing to hide.

So going with this thought train, UAs were produced by helpful aliens (Guardians? Oresrians?) to capture our attention - hey you in the ship that I'm drawing in your old Morse code, There's something going on that you should beware of in the vicinity of Merope. As JManis points out UPs utilse octal coding (I'd forgotten that), & appear to be hunting for ammonia planets (said to be the habitat preferred by Thargoids/Klaxians) & report those coordinates & planetary conditions with respect to Merope 5C. UAs & UPs have different colours & that may reflect the colour of the respective factions.

We never solved the question of "why Merope 5C"?

 

[Owsla]

or it's deploying its "hardpoints" and scanning us.

I mean c'mon. Why the would they have tech that needs something from us in order to jump? How do they even interdict us in hyperspace with without being in hyperspace?


You're over thinking it.

Ok, lol.
Yes, agree that was an over thinking moment.
sometimes my brain has a tendency to do that.

Something else I didn't notice before tho.. during the encounter a continues signal ping beings to occur,
it's regular and does alter slightly from time to time.

It's starts at 0:39
what is that? perhaps it's nothing, maybe just a proximity warning... tho it seems a little strange, all our systems are down.

[video=youtube;fDpWnqJcfnA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDpWnqJcfnA[/video]

 

[ActualSpacePimp]

So going with this thought train, UAs were produced by helpful aliens (Guardians? Oresrians?) to capture our attention - hey you in the ship that I'm drawing in your old Morse code, There's something going on that you should beware of in the vicinity of Merope. As JManis points out UPs utilse octal coding (I'd forgotten that), & appear to be hunting for ammonia planets (said to be the habitat preferred by Thargoids/Klaxians) & report those coordinates & planetary conditions with respect to Merope 5C. UAs & UPs have different colours & that may reflect the colour of the respective factions.

We never solved the question of "why Merope 5C"?

This guy ^ gets it. Hopefully it's not waiting on a future release, or a bug fix though.

 

[Makaan]

As far as I understand it, nothing before Elite: Dangerous is officially canon any more - all hearsay, rumour, and ancient history

So it gives FD free reign to reinvent everything that they wish to. I'm sure they will draw on the old themes (I find it hard to believe that these alien ships, with eight appendages, is complete co-incidence), but they have given themselves the freedom to make a new story and make it work with ED's gameplay.

So anything we propose could be right haha

or it's deploying its "hardpoints" and scanning us.

I mean c'mon. Why the would they have tech that needs something from us in order to jump? How do they even interdict us in hyperspace with without being in hyperspace?


You're over thinking it.

I agree 100%.

These guys are more advanced than us. They can pull us out of hyperspace and shut us down. And even swat us aside like we're nothing.

That action was deliberate to.

Come on peeps, an advanced alien race would clearly know that their ships have that effect

We got purposely shunted for some reason.

 

[ExoForce]

Any reason why gravity fields? I can see the reasoning behind it being how the hyperspace interdiction happens but I can't see anything that indicates gravity manipulation in the encounter vids.

Distortion of the light (stars) around the "thing" immediately after the scan as it moves away?