Seeing the data, it would not add anything to the research. About 75% of the interdictions were reported while carrying an UA. I believe now we need to keep trying to be interdicted without any UA to see if there is really a difference.
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Seeing the data, it would not add anything to the research. About 75% of the interdictions were reported while carrying an UA. I believe now we need to keep trying to be interdicted without any UA to see if there is really a difference.
A cooled hollow superconductive shield is energized by an electromagnetic field resulting in the quantized vortices of lattice ions projecting a gravitomagnetic field that forms a spacetime curvature anomaly outside the space vehicle. The spacetime curvature imbalance, the spacetime curvature being the same as gravity, provides for the space vehicle's propulsion. The space vehicle, surrounded by the spacetime anomaly, may move at a speed approaching the light-speed characteristic for the modified local.
It creates gravity from vacuum, need to be very cold. Those spinning petals counter-rotating makes me think.. (too much)
Perhaps the REAL TRIGGER for the hyperdiction is being low on fuel?!.......
So...they are Fuel Rats? I knew these guys hide something...
Intelligent Life maybe? Im not sure if we can consider humans as intelligent. Can we bring Dolphins or so to that encounter? Or some kind of AI?
Maybe someone at FD forgot to move the release date when they decided to move 2.3 and 2.4 to a later date? Personally i thought that 2.4 ???? update would be exactly what happens now, the introduction of a new "faction". I thought it releases on Elites Birthday (which kinda happened). The devs mentioned a few times that they are working on more than one part at the same time i think, so maybe it requires something we get in 2.3 then? Or something they quickly add in 2.2.03?
BTT
I think they are not refueling us. From what i read so far it pulls you back into the system you jumped from, right? Im not sure how Elite handles the fuel consumption, but maybe the fuel used for that jump simply gets "refunded" because you havnt arrived at your destination?
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I'm very bad at recognizing morse patterns. However, in the UA sample a pattern in the bottom line. The question now is if it fits the previous UA scans. I think we should check it out with previous recording rather than with a UP.
I cannot see any relation between the UP and the UA the spectograms you provided.
That would be a very astute point.
What would you do if others would constantly race through your front lawn?
The aliens are clearly looking for something in the ships. But what?
Also what happened to Jaques station and the other lore ships was different somehow. Most of them crashed...
Maybe this is the aliens' way of "hitting us over the nose with a newspaper"? "Bad human, bad! Stay on your dimension, and get off my lawn!"
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RPing...
Stories about encounters with Thargoids have been passed down through my family for generations. Frankly some of it's so far fetched I've just thought of it as tall tales to entertain the kids (I mean come on, a single Cobra MkIII taking out an entire alien mothership and all it's drones?). One thing that was the same throughout all the stories though was that the Thargoids pulled you out of witchspace in the middle of nowhere, and I mean nowhere - literally nothing within non-hyperspace range. And the Thargoids attacked immediately and ferociously, with wave after wave of drones and devastating fire from the mothership. Even if you survived the attack, if you didn't have enough fuel for a jump out you were dead. No way you could ever be found. No chance of rescue. No hope.
These new encounters don't sound like the Thargoids of old.
Stories about encounters with Thargoids have been passed down through my family for generations. Frankly some of it's so far fetched I've just thought of it as tall tales to entertain the kids (I mean come on, a single Cobra MkIII taking out an entire alien mothership and all it's drones?). One thing that was the same throughout all the stories though was that the Thargoids pulled you out of witchspace in the middle of nowhere, and I mean nowhere - literally nothing within non-hyperspace range. And the Thargoids attacked immediately and ferociously, with wave after wave of drones and devastating fire from the mothership. Even if you survived the attack, if you didn't have enough fuel for a jump out you were dead. No way you could ever be found. No chance of rescue. No hope.
These new encounters don't sound like the Thargoids of old.
Lady Kahina Loren comes to mind...
How would it not add anything to the data? Everybody is flying around near Maia, has anybody tried further afield?
I've been active in the wider surrounding area. covering lots of ground between VY Canis Majoris and the NGCC nebulae over the other side of Maia as a bit of a reference. Covering ground around a 2500ly radius. Nothing unusual out here so far and I've done many hundreds of jumps.
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We seem so convinced it's a ship scan, and while I agree that seems most likely, it also seems entirely probable that it is simply re-starting our ships systems for us after noticing it has "Accidentally" disabled us.
"Oops, sorry little buddy, let me fix that for you!"
Like you might if a small child bumped into you and dropped something or some such.
"Oops, sorry little buddy, let me fix that for you!"
Like you might if a small child bumped into you and dropped something or some such.
I would suggest looking for areas where the orange/yellow mottling appears in hyperspace. I noticed that it wasn't there in hyperspace in the bubble, but it started to appear and got more a more noticeable the closer I got to the Pleiades. It's been very limited, but a few others have reported noticing it as well. No reports to the contrary as far as I'm aware. However, some cmdrs in Colonia and between Colonia and the bubble have reported seeing the orange/yellow mottling in hyperspace. No reports of encounters from there yet, but that could be due to relatively low numbers of cmdrs combined with low encounter probability, coupled with the seeming decrease in encounter likelihood with no UA or UP onboard. Colonia's obviously a bit of a trek, but it could be worth checking other places. California Nebula might be a good shout - there's barnacles there so at least something in common with the Pleiades (other than being a Nebula!)
Thank you for the tip, I will check that out, may have to also watch that movie again pretty soon.
Yeah, me too!
A question for you while you're in the California Nebula - what's hyperspace like there at the moment? Are you seeing the orange/yellow mottling that appears in the encounter videos? Also, have you had an encounter while there?
Yeah, me too!
A question for you while you're in the California Nebula - what's hyperspace like there at the moment? Are you seeing the orange/yellow mottling that appears in the encounter videos? Also, have you had an encounter while there?
Is the mottling confirmed? I've been zipping back an forth across Maia heading toward other nebulae and haven't really seen any change. I've not been hyperdicted at all yet however.
Ok, so I have a few thoughts I'd like to add now if I may. First and foremost, on the lens flares: as someone already pointed out, multiple light sources close together would cause something like that. It could be more than just two even (heck, why not eight?) And putting a code in a little barcode seems more than just a bit silly to me. (Plus if you were examining an alien space craft with something inside and you couldn't be sure exactly how they perceive the universe, trying to send them a barcode may not even work... You'd want to send something MUCH simpler... You might not even assume they can see "visible" light and would actually send a range of very simple signals at numerous wavelengths instead. If they are sending out x-rays or microwaves or something we wouldn't know as these ships are only really outfitted to protect the pilot from these things and not to actually analyze them outside of human standardized established signal patterns.)
Now, one thing I wonder about. The light from their ship isn't all on, all off (and remember, we already have the technology for lights that don't slowly fade in and out as power is applied and removed from the late 1900 era and they are supposed to be WAY beyond even the future humans, aka LEDs...) Are we sure this is pure binary? It seems to pulse up and down -- except, once again, there are multiple light sources (so separating them out could be ridiculously hard since they're so bright they blend together.) Could this be pulse-code modulation rather than binary? If so, the data density increases significantly. The only catch to this theory is it would be VERY hard for us to manually quantify this somehow (putting the video into some sort of program that could do it maybe would work, but someone would have to custom design it.) Also, if there are multiple light sources, the data might be interleaved somehow. Perhaps some clue to this is provided sort of in the way we provided clues on how to view the video provided on the Voyager Golden Disc in something else (perhaps to do with UAs or UPs or something)?
On the ship mechanics, I think it seems like they actually have much more visible means of doing things than previously mentioned. If you look at videos where people get a good look at the rear of them as they're passing by before they turn around, you can actually see color and a bit of light as well as distortions coming from the slowly turning middle ring on the rear during normal propulsion. If you look at videos like mine where someone gets up really close as they're about to jump out you can see that those same points flare up like mad with a lot more light and start spinning very quickly along with the outermost ring flaring up and spinning in the opposite direction. So they DO seem to actually have a visible form of propulsion, just something very different. Given that their ship moving around "shoves" you around, I'm wondering if it's something more like fine spacial warping even for normal movements (and wouldn't this result in an ability to move in a pretty agile manner since there's definitely much less actual movement from their perspective?) It seems like when they jumped they have to actually propel forward much like we apparently must (not only does it require full throttle, but in my messing around to see if I could come up with strange ways of jumping I was trying to turn off flight assist, establish forward motion, and then shut off thrusters, but the FSD won't even activate if thrusters are offline I discovered. So they too may have to actually propel themselves forward with force in the process of jumping. Perhaps much more force with their methods in comparison, but we've likely barely seen a part of what this ship can do so they may be just barely idling by with the way they fly up to that point.)
Also, I noticed that when they jumped it looked more like they either fired something out or had "tentacles" going forward which actually opened this rift or whatever that they use. This seems significant, though I can't really say exactly how except that it shows how very different whatever they are doing actually works.
Another thought: I find it strange no one has mentioned Ender's Game yet. Perhaps because the recent movie kind of ruined things people have forgotten the original books? Now, I'm going to have to post major spoilers, so you really shouldn't read this if there is any chance you will read the books, but there are some really really serious parallels and if we couple this with the fact that the first Ender's Game book came out only a year after the first Elite game, I would put it in the same sort of time period as the original lore (which is not to say that either are connected in any way whatsoever, but that these are the kinds of things that might have been on the minds of the people involved around that sort of time frame perhaps. More importantly, the devs of Elite Dangerous may have read the books...) Once again: only click if you're sure as this really ruins a lot IMO, but I think it could be terribly relevant to these events:
Now, I didn't play the original games, so my understanding of the Thargoids lies only in reading up what I can find as official canon about them (which isn't much.) My impression of them isn't so very different from this though and I definitely wonder if there could be parallels here. Maybe they don't see humans as individuals? Maybe they just see scouts and workers moving around and "new hives" (small colonies on planets) aren't anything more than just resources to another, weaker hive. They're simply taking the resources that they need -- from the lesser hive where strictly necessary -- and swatting any workers or soldiers that come along but overall don't even take the humans seriously because they simply don't understand them enough.
The virus is a lot like the bomb. It would have been positively devastating to the species -- but not necessarily fatal? If these are Thargoids (and their ships are definitely different in general style now with a significantly more organic feel in overall design than before) it would be after something of a major collapse and a complete restructuring of their existing technologies after dealing with the virus. At this point they may not even remember the source of the virus anymore. But if they did, what if this is like the parallel in that book if carried further? Well, again I have to resort to spoilers since it references that...
Anyway, perhaps we too have been looking at the Thargoids wrong. Maybe they just didn't even see us as sapient individuals. Of course, the question remains: are these even Thargoids? They're definitely different in a lot of ways... Haven't we established that there was at least one third species in the past? And there's definitely no reason to assume there couldn't be more. So no one really can be sure and I'm not sure we should assume that they are just yet as so many people seem to be doing. If so, all the wild hypothesis about them sending out scouts or something could be completely off as they may just be a new species entirely exploring another universe or galaxy they haven't been to or something. (Speaking of which, what about the possibility that they aren't as limited in distance as we are and could actually travel galaxies? After all, we know jack squat about "witchspace" and there's no doubt that their methods are at least somewhat different given that they can actually destabilize our hyperspace corridors when none of ours do that to other human corridors. Of course, maybe we're disrupting them too. Though obviously with much less significant consequences if so.)
By the way, has anyone considered that they maybe just think we're dead? As they are close our ships are completely disabled. In fact, maybe they aren't even actually actively pulling us out of witch space. Their mere presence close to us seems to disrupt everything in our systems (and that would include our FSD drives... In fact, I noticed I couldn't actually hyperspace jump while I was near the wake. I supercruised first and then jumped before I could actually leave the system. Very disruptive indeed. Perhaps they think we've just died and when we do not respond to their initial actions in any way just give up and leave. If they aren't even paying attention behind them they just plain wouldn't even notice when we "come back to life." (And the person who fired on them with lots of weaponry didn't even seem to be scratching their shields. Perhaps they didn't even notice it at all. Of course, if it's just a scripted event, then it would just mean that it wasn't in the script for someone to actually fly up and shoot at them. That does feel kind of... stupid... *cough*)
Now, one thing I wonder about. The light from their ship isn't all on, all off (and remember, we already have the technology for lights that don't slowly fade in and out as power is applied and removed from the late 1900 era and they are supposed to be WAY beyond even the future humans, aka LEDs...) Are we sure this is pure binary? It seems to pulse up and down -- except, once again, there are multiple light sources (so separating them out could be ridiculously hard since they're so bright they blend together.) Could this be pulse-code modulation rather than binary? If so, the data density increases significantly. The only catch to this theory is it would be VERY hard for us to manually quantify this somehow (putting the video into some sort of program that could do it maybe would work, but someone would have to custom design it.) Also, if there are multiple light sources, the data might be interleaved somehow. Perhaps some clue to this is provided sort of in the way we provided clues on how to view the video provided on the Voyager Golden Disc in something else (perhaps to do with UAs or UPs or something)?
On the ship mechanics, I think it seems like they actually have much more visible means of doing things than previously mentioned. If you look at videos where people get a good look at the rear of them as they're passing by before they turn around, you can actually see color and a bit of light as well as distortions coming from the slowly turning middle ring on the rear during normal propulsion. If you look at videos like mine where someone gets up really close as they're about to jump out you can see that those same points flare up like mad with a lot more light and start spinning very quickly along with the outermost ring flaring up and spinning in the opposite direction. So they DO seem to actually have a visible form of propulsion, just something very different. Given that their ship moving around "shoves" you around, I'm wondering if it's something more like fine spacial warping even for normal movements (and wouldn't this result in an ability to move in a pretty agile manner since there's definitely much less actual movement from their perspective?) It seems like when they jumped they have to actually propel forward much like we apparently must (not only does it require full throttle, but in my messing around to see if I could come up with strange ways of jumping I was trying to turn off flight assist, establish forward motion, and then shut off thrusters, but the FSD won't even activate if thrusters are offline I discovered. So they too may have to actually propel themselves forward with force in the process of jumping. Perhaps much more force with their methods in comparison, but we've likely barely seen a part of what this ship can do so they may be just barely idling by with the way they fly up to that point.)
Also, I noticed that when they jumped it looked more like they either fired something out or had "tentacles" going forward which actually opened this rift or whatever that they use. This seems significant, though I can't really say exactly how except that it shows how very different whatever they are doing actually works.
Another thought: I find it strange no one has mentioned Ender's Game yet. Perhaps because the recent movie kind of ruined things people have forgotten the original books? Now, I'm going to have to post major spoilers, so you really shouldn't read this if there is any chance you will read the books, but there are some really really serious parallels and if we couple this with the fact that the first Ender's Game book came out only a year after the first Elite game, I would put it in the same sort of time period as the original lore (which is not to say that either are connected in any way whatsoever, but that these are the kinds of things that might have been on the minds of the people involved around that sort of time frame perhaps. More importantly, the devs of Elite Dangerous may have read the books...) Once again: only click if you're sure as this really ruins a lot IMO, but I think it could be terribly relevant to these events:
So in Ender's Game it is established that the "buggers" (we don't ever get their real name that I can recall -- just a "war name" given by human soldiers during the war to further dehumanize them) are an insectoid race with pretty advanced technology (not quite as far ahead of the humans of that time as the Thargoids were in Elite, but enough so that the war was not going well at all.) Now, the buggers live in a hive with a hive-mind (sort of like the Borg except it seems the mind is primarily within the queen -- which isn't entirely dissimilar from how the Borg sort of focused through the Borg queen in Voyager when she was active.) They're basically more like ants than anything else. Now, we learn that the queen is basically the absolute central intelligence and that all the workers, soldiers, and etc basically have no real minds of their own to speak of (or at least not self-aware or anything. Little more than animals if they have any real intelligence.)
The queen saw the imminent destruction coming (I don't know if she knew about the weapon the humans were trying to slip through or what exactly) and sent off a larval queen (imprinted with the knowledge of the buggers I think) which Ender later rescued and swore to try to save in restitution for his part in the destruction of basically the entire race of buggers. From this queen he learns something I think is particularly significant here: because the buggers have a hive mind and not individual minds, workers and soldiers have no value beyond basic resources. They wrongly assumed that the humans they encountered were the same. Thus they destroyed the seeming scouts that impinged on their territory just as an ant hive would do without thinking it would have any real meaning except to make the "alien hive" (eg humans) find other areas. The buggers just simply didn't realize -- it didn't even occur to them -- that those were individuals with individual intelligent minds. They regretted their mistake, but the war had already begun and it wasn't possible to do anything about it in time before the bomb. (A war is definitely a hard thing to stop.)
The queen saw the imminent destruction coming (I don't know if she knew about the weapon the humans were trying to slip through or what exactly) and sent off a larval queen (imprinted with the knowledge of the buggers I think) which Ender later rescued and swore to try to save in restitution for his part in the destruction of basically the entire race of buggers. From this queen he learns something I think is particularly significant here: because the buggers have a hive mind and not individual minds, workers and soldiers have no value beyond basic resources. They wrongly assumed that the humans they encountered were the same. Thus they destroyed the seeming scouts that impinged on their territory just as an ant hive would do without thinking it would have any real meaning except to make the "alien hive" (eg humans) find other areas. The buggers just simply didn't realize -- it didn't even occur to them -- that those were individuals with individual intelligent minds. They regretted their mistake, but the war had already begun and it wasn't possible to do anything about it in time before the bomb. (A war is definitely a hard thing to stop.)
Now, I didn't play the original games, so my understanding of the Thargoids lies only in reading up what I can find as official canon about them (which isn't much.) My impression of them isn't so very different from this though and I definitely wonder if there could be parallels here. Maybe they don't see humans as individuals? Maybe they just see scouts and workers moving around and "new hives" (small colonies on planets) aren't anything more than just resources to another, weaker hive. They're simply taking the resources that they need -- from the lesser hive where strictly necessary -- and swatting any workers or soldiers that come along but overall don't even take the humans seriously because they simply don't understand them enough.
The virus is a lot like the bomb. It would have been positively devastating to the species -- but not necessarily fatal? If these are Thargoids (and their ships are definitely different in general style now with a significantly more organic feel in overall design than before) it would be after something of a major collapse and a complete restructuring of their existing technologies after dealing with the virus. At this point they may not even remember the source of the virus anymore. But if they did, what if this is like the parallel in that book if carried further? Well, again I have to resort to spoilers since it references that...
What if this is essentially parallel to if Ender had actually established the larval queen somewhere -- he didn't really have time -- and they tried again much much later in time to deal with humans in a more proper manner? Eg, the Thargoids recognizing that they were actually dealing with an intelligent species all this time when they had previously thought of them as being just scouts and workers and generally nothing of any real import. So now they're trying to understand this species they didn't understand at all before and perhaps open lines of communication. In the Ender's Game books, the larval queen wasn't actually established anywhere -- it basically ends with a silly way of implementing teleportation throughout the universe via a networked AI using quantum entanglement -- but it was really important to Ender for the aforementioned reasons and I think it was mentioned that via this sort of thing they might finally be able to pull it off. (It has been quite some years since I read these books, plus I tend to remember Bean's story a bit more vividly I'll admit, but his story ends on Earth long before the intergalactic society is established that Ender sees later due to massive amounts of travel through the universe and relativity affecting time for him.)
Anyway, perhaps we too have been looking at the Thargoids wrong. Maybe they just didn't even see us as sapient individuals. Of course, the question remains: are these even Thargoids? They're definitely different in a lot of ways... Haven't we established that there was at least one third species in the past? And there's definitely no reason to assume there couldn't be more. So no one really can be sure and I'm not sure we should assume that they are just yet as so many people seem to be doing. If so, all the wild hypothesis about them sending out scouts or something could be completely off as they may just be a new species entirely exploring another universe or galaxy they haven't been to or something. (Speaking of which, what about the possibility that they aren't as limited in distance as we are and could actually travel galaxies? After all, we know jack squat about "witchspace" and there's no doubt that their methods are at least somewhat different given that they can actually destabilize our hyperspace corridors when none of ours do that to other human corridors. Of course, maybe we're disrupting them too. Though obviously with much less significant consequences if so.)
By the way, has anyone considered that they maybe just think we're dead? As they are close our ships are completely disabled. In fact, maybe they aren't even actually actively pulling us out of witch space. Their mere presence close to us seems to disrupt everything in our systems (and that would include our FSD drives... In fact, I noticed I couldn't actually hyperspace jump while I was near the wake. I supercruised first and then jumped before I could actually leave the system. Very disruptive indeed. Perhaps they think we've just died and when we do not respond to their initial actions in any way just give up and leave. If they aren't even paying attention behind them they just plain wouldn't even notice when we "come back to life." (And the person who fired on them with lots of weaponry didn't even seem to be scratching their shields. Perhaps they didn't even notice it at all. Of course, if it's just a scripted event, then it would just mean that it wasn't in the script for someone to actually fly up and shoot at them. That does feel kind of... stupid... *cough*)
I was doing some catching up with this thread and got to this post from Vall:
Now, I just immediately stopped there and started typing this message so somebody else might have seen and/or mentioned it. And it also most likely is nothing at all but...
Actual source of the "scanner"? Random cockpit lights like so many of our ships have?
Now, I just immediately stopped there and started typing this message so somebody else might have seen and/or mentioned it. And it also most likely is nothing at all but...
Actual source of the "scanner"? Random cockpit lights like so many of our ships have?
Yeah. Cmdr Miic is actually on his way to Colonia with a UP in the hold -no hyperdiction. And if someone had been interdicted outside of the UA shell, we would already have reports of it.
That's kind of terrifying.
I'm still wondering if even this is overthinking it. Perhaps it's an opening data handshake. I mentioned quantum entanglement before. Now, I don't understand it enough to understand if "Ansible" type technology is literally actually possible in real life (eg intentionally utilizing quantum entanglement to send and receive data instantly instead of at light speed) but the thing is, if there were a quantum entanglement network, anyone outside the network simply wouldn't even know it's there unless they somehow just happened to examine one of the particles and that particle seemed to be reacting strangely -- but the act of examination itself would change it after all, so even then it wouldn't be easy to tell... A protocol would have to be established wherein at least one particle is entangled automatically by the systems involved -- I think actually it would take many with some dedicated towards maintaining entanglement and the others dedicated to data. So what if this is just starting half of the process but when nothing responds it's unable to continue and shuts down? Now, with quantum entanglement, presumably the network would exist throughout the universe (maybe beyond?) instantly even as the two separate.
I think, from some of what I've managed to glean, this doesn't actually work in real life. But the concept of the "Ansible" has been around for a while. I mentioned Ender's Game where they definitely used it for... well, spoilers and maybe I shouldn't even say that... It actually was also in Ursula Le Guin's scifi novels which I think predate Ender's Game as well (I think she didn't name the technology? I forget now.) So even if it isn't possible in the real world, this is a fictional world after all.
That is a very smart observation. Not for your conjecture about the larval queen paralelism, but because it points very well that the aliens are, in fact, so aliens that we may indeed be unable to even understand their thoughts.
However I strongly believe that those aliens are thargoids. If that is the case, and the micoid virus did actually wipe them all, it is logical they chose a different approach this time.
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