Alien archeology and other mysteries: Thread 9 - The Canonn

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Leo3ABP

Leo3ABP
Have we considered that we might be overthinking this whole ruins affair, trying to tie some art and what not to it, looking hard at far away while solution could be below our noses? I was staring at the ruins and images a bit, trying to implement the most Occam's razor of Occam's razor solutions and I want to share what I came up with.

What if the whole thing is just a basic simple story of guardians leaving the planet/system/galaxy? Look at the picture below:


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1) This might look like some sort of landing platform or hall, where ship is loaded with passengers/cargo and gets ready to the journey.
2) This is a catapult/accelerator that launches ship into space. From one of the decrypted history entries we know that guardians were sort of slingshotting their crafts into space.
3) This might be a gate of some sort, whether planetary, orbital or system, which might accelerate ship further. IIRC in one of the decoded entries was said that guardians lacked FTL technology at that time, so it is possible that some form of external acceleration might have been required past the original slingshot-launch.
4) This... I dunno, might be anything, from moon, sun, a space analogue of airbag that is supposed to slow ship down at its destination after being accelerated by gates at point 3. Speculate!
5) An arrow, pointer to where they went! I attached the image of a sky to where arrow roughly points. Maybe they went that way? Are their anything interesting, suspicious,something we know about there?
6) Remains of actual launch platform.
7) Remains of control tower or observation bunker of some sort?

We should assume that those ruins might have been already ancient at a peak of guardian civilization even by their standards, hence why message is in so "primitive" form of lining up obelisks and stuff. Further it might be for the fact that there was very high chance that whatever form of media or communication guardians used, it will be incompatible with a technology of whatever race will find the message, so they had to made it as universal and simple as possible. The fact that their early society was tribal also might reinforce that theory (analogy with cave paintings). And all the info obelisks contain might just be a bonus.

P.S: Here is also a link to my obelisk sheet if anyone interested in helping me filling it. Among the usual obelisk results I also try to systematize and understand what signals patterns are for and whether there is any system behind them. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1bLswiqR3BEPqtGpmw7AT__hor7c5B-daOyUV1cUP9EQ/edit?usp=sharing

/CMDR Leo3ABP
 
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CMDRTHEDUCKSTER369

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So here are my observations;
I have been located at the site for the past few days in my Conda for the reason of being a defensive presence against potential griefers. I would also like to mention however that I had all of the items mentioned within my cargo hold whilst I patrol around.

One of the main conclusions I came to through being in multiple different instances and with a varying amount of players present, is that I gained more decoded messages from the hard work of the CMDRS below when there were more players present /and clustered in the same area as each other. This backs up the point of proximity to the obelisks and the amount of players in that instance. However during the hours of 12am -9am GMT not much was happening no matter the amount of CMDRS present.
If I could help more with the Science I would love to but I feel I can be more help defending from all the griefers in their shiny imperial ships. o7.
 

Darkness Dreams

Darkness Dreams
Windscreen Smudge said:
That's great, you've made vague references to this information three times without providing it.

First we're to assume that it's somewhere out in the void, and it's our responsibility to immediately divine it's location and absorb it.

Secondly we're told that things happened over voice chat, and that those things were important but you're the only one who needed to hear them to determine they were important.

Now we're told there are posts in the canonn group. Apparently everyone is privy to where this group's forum is located.

You see what I mean about communicating yet? How many posts could you have saved yourself by dropping a link at the first mention of searching the other moon?
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I would advise that you re-read your own posts in some respects. Also you are clearly getting agitated.

To clarify, the moon that currently orbits the ruins:

1) I have been lucky enough to join the Canon group and be online while they chat about exploring the moon opposite the ruins.
2)more than one person has also advised ( more than the 3 you counted ) have said they have explored the moon.
3)not everyone is online all the time to answer your question or even back me up. as people have lives.
4)I have actually been there myself, to the moon, shortly after the 16 Cmdr wing that was advertised in the very threadnaught.
5)Its one of the first places that was investigated after the release due to the line up at the ruins.

I cannot give you a link to the Canon n chat as you have to be a member to be on it.

However, in fairness we have been trying to help you out, clearly its not wanted.

I would just remind you that there are hundreds of people who have been out to the ruins, rather a lot of them have had the same thought of going to the moon orbiting and checking further.


Again i was simply trying to impart information for you to help with your own investigation. However i would advise to not claim to be the only person to have extensively surveyed the area...
 

hayler

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Hi,

One for all you Lunarphiles out there, time-lapse footage of the moon taken from the centre of cluster A, I found it quite interesting, even though it took the best part of 3 hours to do. Sorry is jerky but the debug camera is a pain in the neck.

Anyway, you can all have your arguments for and against lunar alignments now, but I'd also note that in a previous post I had a video of the moon setting at pretty much the same point as the sun, although it wasnt taken from cluster A, it was in the same direction just next to Cluster G, see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=docjXVM_LTw

My theory is that the long wall leading the Cluster A is pointing to where the sun sets, be a while before the sun comes back round to see where it rises tho.

[video=youtube;WbNucNIa4gw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbNucNIa4gw[/video]
 

Leo3ABP

Leo3ABP
Zebarmy said:
Change your spoiler section to read (but remove the .'s)

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Thanks a lot, fixed it. I very rarely post on forums, so I am dummy when it comes to that =)
 

danteuk

danteuk
Given the buggy and now boring nature of the ruins ( got 12M from Solo scanning stuff, got 14M from sitting in my ship watching other people scanning random stuff ) I've left the ruins and cashed in my 26M ( although I still can't figure out how my balance went from 30M to 55M, sure I restocked and refuelled and repaired, but that only accounts for 5k and also cashed 150k of exploration data, so balance should have been 56M ! )

anyway.

Has anyone else notice and/or tried to do one of the new missions? "Planetary Scan Job" or "Security Planetary Scan Job" - basically fly to system X and locate a POI (may require an SRV ) - I don't remember seeing these before and I wonder if FDev would use one to point us to some crashed beacons that might give clues to the other ruins sites? ( I believe, like most, there are likely to be 3, just given the numbering on the data scans, the found site is #2 we need to find 1 and 3 still )
 
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piranha9

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Recovering from the dust

I tried to rebuild the ancient ruins to get an impression of how it might have looked like in the past. Still very rough, going to add more detail later.
You can freely fly around there and turn obelisks on/off (obelisk state pattern is saved in a binary string for reuse), don't know if this is of any use to you.

Download from dropbox (Windows only, unzip, run ED_AncientRuins.exe)


Maybe it will help solving the puzzle or inspire someone, or just have fun with it :)

Cheers

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Xonic

Xonic
I start thinking that Ram Tah is behind all of this: How does he know that there are 101 pieces of data to discover?

This leads to only 2 possible conclusions:
a) Ram Tah just wants us to be kept busy, while he's planning to overtake the Galaxy because he is working for the new Alien Overlords
b) In reality Ram Tah is Michael Brookes in disguise, laughing maniacally watching us searching for a needle in a haystack
 
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Canoe

Canoe
danteuk said:
Given the buggy and now boring nature of the ruins ( got 12M from Solo scanning stuff, got 14M from sitting in my ship watching other people scanning random stuff ) I've left the ruins and cashed in my 26M ( although I still can't figure out how my balance went from 30M to 55M, sure I restocked and refuelled and repaired, but that only accounts for 5k and also cashed 150k of exploration data, so balance should have been 56M ! )

anyway.

Has anyone else notice and/or tried to do one of the new missions? "Planetary Scan Job" or "Security Planetary Scan Job" - basically fly to system X and locate a POI (may require an SRV ) - I don't remember seeing these before and I wonder if FDev would use one to point us to some crashed beacons that might give clues to the other ruins sites? ( I believe, like most, there are likely to be 3, just given the numbering on the data scans, the found site is #2 we need to find 1 and 3 still )
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With no verification from FD that this mission can be completed in solo, other than a vague "working as intended", I'm cashing in and moving on. No intention to raise a discussion on the merits of open/solo/PG, that's a matter for another thread separate from the excellent research being done!

Good luck, Commanders! May your path shine bright.
 

Glastinghouse

Glastinghouse
danteuk said:
Has anyone else notice and/or tried to do one of the new missions? "Planetary Scan Job" or "Security Planetary Scan Job" - basically fly to system X and locate a POI (may require an SRV ) - I don't remember seeing these before and I wonder if FDev would use one to point us to some crashed beacons that might give clues to the other ruins sites? ( I believe, like most, there are likely to be 3, just given the numbering on the data scans, the found site is #2 we need to find 1 and 3 still )
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I did two yesterday, both on the same planet. You have to scan the system, then you get a message with the location of the necessary body. Already from orbit you can see the tag "Search Zone" - fly there and the marker will do some "searching" which means it will move around. The closer you get, the more precise it gets. In the end you will find a small settlement etc. where you can scan a Public Datapoint. Do so and the mission will be succesful. Return to your client and cash in.
 

Windscreen Smudge

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Darkness Dreams said:
I would advise that you re-read your own posts in some respects. Also you are clearly getting agitated.

To clarify, the moon that currently orbits the ruins:

1) I have been lucky enough to join the Canon group and be online while they chat about exploring the moon opposite the ruins.
2)more than one person has also advised ( more than the 3 you counted ) have said they have explored the moon.
3)not everyone is online all the time to answer your question or even back me up. as people have lives.
4)I have actually been there myself, to the moon, shortly after the 16 Cmdr wing that was advertised in the very threadnaught.
5)Its one of the first places that was investigated after the release due to the line up at the ruins.

I cannot give you a link to the Canon n chat as you have to be a member to be on it.

However, in fairness we have been trying to help you out, clearly its not wanted.

I would just remind you that there are hundreds of people who have been out to the ruins, rather a lot of them have had the same thought of going to the moon orbiting and checking further.


Again i was simply trying to impart information for you to help with your own investigation. However i would advise to not claim to be the only person to have extensively surveyed the area...
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Actually I'm just enjoying pointing out the inconsistencies within a "It happened because I said so" statement from a third party.

You're a member of Canonn. Fantastic.

Question: If you've got hundreds of volunteers jumping at the chance to assist in your group's goal, is it beneficial or harmful to require membership for those volunteers to access information you've already gathered to avoid repetition?

What, do you think, is a reasonable amount of wasted man-hours that can be contributed to this lack of clear communication?

Is it then more or less efficient to expect everyone interested in the topic to request membership to this select group of people, thus burdening the administrative and training members with the influx of a large amount of new members; to spend your time as a member on the forums correcting people on mistakes that the group has already made after they themselves make them, or to publish a 2 paragraph google doc and post a link?

How much progress have you made completing Ram Tah's mission while replying to me?

If you have a room of 100 people, and 99 of them pass gas, which of the 99 guilty people in that room is supposed to raise their hand and claim responsibility? If I'm to judge by what you're currently doing, it's the one person in the corner who had nothing to do with the whole affair.

Is it becoming clearer now?
 

CMDRTHEDUCKSTER369

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Is space more populated than we currently perceive it to be? ........

In concerns to the current hyperdiction situation. When watching one of Obsidian ants lore videos he mentions that during the conflict with the thargoids that the Alliance halted the complete genocide of the Thargoids by developing a vaccine for the virus which had been developed to essentially cease their ability to make hyper jumps and such. I have a theory that the alliance knows more about the current situation than they let on. For instance it could help explain why there is a lack of alliance specific ships. Could the engineers linked to the alliance be developing ships with alien technology? From the data we are gathering from the guardian site. Also once the alliance had sent the cure to the Thargoids the Thargoids made peace with them and sent them a warship. Is this possibly the ship we are currently seeing and the alliance are experimenting with its ability after years of working out the Thargoid technology and incorporating human tech in it. Or this could indeed be a thargoid probing for weaknesses and changes in human ship capabilities since the conflict. I'm curious to know, has anyone had an encounter whilst aligned with the alliance? As a majority of players seem to be either with no faction or with the feds and the imps.... could this be what they are looking for perhaps ? An Ally? At the crash site in HIP 17034 or whatever it is, it is both human and Thargoid wreckage. Either it is a ploy to get us to come to it and thus scan us with some virus or just a general scan...... , the human and goid ship clashed and destroyed each other .... or they were caught off guard by some unknown force. The goids could be running from something ...... I put emphasis on the could as previous dealings with them has been aggressive. And of course the Alliance prepaeing for research outposts out near permit locked systems . I have a feeling the alliance will have a big play in events to come. This of course is all speculation but back to my original remark. Is space more populated than we assume it is?
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piranha9 said:
I tried to rebuild the ancient ruins to get an impression of how it might have looked like in the past. Still very rough, going to add more detail later.
You can freely fly around there and turn obelisks on/off (obelisk state pattern is saved in a binary string for reuse), don't know if this is of any use to you.

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Maybe it will help solving the puzzle or inspire someone, or just have fun with it :)

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Definitely useful and interesting!

It does differ from the landing minimap you are presented with quite significantly though - You're missing arms and legs ;)

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Rabbit-HH

Rabbit-HH
I am not aware of whether we have pursued the discovery of CMDR falcon413 (different obelisk SETs):

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...9-The-Canonn?p=5004532&viewfull=1#post5004532

He discovered 5 "SETs" of obelisks. See map HERE

From my discovers today, i took items for the "correct" zones (discovered by CMDR Zenith Ddraiglas) in my SRV.
I was in GROUP-Mode scanning the clusters with the supposed "correct" items. Get only pattern data after scanning but with some delay i got only errormessages from Ram Tah.
In Cluster G i scanned G29, 32, 12 and 11. These are NOT obelisks of the, we called here, "default" SET (SET I)!
Also i scanned some Obelisks in Cluster C, but not that one whe called "default".
I believe the items you have to use to "unlock" the zones changes depending on the active SET of obelisks.

The zones depending on the discovers by CMDR Zenith i used also in my Map by Rabbit-HH.
I think this zones are only valid for Obelisk-SET I, we called them the "default" obelisks.

So we have to figure out whitch items has to use in which zone (cluster) for the obelisks out of the other sets, CMDR falcon413 uses Set I to Set V (roman numerals).
This is also the fact why we get positive scans with supposed uncorrect items in hold, i think!

e.g. for the "default" Obelisk (Set I) in Cluster G we need casket in hold.
But what did we need for a glowing obelisk out of Set II, Set III ... or Set V?
We have 5 items and the relic. Since now we have no "zone" for the totem. With the "theorie" of 5 differnet obelisk SETs, we would have a zone for the totem!

What i can't recognize on the map of CMDR falcon413 is, which side of the obelisk is glowing. For the "default" SET (SET I) this is known. For the other sets i/we have to figure it out.

As we see in the map of CMDR falcon413 in some SETs there is the same obelisk. But what about the glowing side? Is there the same side glowing in a different SET? Or would glow another side of the obelisk in a different SET?

Some ideas: Each obelisk has three sides. Obelisks that stand alone it would be possible that each side (three) would become glowing. At the obelisks that stands side by side i think only the two "outside" sides would be able to glow?

I've begun to change my drawings. First of all the overview, i extended the "Zone"-Text (lower left corner):

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And the detailed clustermap (now it's draft because of the unknown glowing side in the SETs):

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One question is coming up because of the same obelisks in differnet SETs. If we've figured out which item has to use in which SET, how do we know, if e.g obelisk A2 is glowing, which is the correct item?
And here i think there would be glow another side of the obelisk. But thats now a theorie, we have to proof ;-)

Also the Post of CMDR allocater supports the theory of changing activation-items for the zones with changing obelisk-SETS:
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...9-The-Canonn?p=5014178&viewfull=1#post5014178



What do you think about that?
 
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Rampant

Rampant
Auntystatic said:
Exactly, planetary rotation rules out this site pointing anywhere, I think too many people are thinking Stonehenge instead of Jodrell Bank.
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While I do admit that you are probably correct about the planetary rotation thing... would someone please take some time lapse to confirm that the sky is moving. There are definitely some odd orbital parameters at workin his system, so we need to see how the sky is moving overhead.

Yours Aye

Mark H
 
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