Alien archeology and other mysteries: Thread 9 - The Canonn

[Trafalgar Law]

For E (H) cluster I am currently suspecting it is by row like this. How far it goes needs to be tested and tablet row needs to be confirmed, as well as the third row identified:

http://i.imgur.com/b32csbn.jpg

updated: E21 also Totem/Culture area

I think you're on to something here. I've been doing a lot of scanning for the double avenue at E.

Here are my results:

E30 Urn + Totem = failure
E13 Urn + Totem = failure
E16 Urn + Totem = success Bio 12
E24 Urn + Totem = failure
E23 Urn + Totem = failure
E22 Urn + totem = failure
E33 Urn + totem = failure Urn + Tablet = failure
E14 Urn + totem = Failure Urn + Tablet = failure

E9 Urn + Casket = failure
E23 Urn + Casket = Failure
E18 Urn + casket = failure

E29 Urn + Relic = failure
E21 Urn + relic = failure
E15 Urn + relic = failure

E32 Urn + Tablet = failure
E12 Urn +Tablet = failure

All of these had the failure notification except E16 which had a success with Urn + Totem. (assuming the notification messages are working correctly of course)

 

[TiberiuS]

Of which do you see the most on the site? Circles, quads, hexagons or...?

Le sigh... Let's just wait and see then

Yes, I just read all the known data packages. Really interesting stuff.

I agree with your point 3 though. Looks like one site for data 1 - 6/7 and one for Data 15/16 - 20/21

 

[walaykin]

I think you're on to something here

Agree, I was in the instance with cmdr allocater

E28 orb/relic success Tech 11/20

 

[John Stoutbeard]

That's great, you've made vague references to this information three times without providing it.

...

Now we're told there are posts in the canonn group. Apparently everyone is privy to where this group's forum is located.

....

Nope, I'm Canonn and I was presented this statement yesterday.
Two of us checked the Canonn *FORUMS*, last post is 2weeks++ and older.

Then the person who claimed this (on discord) said he meant this thread, and told us to check 100+ pages backwards.

THERE IS NO SECRET POST ON CANONN *FORUMS*.
Just in case anyone missed it.

 

[Darkness Dreams]

Which we use represent binary data. What would it look like for Trinary?

to be honest i dnt know.

I will have to dig around and see if i can find the data i initially though i found.

From what i recall i started with the the triangles on the outside representing rows of binary

so....

if i recall i went with 5 triangles per row. The vertical side has no data so i think it may mark the direction of reading, especially if its based on sign language ( could be a wrist?). Ie read from the vertical down to the point.

To continue,

work in rows:

triangle is a 1
space is a 0

so take a top row on the top edge of triangle. ( just off the top of my head )
you get 10111 then next row 10111 then move the botome edge etc.

I did find something that matched up but i think it was co-incidence.

however does anyone remember this...wondering if its relevant again now knowing what we do about the Guardians?

https://www.google.co.uk/imgres?img...8TRAhWHuhoKHQ6_CEEQMwh7KFAwUA&iact=mrc&uact=8

 

[umbabrahattasil]

I've got another wild one to throw out there.

Bearing in mind that we've been told the aliens were humanoid in shape (or at least http://remlok-industries.fr/1030/the-guardians-lore/?lang=en says so, but I can't see it in the data?), and that Culture 11 tells us "We already knew they were capable of fabulous architecture, but these records show that buildings, statues, monoliths and even city layouts were a common outlet for aesthetic expression."

http://i.imgur.com/McDbWvq.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/OcMLYcR.jpg

Does that look like a stick figure pointing/leaning to the left to anyone else?

Furthermore, it looks almost like a cone of vision, i.e. he's looking to the "left". I might try orienting myself towards the ruins at this angle, painstakingly waiting until the potato moon is in the "lower left" behind me, then see if looking to the "left" points at anything or provides anything significant. I realize we're probably chasing Pareidolia at this point, but I've essentially given up on the obelisk puzzle, so why not.

 

[Trafalgar Law]

My results of the failure/success notifications plotted onto a map:

 

[wodthing]

...

If this is true here is what you have to do:
-start new instance
-scan the default 15 ones. (maybe with correct base item, so that you don't get an error)
-relog
-your progress will now apply turning on new obelisks
-continue to scan those new obelisks (maybe with correct base item, so that you don't get an error)
-relog
-progress applies again, continue...

No, I've tried that very scenario. After scanning all 15 original obelisks in solo with the supposed correct item combinations, they are all off, no other obelisks light up, and when you re-log, they are reset to the default 15 starter obelisks. I've even went so far as to use a different starting obelisk and complete the scans. Same end result, no additional obelisks and complete reset to the original obelisks after re-log.

 

[iFred]

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Everyone please
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Pls read cultural data 11. Data pattern BETA is mentioned. I don´t see this mentioned anywhere.

Conclusion: The COMBINATION of Alpha two Epsilon AND your cargo has to be considered.

Correct?

 

[allocater]

No, I've tried that very scenario. After scanning all 15 original obelisks in solo with the supposed correct item combinations, they are all off, no other obelisks light up, and when you re-log, they are reset to the default 15 starter obelisks. I've even went so far as to use a different starting obelisk and complete the scans. Same end result, no additional obelisks and complete reset to the original obelisks after re-log.

Yes solo is completely broken. I meant, that is what you have to do in open/PG.

- - - Updated - - -

My results of the failure/success notifications plotted onto a map:

[url]http://i609.photobucket.com/albums/tt177/steyates/vxXeC6s_zpsti2xso5u.jpg[/URL]

Wow, very nice. So many urn failures. That means the urn-area is just to lowest 2 rows.

 

[Trafalgar Law]

Ok Just had a success notification when I logged back in: History 15. Presumably this was from E12 Urn + Tablet which was the last one I scanned (unless of course it was a freebie from someone else's scan )

 

[Iron Orchid]

GROUPS OF 4

1 player can activate a certain amount of Obelisks.

If another player comes into the instance then a new set is activated.

If a third enters the instance then another set is activated and a 4th provides another set.

So start in solo and unlock. The 13 then get another player to join. This should give you 21 more entries then another player gives you 29 then another player gives you 37.

That's your hundred entries prob a final one when they are all unlocked.

You can do this in a PG

I think this may be almost right. If the sharing of scans is by design and so is the problem with solo. You need a group of players scanning different things at the same time. It has be to be done in a group.
One of the first lot of data said:
"Ram Tah is sure this is another reflection of their pack mentality, where the requirements of the group supersede those of a single person. Naturally, it isn’t as simple as that in practice – for example, individuals were expected to come to another s aid if necessary."

 

[Shakujo]

I don't know if someone already noticed this.
I tryed to make the best use of the SRV wavescanner. I picked up every ancient item at the site to remove their interference on the scanner.
Then I observed each of the 15 active obelisks. Its seems like some of them have a signature on the wave scanner, but only if you are very close to them (you have to be at locking distance).
It seems like that every time I relog into the game, the obelisks giving a wave signal, change...
Still don't know if this information is of any use... I'm accumulating data.

For now it does not seem to bel related to the signal patter, nor the the actual succes or failure in decoding new data.

 

[DaggerSnake]

Is there any appended list of the data files found so far? I'm really interested in reading the story...

I guess it would be hard to get at the text without typing it out huh?

 

[Moekul]

...

1. Key object unlocks the group (e.g., Tablet in C), obelisk spits out one pattern, either the key object or a secondary matches the pattern (e.g. epsilon = tablet)
2. Key object unlocks the group, obelisk spits out two patterns, only one of the patterns is matched by either the key or secondary
3. (Hard) Key object unlocks the group, obelisk spits out two patterns, both objects match one of the patterns

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Sadly, I think I have disproven pattern/object correspondence within my own records, at least in the way I hoped it worked. I checked the hypothesis that alpha = object against all my logs, sorting them into "TRUE" (no contradiction), "OK" (conditional), and "FALSE" (clear contradiction). I tried a few with beta, for the heck of it, but gave that up quickly. Each hypothesis (e.g. alpha = casket) can be rejected by multiple of my scans, thus mostly ruling out noise from stray messages.

What I found at least seems to disprove global matches, but may leave room for correspondence per group/obelisk/set, or for the patterns from one scan relate to the next scan, or pattern matches could need to be exact: scan an orb obelisk with orb+casket, get alpha delta, must match alpha=orb, delta=casket; would fail with just alpha or delta, and might even fail with delta alpha. However, most of these would seem to be too complex to test easily since the data sets will be so much smaller and noisier.

 

[iFred]

New possible theory: Please report Data Pattern (Alpha, Beta etc.) when you got a success, Thanks.

(Mainly because Cultural 11/20 clearly relates to PATTERN BETA - and since those data patterns are RNG per commander, this would explain the problems we have with this riddle)



No sorry for Caps

 

[Clanga]

To anyone who might be interested in the pattern data we get after each scan, I made this spreadsheet.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1MILQvnIY8f09wIahbV2V9pyLb02cu8IprLXBPxQlufM/edit?usp=sharing

Currently it only has my own 5 entries I made myself but if anyone wants to add to this, then feel free to - I have made the spreadsheet editable.
Anyone who wishes to use the data is free to do so... I myself have not yet found any noticeable meaning to the pattern data...

however,

I do think that the patterns have a significance of some sort for the following reasons:

1) Why else would Frontier create 5 different data (instead of one "ancient obelisk pattern data") entries...
2) The 5 different patterns have different rarity grades (Maybe this has some significance as well? In addition, maybe the amount of data we receive from one scan has some significance?)
3) The 5 different data have slightly varying descriptions.

 

[hitchhiker54]

Is there any appended list of the data files found so far? I'm really interested in reading the story...

I guess it would be hard to get at the text without typing it out huh?

http://remlok-industries.fr/1030/the-guardians-lore/?lang=en has most if not all the currently found

 

[TiberiuS]

New possible theory: Please report Data Pattern (Alpha, Beta etc.) when you got a success, Thanks.

(Mainly because Cultural 11/20 clearly relates to PATTERN BETA - and since those data patterns are RNG per commander, this would explain the problems we have with this riddle)



No sorry for Caps

Yes yes. This is known already from the transcript.

Alpha = Biological Data
Beta = Cultural Data
Delta = Language Data

Gamma and Epsilon must be Technology and Historical, but they are not mentioned in the Packages.

Edit:
I'd like to know how people concluded that
Gamma = History
Epsilon = Technology
for they are nt named in the data files!

 

[walaykin]

I'm in a new instanced after a CTD and there are a *lot* of obelisks on in zone G - 6 at least. No valid combos so far, and no-one on site appears to have triggered it. This is all very puzzling!