As someone who is mostly on reddit and discord I can say that most PvP'ers do not feel welcome here at all. I PVP and pirate in the game and recently registered here to see if it's as bad as people say, and while there definitely does seems to be big amounts of distain for PvP i've also seen people who enjoy it and talk about it here as well. The thing is PVP'ers can't post their content on here because it will get flagged as naming and shaming or something similar and be removed, on reddit we can post our content and get less extreme reactions calling us psychos and griefers, so most PvP players stick to that. Which is a shame really.
PvP (Open) commanders not welcome on this forum?...
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Yes it is, you have exactly the same tools, ships and modes available to you as all players, if you do not want to to PVE(P) the BGS then don't, you can't have it both ways anymore than PVE players in open can or should expect to.
PP would work with a little different approach.
For example in Dark Age of Camelot (mmorpg) there are 3 realms (worlds) and all 3 have a common dungeon (farm zone). Those who control the most keeps on the warmap are allowed to enter that dungeon (and that implies and brings PvP action).
PP needs to actively reward bonuses to work properly, 50 mil at the end of the week for farming is not good enough. For example if it would grant access to let's say X engineers or X discount stations or some other active perks, that would bring people to PP.
You can't do that without a proper guild/clan system tho and you can't do that while PP can be done in solo mode aswell.
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- PvP (Open) commanders not welcome on this forum?...
I'm pretty sure we have PVPers on the forum (just reading the thread tell us)
We need to stop confusing PVPers/pirate with griefers.
I would love to see PVP event with a bit of rules that can please everyone.
I'm speaking on my behalf but many of us will recognize themselves in this : I'm not allergic to PVP, i'm allergic of being harrassed/killed for absolutely no reasons, and PVP is not about this, griefing is a tiny dirty bit of the PVP scope
- PvP (Open) commanders not welcome on this forum?...
I'm pretty sure we have PVPers on the forum (just reading the thread tell us)
We need to stop confusing PVPers/pirate with griefers.
I would love to see PVP event with a bit of rules that can please everyone.
I'm speaking on my behalf but many of us will recognize themselves in this : I'm not allergic to PVP, i'm allergic of being harrassed/killed for absolutely no reasons, and PVP is not about this, griefing is a tiny dirty bit of the PVP scope
Correct. For any one player there are two distinct "opposition" forces. One is the environment the other is other players.
I don't believe there is any such thing as a "dominant ED player" but if such a mythical creature could exist they'd be masters of both PvP combat and BGS/PP manipulation, would use each mode to its best advantage depending on what it was they were seeking to achieve at the time. They'd be virtually unstoppable in any mode and FD would probably create a universal ship-kit of a white silk scarf flapping from the cockpit just for them
Goose4291
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Someone opposed to PvP will openly call the other side sociopaths, question their genitalia size or try to say that 'they have issues' as well as outright insults being thrown.
Call somebody a carebear however, and its infraction city.
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As long as you don't blame you are allowed to post your content, we just had a thread praising the good fight against CMDR XY.
Not arguing about what you prefer or like. Just arguing that PVErs feels exactly the same about getting shoot at, but it seems ok for some people to belittle them for that.
Heads up that Arena/CQC could have been called "UT: ED edition" and been 110% spot on
No, sorry but as much as it hurts players to hear, nothing in Open can be optional. If you want a linear, peaceful progression through space we have NMS for that, and look how it turned out. "Play how you want" means exclusively playing how you want, not that the outcome will be what you desire. And therein lies the beauty - want to be a trader? Take into account the risks and co-ordinate accordingly with defensive mechanisms, escape techniques, wings etc. Find your own way to influence the universe and if it hurts you so much get one back by organising an anti-ganking group or something.
In Solo/PG you can control player interactions to your heart's content, but in Open, for any concept of "play how you want" to exist you must accept risk as well as reward. If I choose to be a pirate you simply cannot deny that playstyle because you don't feel like being part of it. Players may have reasons for their actions or not, but you should never just assume someone has no motive and treat them as morally bankrupt as a personal defense. It's more childish than any ganker will ever be.
Oh, my argument isn't that that sort of stuff shouldn't happen in Open (although it should be curtailed by gameplay mechanics more than it is), it's that there are too many people who insist that Open should be the only play mode.
Playing against other BGS is PvP. You are just using different tool.
No i have not. I cant stop other players to do what is against me or my faction.
I can farm NPC/missions as they do only. Its playing on their terms, because they can refuse my tools.
Allowing my tools does not mean refusing their tools or forcing on them playing a way i want. Its giving me a chance to use them in game.
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Because the objective of the CG is to bring boatloads of fish, there are no CGs to not bring fish.
Wait.. People want to farm rep/farm upvotes? Say it ain't so!
Rep should probably be removed altogether, just quietly...
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Where did I say I was ok with those? And I believe (and it will be probably confirmed by hardcore PVErs defenders) that they suffered the same "Forum rules breaking" consequences.
Bring a fish mean something happnen. It may be bad for me or my faction. Stopping bringin a fish is a way to prevent it.
Now i cannot prevent it. I can only make it faster. Its one way and its favors a group who want make it happen.
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And I'm not interested in PvP of any sort.
So here's the thing: you don't want to haul fish, and I'm not going to make you. I don't want to play PvP but you're saying that I should.
No.
Ah, right. Yeah, that's how it should be handled - suitable in game crime, not externally outcasting them. That we don't have proper CP is true but we also have no proper exploration, no true bounty hunting, and the most one dimensional mission system I have seen to date.
People forget ED was put forward as "work in progress"....
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Oh, crud.
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You can stop arguing with me. It's pretty clear we're on the opposite side. I just file you under those guys and all the attempts at rebranding and pirating definitions won't convince me. You may think it might make a good tale for the gullible, but I doubt it. Not here - not in this thread, where the fronts are quite established.
Goose4291
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But you could argue there are.
If a CG doesnt pass tier one, it doesnt complete, whch is what in some cases the opposition are trying to do (see: Federal Capital ship production CG's and Imperial player groups), or alternatively are RPing it that way just to have the rosary bead clutchers screaming "griefer!" "NOT REAL RP" and the like.
Then dont play pvp.
Do not do CG/PP/BGS and do not manipulate a conected markets by trading. It may influe on someone other gameplay.
Switching to group/solo is only allowing you to refuse a part of pvp what is not comfortable to You, and is allowing You to do what may not be comfortable for others.
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Except it isn't 'their terms' it is the games design terms, you have a choice, either do engage in it or don't because the BGS isn't going to become a pure and outright PVP only activity anytime soon.
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