We can say the same about PVPers and combat logging
PvP (Open) commanders not welcome on this forum?...
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We can say the same about PVPers and combat logging
This isn't the thread I was looking for.
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Follow your own advice to PVE centric players, 'git gud' at it, bring friends and out PVE them, if you can't do that do something else. You have the same tools and possibilities to influence the BGS as everyone else.
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To quickly pick you up on this, you cannot discredit PvP as less legit because of the failings of well implemented mechanics.
PP was introduced to try effectively add meaning to confrontational player interaction-it simply didn't become popular due to poor implementation. Weapon balances occur with the help of PvP players and with PvP in mind.
Meanwhile, exploration can - let's be frank - be stripped down to honk/scan endlessly. "Horizons", a season pass around planetary landings, saw two updates aimed at combat and just the one at the start that can be considered part of exploration. With exploration content being on the verge of non-existent, should we also say ED is not an exploration game?
There can only be one way to handle Open: without imposed restrictions. "Play how you want". It's the point of a so-called sandbox game, to generate content from what is around you, and if being part of someone else's content alternate modes were provided. I was told I could pirate or "just hunt other commanders" as part of the game advertising, so why does one have less rights to do this than trade repetitively?
So in effect, ED Open is as much PvP as it is PvE as it is Exploration as it is Mining as it is Scavenging as it is Wedding Barge Hunting. You cannot discredit the game as not being any of it in an open/sandbox style game. It doesn't preclude respect among each other, but you also cannot cover your ears with your hands and hum loudly until non-peaceful player interaction goes away.
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Not long ago I got a "GF" after a nice fight against an other CMDR. There are friendly and respectful PvP players and there is - what I consider - good PvP to be found.
But I agree, the "you are my content" and insisting on "legit gameplay" is part of the problem.
That's the thing: The BGS and PP aren't designed around PvP intentionally. They are designed around PvEvP. I can understand that you don't like the concept, but this is how the game was planned from the very beginning.
I generally agree, but I'd add that all those activities should be optional. I'm not going to force someone to go and fly out to Sag A, and I'll take it kindly if no-one forces me to engage in PvP activity. Like I said before, if I'd wanted 'Unreal Tournament : Spaceship Edition' then I'd have bought that.
On PvE terms only. Its not equal.
What? If I trade 5 tons of fish, how is that preventing you from doing the same?
I guess the difference is that there are two other modes to avoid PvP but there is nowhere to hide from PvE [where is it]
Because i would like to use other tool to use same thing than you.
It forcing me to play what you like, not what i like.
For example. To win CG with collecting a fish, only i can do is bring more fish by transport ship, and i cannot stop of bringing fish by combat ship.
It simply means i am forced to play on Your terms, because you can turn on immune to my counter, and i cant turn on immune to your tool.
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Quick correction: My OP is not about PvPers complaining, it's about the Elite: Dangerous community as a whole suffering/missing out on excellent content because of the growing divide. The event mentioned, and Open/PvP mode commanders and content should feel just as home here as the other play modes.
We are one big family after all. (everyone should just get over themselves and come sit at the table!
) Indeed. I fly mainly in Groups, sometimes in Open, rarely PvP. But I love that Elite: Dangerous makes it all available to me, and that I can find relevant content for all modes on this very forum.
Sure, Elite: Dangerous is flawed in many ways, but:
[video=youtube;BAomAwIwxm8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BAomAwIwxm8[/video]
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But isn't that what you are also doing? Imposing your own gameplay preferences on others?
As much as I hate to say it: You are playing the wrong game (in that regard...).
Goose4291
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Read what I wrote. Actually read it.
At no point do I say that they didnt have secondary reasons for the event, but it wasnt a 'fake charity event' for the reason stated, that the money donated went to the charity. If it hadnt, then that would be a 'fake charity event'.
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Jacques d'Orleans
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Well said! Get some rep for it! Just one minor disagreement I have, they don't wan t to play an enhanced version of space engine, they want to play Hello Kitty online in space, not more, not less. What they want is a fluffy fluffy lala land with space ships.
Well, I have played this game for about 200hrs and only in open mode and all I have met so far are two other players.
I would assume that all the other open players or at least most of them hang around CG's, Jacques Station and the engineers sytems, almost like lemmings one could say.
As some other posters mentioned the forums, even me as non pvp'er don't come to the froums very much, just because the salt and tear levels from the usual special snowflakes gives me a too huge amount of acid reflux.
You mean like shooting CMDR who have no interest in PVP as allowed by games rules?
You can't have it both way. Either it's ok because it's the rules of the game or it is not.
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No, becuse in Open you can still haul a fish, no matter i am here or not. My tool is not turning off your tool, but only a possible way to counter, a chance to counter. Not immune to your fish.
As above. I can shoot, You can evade, high wake. In solo/group, If you start hauling fish, i cannot evade of it... and maybe i am not interested in hauling a fish?
And i am playing it wrong.
Correct way is hauling a fish in solo. (no irony, its simple fact)
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Heads up that Arena/CQC could have been called "UT: ED edition" and been 110% spot on
No, sorry but as much as it hurts players to hear, nothing in Open can be optional. If you want a linear, peaceful progression through space we have NMS for that, and look how it turned out. "Play how you want" means exclusively playing how you want, not that the outcome will be what you desire. And therein lies the beauty - want to be a trader? Take into account the risks and co-ordinate accordingly with defensive mechanisms, escape techniques, wings etc. Find your own way to influence the universe and if it hurts you so much get one back by organising an anti-ganking group or something.
In Solo/PG you can control player interactions to your heart's content, but in Open, for any concept of "play how you want" to exist you must accept risk as well as reward. If I choose to be a pirate you simply cannot deny that playstyle because you don't feel like being part of it. Players may have reasons for their actions or not, but you should never just assume someone has no motive and treat them as morally bankrupt as a personal defense. It's more childish than any ganker will ever be.
Oh, and to put this point in action, if you can find a way to force me to Sag A* directly or through coercion then I accept it and applaud you
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