I agree that there is no evidence that Col 70 Sector FY-N c21-3 is Miackce, but a while ago I compared the FE2/FFE galaxy to the ED galaxy and I'm afraid you can't draw any conclusions about the positions of systems in ED based on their positions in FFE. Stars got moved all over the place.
You also can't rely on the FFE system compositions. Those too changed radically and inconsistently between FFE and ED.
Edit: Here is my post about the visualisation of the positions of systems in FFE and ED:
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...d-The-Canonn?p=2696738&viewfull=1#post2696738
And here's what it looks like:
Of course we can't draw any conclusions about the positions of systems in ED from the positions of systems in FFE; ED is a completely different game to FFE. And we especially can't draw any conclusions about the location of the Miackce System, as it entirely appears that Miackce is not present as a deliberately-placed system in ED at all.
But ED is also different from FFE in terms of the player-led narrative content. If a candidate procedurally-generated system could be found with the same layout as Miackce in FFE, possibly the Devs could be persuaded to incorporate it in a game narrative. Or not. But either way it might be fun to try looking for such a system.
Hmmm. Interesting visualization. Nice work. From the structure you mention it appears that the FFE Galaxy was upside-down and over-estimated a lot of the distances.
I attempted a similar exercise some time last year. You have highlighted the main obstacles:
1. Different representation of distance between Sol and Polaris
2. FFE galaxy model is pretty much a flat disc with a comparatively small variance in off plane distances
3. Assumption that Miacke exists in ED and has the same make up of planets/moons as in FFE
In spite of this I attempted a conversion from the FE2 -> ED coords and searched K star systems in the candidate area ... I didn't find a system that looked like a match. But given the variance in the galaxy models I couldn't claim my candidate area was any more legit than pin sticking. At the end of the day it gave me a good excuse to try out the explorer fit in my newly purchased Asp.
As good an excuse as any. Exploration is so much more fun with an excuse. Since they have already been checked, do you care to share your co-ordinates please? I am interested to see if they are anywhere near my own, which I'm not really willing to share with anyone who hasn't done the calculation.
You can not recalculate the coordinates from FFE. To get a rough estimate you need to start aligning Achenar (0,-4), Sol(0,0), Alioth(0,4) and Polaris(0,76) so the are on a straight line(Achenar at the bottom and Polaris at the top). Then we have Pleione at (32,32). Rotate the map to get it about 45° up and right from Sol. Miackce should then be almost straight up from Pleione, about twice as far as Polaris.
This does not fit very well in ED and leaves a huge possible area. What we know, is that it was 1000ly from Alioth.
All the systems in the Pleiades are totally different in composition to FFE, so I would not make a big deal of that.
What have Achenar and Alioth got to do with it? Or Pleione? You're not making any sense at all, and you haven't answered my original question about how you came by your misleading information about the Col 70 Sector FY-N c21-3 system. Obviously very little is known, so we have to make some hypothetical assumptions.
In FFE/FE2 it's quite simple. The FFE Galaxy is a two-dimensional disc utilising a co-ordinates system with Sol at original co-ordinates [0, 0] and the Y-axis running through Polaris (along Earth's axis towards Earth's celestial north pole) 607.06 L-y from Sol at co-ordinates [0, 76]. The X-axis runs through Sol perpendicular to that. In the FFE Galaxy Miackce is 1196.19 L-y from Sol at co-ordinates [37, 144].
It gets more complicated with the ED Galaxy. Here's a tldr for you:
The ED Galaxy is a three-dimensional Galaxy-shaped disc utilising a co-ordinates system with Sol at original co-ordinates [0, 0, 0], the Y-axis pointing through the Galactic Centre near Sagittarius A at co-ordinates [25.22, -20.91, 25899.97], the X-axis running through Sol perpendicular to the Y-axis parallel with the Galactic Equator, and the Z-axis running through Sol perpendicular to both. In this system Polaris is 432.58 L-y from Sol at co-ordinates [-322.69, -212.44, 194.59].
I work out the equivalent co-ordinates of Miackce in ED by making two big hypothetical assumptions:
First I assume that the FFE co-ordinates for Sol, Polaris and Miackce are accurate, in spite of the distance of Polaris from Sol in FFE being quite inaccurate. So Miackce's distance from Sol in ED is reduced from its distance from Sol in FFE (1196.19 L-y) proportionally to the reduction in distance of Polaris from Sol in FFE (607.06 L-y) to the distance of Polaris from Sol in ED (432.58 L-y).
So Sol-Miackce distance in ED is (432.58 / 607.06) × 1196.19 = 852.38 L-y
Then I assume that Miackce is in the same plane as the two-dimensional triangle formed by Sol, Polaris and the Galactic Centre (just as it was in FFE, since everything was in the same plane in FFE, more or less). In ED this plane is not the Galactic Equatorial plane, although it is treated as such in FFE. (If this assumption doesn't work, I can always simplify things by recalculating co-ordinates with the assumption that Miackce is on the same plane as the Galactic Equator in ED instead i.e. has an ED Z-co-ordinate of roughly 0 [zero], and then again I could search somewhere between the two planes.)
So in the ED Galaxy, I drop a perpendicular from Polaris to the X-Y plane, forming a right-angled triangle with Sol. I know the length
r[SUB]Polaris[/SUB] of the hypotenuse is the same as the Sol-Polaris distance, 432.58. I also know that the length
y[SUB]Polaris[/SUB] of the opposite side to the angle at Sol is equal to the Z-co-ordinate of Polaris, 194.59.
Then again in the ED Galaxy, I drop a perpendicular from Miackce to the X-Y plane, forming another right-angled triangle with Sol. I already know that the length
r[SUB]Miackce[/SUB] of the hypotenuse is equal to the Sol-Miackce distance, 852.38 L-y. If Miackce is in the same plane as the triangle Sol-Polaris-Galactic Centre as I have assumed, the angle at Sol in this second larger right-angled triangle will be the same as in the first triangle. So I have a right-angled triangle with a known hypotenuse and one other known angle. So by trigonometry I can work out a value for the length
y[SUB]Miackce[/SUB] of the perpendicular dropped from Miackce to the X-axis, equal to the value of Miackce's Z-co-ordinate. Or I can just calculate it proportionally from the respective distances of Polaris and Miackce from Sol as follows:
Polaris Z / Polaris distance = Miackce Z / Miackce distance
therefore 194.59 / 432.58 = Z / 852.38
therefore Miackce's Z-co-ordinate = 383.44
Then using the same triangle I can calculate Miackce's distance from Sol in the X-Y plane alone
x[SUB]Miackce[/SUB].
Then using the FFE co-ordinates of Polaris and Miackce I can calculate the angle between their vectors from Sol, which angle, having already assumed the FFE co-ordinates to be accurate, is identical in ED. Then with the ED X and Y co-ordinates of Polaris I can calculate the angle between the Sol-Polaris vector and the X-Z plane in ED. Subtracting this second angle from the first gives the angle of the Sol-Miackce vector with the X-Z plane in ED.
This angle forms a right-angled triangle with a perpendicular dropped from Miackce to the X-Z plane, whose hypotenuse is equal to Miackce's already calculated distance from Sol in the X-Y plane, whose opposite side is equal to Miackce's Y-co-ordinate, and whose adjacent side is equal to Miackce's X-co-ordinate. Which can then be calculated by trigonometry.
Assuming I've got this right, you can work those other co-ordinates out for yourselves as if you can be bothered. Unless anything important happens in the Bubble first, I'll be off out there myself looking for an orange star with the Miackce System's configuration, purely on the off-chance that the procedural generation has co-incidentally produced one, right after I've engineered a few final lightweight improvements to the
Pourquoi pas? (my ship). The
Pourquoi pas? will be fully-equipped and heavily-armed for a 50+ L-y-range exploration ship, and perfectly able to take on all but the largest combat-armed vessels. So best warn me first if you decide to do the calculations and head out to the co-ordinates yourself
