PVP piracy - Destroyed three trader ships over 4t of cargo... help me understand

[Libluini]

So I was pirating at the Parun CG last night and had 6, or so, customers. My demands were: drop 4t (four!) of cargo. I've stated demands before opening fire (and waited for a response) and then repeatedly while firing at the target. I let players go if they dropped cargo even if they tried to run first (other pirates may not).

But: Some players chose to be destroyed rather than dropping 4t. They are in Open with the chance of piracy and when someone comes along with very reasonable demands they seem to prefer losing their ship over it??

Help me understand.... Why?

Obviously I can't talk for other people, but if I get caught in open by a real human pirate, I tend to either highwake out or go down fighting. I'm far too spiteful to actually give someone my cargo.

Besides that, in the time necessary for me to slowly realize that the pirate before me is a player, remembering how the com interface works and typing an answer, I'd be dead three times over. Since dying while very slowly typing "I do not have any cargo" or "4t worth of my stuff are not worth it, try someone else" is only funny the first three times, I've decided spite is the way to go.

 

[Truesilver]

Well, I have never pirated anyone IRL. A few layers of 'pretend' won't hurt.

As it happens, I am a vigilante executioner in game and also IRL, although I totally understand that some players prefer to try a different persona in game.

Personally I just thought, 'Stick with what you know.'

 

[CMDR GTR2014]

Obviously I can't talk for other people, but if I get caught in open by a real human pirate, I tend to either highwake out or go down fighting. I'm far too spiteful to actually give someone my cargo.

Besides that, in the time necessary for me to slowly realize that the pirate before me is a player, remembering how the com interface works and typing an answer, I'd be dead three times over. Since dying while very slowly typing "I do not have any cargo" or "4t worth of my stuff are not worth it, try someone else" is only funny the first three times, I've decided spite is the way to go.

Relax when you see a REAL pirate like me you'll have all time to write "i give up" or "ok ok it's yours" when you slowly drift in the cold space with no thrusters

Is your name the same as the forum?

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As it happens, I am a vigilante executioner in game and also IRL, although I totally understand that some players prefer to try a different persona in game.

Personally I just thought, 'Stick with what you know.'

I'm a seller, but in game a pirate....no much different!

Ps: you're welcome to try to stop me

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Because PvE piracy is boring?

You can't talk to AI and get a meaningful response... with players, you can. Remember, pirates don't pirate for money, we pirate for fun. Money is a side effect of that fun. It comes if we're good at it, and we enjoy it, but the fun is our meal.

Doesn't matter how much cargo i got from it's owner, what matter is that i got it

I said that on station other day.... got a pair of BH on my tail because of that!

 

[Querty Out]

Hey pal, try to shoot their thursters out... most people become very civil when they realise that they cant run or fight anymore.... the sucess rate of a piracy attack is 10% at the start of a interdiction,30% when you actually pull then to normal speed, and 70% when you remove their trhusters...


Believe me they do read those messages they just don't take you seriously.... So is up to you to show then that you are in power of their fate, FOR REAL....

I've yet to write some macro for this kind of situation, most times i like to write what com e into my head....

"Ok the fight is over, now prepare to hand over the cargo. 10 tones" or something like that , that both states that you'll not kill him but you want the cargo is very effective... most people just reply with "K" but that's fine... another detail, always ask for cargo drop BEFORE reboot, while is best to get all the cargo in the same place, asking for the cargo first means that you wont see any dirty trick...

if you'd like, we have a pirate discord where you'd be welcome to join:
https://discord.gg/93uWG

o7 CMDR lets change the galaxy , one heist at a time

And to all the non pirate folks...

Remember, The Greedy Raider always give you a choice

Thank you. For now I'm quite happy with being an unsophisticated part-time pirate using whatever instrument is at hand at the time. I am aware of the thruster shoot-out and hatch breaker options and have applied the former on occasions; the latter I have yet to try.

 

[Libluini]

Relax when you see a REAL pirate like me you'll have all time to write "i give up" or "ok ok it's yours" when you slowly drift in the cold space with no thrusters

Is your name the same as the forum?

Nope, but even if it were, I'm 22k light years from Sol and get farther away each day. Knowing my commander name won't help you. But if pirating ever gets boring to you, go out exploring. Every time you see Lothal Vanderheim plastered over some rock, that was me.

 

[Gunnet]

Nope, but even if it were, I'm 22k light years from Sol and get farther away each day. Knowing my commander name won't help you. But if pirating ever gets boring to you, go out exploring. Every time you see Lothal Vanderheim plastered over some rock, that was me.

Hey, I'm sure I've seen that name on things before. It's always fun to come across tags I recognise from the forums.

The first one I ever saw was Agony_Aunt.

 

[Kigre]

Im gonna guess and say that some Cmdr's dont want to give anyone the pleasure of robbing them...and will easily take the rebuy.

 

[Truesilver]

Im gonna guess and say that some Cmdr's dont want to give anyone the pleasure of robbing them...and will easily take the rebuy.

Repped for still having the best sig on the forums.

 

[Deinonychus2012]

Or maybe it's just that NPC pirates are hilariously easy to outrun and that's what players are used to doing.

That cost me a couple million credits the one and only time I was interdicted by another player during the Morai CG (the one that paid like 10x what it was supposed to). I was in my Clipper, he was in an FdL. I thought "Pfft, I can easily outrun him!" And I would have if not for the fact that A) I forgot about the existence of engineered thrusters, and B) that the FdL can mass-lock the Clipper even though it weighs half as much and is half the size.

 

[Truesilver]

That cost me a couple million credits the one and only time I was interdicted by another player during the Morai CG (the one that paid like 10x what it was supposed to). I was in my Clipper, he was in an FdL. I thought "Pfft, I can easily outrun him!" And I would have if not for the fact that A) I forgot about the existence of engineered thrusters, and B) that the FdL can mass-lock the Clipper even though it weighs half as much and is half the size.

Lol - in 1.3 the complaints were the other way around!

You see, in 1.2 the FdL was introduced to the game with the second highest mass lock factor after the Anaconda (yes, higher than Python and the Cutter/Corvette not being in game until much later).

In 1.3 it was dialled back to being the same as the Clipper.

Quite a few FdL pilots died in the first couple of weeks of 1.3, not understanding why their FSD was charging so slowly...

 

[Kigre]

Repped for still having the best sig on the forums.

Haha, thanks.

 

[VR Lucian Arkright]

For me, the only cargo I tend to carry is that I've been contracted to carry. If you're asking for the cargo, I'm not only losing my profits, I'm also paying the client compensation, ans having to spend time repairing the damage to my good name.

Or, in simpler terms, I normally only carry mission cargo, you ask me to jettison it, I fail the mission, and have to pay a fine.

 

[CMDR GTR2014]

Nope, but even if it were, I'm 22k light years from Sol and get farther away each day. Knowing my commander name won't help you. But if pirating ever gets boring to you, go out exploring. Every time you see Lothal Vanderheim plastered over some rock, that was me.

did my exploring way early before engineers in a cobra...(not even fully build for exploring BTW), then did again on an anaconda going "up" on the galatic plane... i had my share of names around the galaxy... one that i'm proud of... i found an ELW 1600LY above the galatic plane , and with my name on it

But piracy is in my veins... since i started doing it in game becamo part of me and I even changed my in game name to a pirate stile one

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For me, the only cargo I tend to carry is that I've been contracted to carry. If you're asking for the cargo, I'm not only losing my profits, I'm also paying the client compensation, ans having to spend time repairing the damage to my good name.

Or, in simpler terms, I normally only carry mission cargo, you ask me to jettison it, I fail the mission, and have to pay a fine.

hum i've never robed someone on mission run... but talking is usually the best idea... appealing for the pirate heart hahahahaha! I've left some victims alone because they were nice enough...

 

[bigity]

Maybe they would rather die even if running than roll over for a crook.

Says the guy caught in our PP space with a piracy loadout (for undermining piracy) screaming at someone to stop shooting him.

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I never drop cargo. Never been destroyed by a pirate either. Have destroyed many, many, pirates. Would probably rather lose the ship entirely rather than surrender a single ton of cargo, as a point of pride.

I actually feel a little insulted when someone tries to pirate me. Like they're that good, or I'm that bad, or it would even matter if that were the case. So, I invariably escape, drive them off, or destroy them on the spot...then comeback with a combat ship and hound them every time I encounter them from then on.

So....basically you are saying the same things every customer says, ever.

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A lot of the times the people you interdict don't realize immediately they are being interdicted by a real person. For this reason I find it's better to disable drives rather than destroy ships or mass lock and use a hatch breaker. I often pvp pirate but have never actually destroyed someone's ship.

If only that didn't cause the ship to speed away at max speed.

 

[lenna]

I've interdicted traders at CGs before and demanded they tell me a joke...it didn't even need to be a good one an two thirds ran or combat logged. Figure that one out.

They probably think you are some kind of sociopath or psychopath and are highly likely to shoot them regardless (and who could blame them).

@OP: there could be a language barrier issue - something that can not be 100% ruled out. A demand cargo system - based on the current mission update/radiant mission system - could be a way to address any potential language barrier concerns. It could also help rule out the possibility of missing a text message.

Another issue could be caused indirectly by VR headsets because such players may ignore/avoid in-game text comms due to issues with using a keyboard effectively blind.

 

[babelfisch]

Because that way you lost. They beat you. You gained nothing by destroying them but received a bounty. Destroying the ship is the ultimate failure for a pirate. My suggestion: Get good
- use hatchbreakers to bypass their shields
- disable their thursters
- use missiles...

A pirate that doesn't manage to steal anything...

Off topic:
After reading through the last 14 pages, where did that idea came from that the forum doesn't react well to PvP topics?

 

[drzdeano]

So I was pirating at the Parun CG last night and had 6, or so, customers. My demands were: drop 4t (four!) of cargo. I've stated demands before opening fire (and waited for a response) and then repeatedly while firing at the target. I let players go if they dropped cargo even if they tried to run first (other pirates may not).

But: Some players chose to be destroyed rather than dropping 4t. They are in Open with the chance of piracy and when someone comes along with very reasonable demands they seem to prefer losing their ship over it??

Help me understand.... Why?

a while back i got bored and starting interdicting newbs in sidewinders and forcing imperial slaves upon them, if they didnt agree or ignored me , i would engage, but most of the time my hauler wasnt able to destroy those insolent fools!

But anyway, my point being i was practically ramming 60k in goods into their holds and the vast majority would just run, only after the 4th or 5th interdiction when they finally found their chat menu ,and asked what i wanted. Did they finally realize i wasn't trying to gank them.

Why would a noob be scared of gankers? how would he even know? because the fear mongers around here had spread such a bad rep on the forums here , you have scared people away from the game and away from any social interaction, that may have allowed them to enjoy the multiplayer aspect.

People who spread fear are a cancer to society.

Dont be cancer.

 

[anikaiful]

So I was pirating at the Parun CG last night and had 6, or so, customers. My demands were: drop 4t (four!) of cargo. I've stated demands before opening fire (and waited for a response) and then repeatedly while firing at the target. I let players go if they dropped cargo even if they tried to run first (other pirates may not).

But: Some players chose to be destroyed rather than dropping 4t. They are in Open with the chance of piracy and when someone comes along with very reasonable demands they seem to prefer losing their ship over it??

Help me understand.... Why?

If they don't have cargo to drop, then they can't possibly obey even if they wanted to - Cargo Scanned them?

 

[babelfisch]

a while back i got bored and starting interdicting newbs in sidewinders and forcing imperial slaves upon them, if they didnt agree or ignored me , i would engage, but most of the time my hauler wasnt able to destroy those insolent fools!

But anyway, my point being i was practically ramming 60k in goods into their holds and the vast majority would just run, only after the 4th or 5th interdiction when they finally found their chat menu ,and asked what i wanted. Did they finally realize i wasn't trying to gank them.

Why would a noob be scared of gankers? how would he even know? because the fear mongers around here had spread such a bad rep on the forums here , you have scared people away from the game and away from any social interaction, that may have allowed them to enjoy the multiplayer aspect.

People who spread fear are a cancer to society.

Dont be cancer.

Those who got blown up for no reason are to blame? Not sure if you got your causalities right.

 

[drzdeano]

Those who got blown up for no reason are to blame? Not sure if you got your causalities right.

The only people i was blaming were fearmongers.

Im not blaming the newbwinders for anything, they are noobs of course they cant figure out the poor chat menu we have.
It just sucks for them that the punishment for non-compliance was death. Elite has a steep learning curve/ED is a dangerous place ..etc

Non english speakers were given a free pass mind you.