Because you're a robber and deserve nothing. Try a career with honour that doesn't inconvenience others.
PVP piracy - Destroyed three trader ships over 4t of cargo... help me understand
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If you haul slaves you are just as bad in my eyes.
Sterling MH
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My name... Is Inigo Montoya. Prepare to die!
I think I worked out what will be in 2.4: Crime and Punishment. But in the meantime, we have to police the universe ourselves.
I saw my father killed and me and my family sold into slavery by pirates. I broke free and stole a sidewinder. I swear vengeance on pirates. The self-styled "Pirate Lords" (aka CMDR Pirates) I find will be placed on a list, their names burned into my memory (aka "pen and paper"). And I will amass a fortune and buy a ship and go looking for this "Pirate Lord" who bragged about their past to me as they held me helpless in my unarmed hauler and stole the 12 tons of machine parts I spent all my money on. I will hunt them down and destroy them utterly, finding them time and time again, asking every CMDR I meet, "Where is CMD LulzBunny?" until I find them again, and again, and again. I will then tell them "I am Inigo Montoya. You kill my father. Prepare to die" and I will kill them mercilessly, sending them straight back to the hell they crawled from.
And as they die, I will scream at them
I WANT MY FATHER BACK, YOU SON-OF-A-BEACHBALL!!!!
I will hunt down the Pirate Lords when they reveal themselves to me until they are all gone and my father's soul will finally be at peace.
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So one option for all likewise orphaned traders and pilots is to name your killer and we will search for them wherever they may hide, and tell you when we have found them so they can face your fury. We will follow them and protect the innocent from being added to the tales of woe, and drop into space beside the pirate in interdiction and remove their threat to save another.
We will not patrol the safety of those foolish enough to trade with anarchists, co-conspirators of pirates as they are, and we will not kill a commander on the say-so of any other, for we are not vigilantes. But we will spread the names of the vile ones and help eradicate the universe of this scum forever, leaving them if they will not die, to huddle in their safe space at anarchy ports, praying on one another until they manufacture their own destruction.
Then we can rest and give our dear departed their final farewells, knowing that their deaths bought the safety of others.
I think I worked out what will be in 2.4: Crime and Punishment. But in the meantime, we have to police the universe ourselves.
I saw my father killed and me and my family sold into slavery by pirates. I broke free and stole a sidewinder. I swear vengeance on pirates. The self-styled "Pirate Lords" (aka CMDR Pirates) I find will be placed on a list, their names burned into my memory (aka "pen and paper"). And I will amass a fortune and buy a ship and go looking for this "Pirate Lord" who bragged about their past to me as they held me helpless in my unarmed hauler and stole the 12 tons of machine parts I spent all my money on. I will hunt them down and destroy them utterly, finding them time and time again, asking every CMDR I meet, "Where is CMD LulzBunny?" until I find them again, and again, and again. I will then tell them "I am Inigo Montoya. You kill my father. Prepare to die" and I will kill them mercilessly, sending them straight back to the hell they crawled from.
And as they die, I will scream at them
I WANT MY FATHER BACK, YOU SON-OF-A-BEACHBALL!!!!
I will hunt down the Pirate Lords when they reveal themselves to me until they are all gone and my father's soul will finally be at peace.
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So one option for all likewise orphaned traders and pilots is to name your killer and we will search for them wherever they may hide, and tell you when we have found them so they can face your fury. We will follow them and protect the innocent from being added to the tales of woe, and drop into space beside the pirate in interdiction and remove their threat to save another.
We will not patrol the safety of those foolish enough to trade with anarchists, co-conspirators of pirates as they are, and we will not kill a commander on the say-so of any other, for we are not vigilantes. But we will spread the names of the vile ones and help eradicate the universe of this scum forever, leaving them if they will not die, to huddle in their safe space at anarchy ports, praying on one another until they manufacture their own destruction.
Then we can rest and give our dear departed their final farewells, knowing that their deaths bought the safety of others.
Even bigger idiots... with one exception perhaps... when they have a wingman who acts as the "mule".
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Assumptions are the mother of all <bleep>ups... people who make these kinds of assumptions are not idiots, just plain stupid IMO.I don't use Cargo Scanner because is very easy to know that i player is a cargo ship... and because i pirate at CGs which is obvious who is who there
If you want to come after me , I will send you to your father
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Even bigger idiots... with one exception perhaps... when they have a wingman who acts as the "mule".
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Assumptions are the mother of all <bleep>ups... people who make these kinds of assumptions are not idiots, just plain stupid IMO.
Not really, because I interdict EVERYONE, doesnt matter the ship size or stile... I once interdicted a guy in a vulture, and he said: " no cargo, but i liked your bounty!" , sad for him that he died
...One guy tried talking his way and negotiating the cargo amount, and droped 4 cargo instead of 10 and tried to run...
Some of them come and say that have no cargo, them i have to believe or not... if i dont believe AND got into a fight that takes time and effort that i could do with another ship that actually did run instead of talking OR giving up cargo, since anyone that runs from me is probably having cargo.
You can call me stupid, but my way have gave me a LOT of cargo , and lots of nice interactions with players, one guy actually called the police (NPC) in the local like it was a real robbery... other said that was the most adrenaline moment of the game for them... so all in all , i think my piracy has done much more to the game then you can think about it... Yes some people die... but that's part of the game , and mostly they die for their mistakes, since i ALWAYS gave people a choice, even when they are at 1%... is their call to die or give cargo
Lol 16 pages already... Don't have time to waddle through that, but I wouldn't surrender any ton of haulage from a lucrative mission. I have given meaningless low-level engi cargo to NPCs before so they eff off if I was in a trader/hauler config. It usually works. I would have no problem with dropping some stuff I don't need actually, but then I'm not a trader, more like freelancer.
bottom line: My reputation is important, and I would rather die than surrender my contract cargo.
bottom line: My reputation is important, and I would rather die than surrender my contract cargo.
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Well if you don't drop any for me you're a dead man
I said once and i gonna say again i play for RP, so if i can get 4 or 200 is the same thing...
Sterling MH
Banned
If you want to come after me , I will send you to your father
Strike me down and I will become even more powerful than you can imagine!
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Though calling the action "idiotic" would avoid the personalisation of the message and therefore avoid the insult, unless one were looking to get insulted...
But most people in conversation MEAN the action is idiotic (when they're talking about an action, doubly so when it's an unspecidied "other" placeholder metasyntactic variable) when they say "idiots". Active voice and directed intent are both quicker and simpler conversational methods, and we will all fall into those pitfalls when we're rushed or excited.
And then again, some will use the "this action is idiotic" when they MEAN to insult. Thing is with humans, sometimes you just can't win.
What this means is that there wasn't necessarily insult intended, but we can't tell, so try your best, we are all human, to avoid adding to confusion.
Unless you MEAN to insult, in which case it's only common decency to say so. Nothing more than a patently fake "Oh, I didn't say YOU were an idiot...". It has all the insult with none of the release.
Sounds like a challenge...
Nah hes more worried about the guy down below calling people idiot or stupid . I find it good moderation 'cause things always sparks from someone rasing little subtle "IMO" post...
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Sterling MH
Banned
And what you'll get is nobody in open to prey on. Whoop. Whattagame, eh?
Piracy PvP MUST be consentual, even if it's implicit by the fact you wandered into an anarchy system. If you force people to be YOUR gameplay, I'm not kidding, groups WILL form to vigilante your into the rebuy screen until you're back in the stock borrowed sidewinder and stay there, because they won't let your noob ship dissuade them from flattening you.
And you, with your "I RP a pirate!" rubbish (no, you're not a pirate, you're sitting in jeans and tshirt in front of a PC. This is a GAME, and your momma told you many times to play nice with others, this is why), so we have to have ground rules. Or Inigo Montoya will be telling you over and over and over again that you will die. And you will die. Quicker and quicker as your rebuy covers a smaller and smaller ship. Because *I'm* RPing The Punisher.
If someone in a trader keeps weapons closed and tells you to get lost, find someone else to play pirates and wenches with. If someone wanders, even by accident, into anarchy space, they're accepting piracy as a risk. And if someone gets away once, you let them go, period. They won this time, look for someone else. If you keep interdicting a trader when you're in a combat specialist ship, you are in 0% risk, so accept the risk they get away.
Heck, you could use the confusion of a combat zone in power play to get some sneaky piracy in, or just loot the corpses and stuff strewn around.
Because if you don't, people you grief and ignore THEIR preferred playstyle to make them play yours, AS THE LOSING SIDE, you're nothing but a bully, and they'll leave for Solo, get good then hunt you down, even organising wolfpacks to corner you and hammer you flat. EVERY time. And when they need more cash to rebuy and upgrade, they'll go solo again and peacefully trade, safe from you, and leaving you with nobody but combat CMDR ships to target.
You not liking it, thinking it harassment? Meaningless. If you act like a bully, then you're harassing others, you get no shrift to complain about returns with interest. And you'll wake up nights with the words "I want my father back, you son-of-a-beachball" running through your head because you've heard it so often. And exit. And then there will be no non-consentual PvP and no need for Solo or Mobius or even Crime and Punishment.
Because bullies find there's not much fun when others ignore the maxim "play nice with others".
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No. I won't challenge. I wont play fair. Because playing fair is not an option for those who don't want to play fair themselves. I'd just flatten you and failing that, try again, and again, until you flatten,then I'll keep doing it. Get friends and gang up.
It won't be a challenge. It'll just be pest control. You don't get down mandible to mandible with the spider in your house, you just remove it.
Use hatch breakers?Well if you don't drop any for me you're a dead man
I said once and i gonna say again i play for RP, so if i can get 4 or 200 is the same thing...
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A pirate without hatch breakers and containment missiles is not a pirate, just like a trader without cargo racks is not a trader IMO.
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That's where lies the problem , Unfortunately they are bugged. They've been since 2.0 , right now the only way to effectively remove cargo is cargo malfunction or player to dump it by himself.. Other than that only the player will lose the cargo, and i will get none of it, it would be Ok for RP, but that's wrong since the cargo is lost instead of going somewhere IMO
Working cargo rob was only possible since 2.2 since to get the cargo from someone you'd have to make him stay in instance while you collect.
Plus, hatch breaker are an insult... a cheap way of doing it, there's no passion, no combat, no fun actually for both sides... just a limped doing all the work...
Like I said before, mot of the time my piracy is seen with good eyes from the pirated. sometimes i meet then at the station , and they tell me how they got an adrenaline rush of it , and i explain stuff for them , like why thy lost and etc etc...
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I have something BETTER then the Containment Missiles
Yes, destroying ships without getting any cargo. Well done! You are not a pirate. You fail at the very definition of pirating.
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Sorry, I confused you with OP, don't know if you are any more efficient than him...
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Sterling MH
Banned
And I heard that they now skip shields, so no need to burn the traders' shields first.
But the point is that if there's no ground rules allowing people to play the game to their satisfaction, and, yes, that DOES mean consentual, just like making love to a beautiful woman... (hang on, who let Swiss Tony in here???), then everyone goes Solo and PvP Pirates get NPCs only.
Now, if NPC only piracy was game enough for them that they're OK with this being a possibility, then it's darn well good enough for them now. So either this needs to be hashed out to keep player traders in, or it needs PvP Piracy be dropped because NPC is good enough. Either way the status quo HAS to change.
And if "I'm RP Blackbeard" is excuse enough to force someone to be their whipping boy without consent then "I'm RP The Punisher" and I get a PvP woody going and grind credits to pay for it in solo, 100% safe. And I won't be the only one.
It's in EVERYONE'S interest to sort this out, though. Player pirates are more dangerous and capable, so their presence in hotspots and anarchy systems makes the game more vibrant. Their presence outside that makes no sense, though. Not even in RP. Because Somali pirates don't go cruising the Med for ships and scoot back to Somali waters to avoid the cops. They patrol and pounce anyone going through the anarchic Somali territorial waters AND STAY THERE. So RP wise, you are only valid playing your role in Anarchy systems.
But if crime and punishment were added and was effective as a brake on PvP griefing by dint of making it more and more dangerous and liable to failure the higher the security and the further from anarchy posts you were, then the rest of the universe would be more alive too.
But that also means more for pirating players to do in piracy, more places where the "only sane route" is through an anarchy system, alternatives taking twice as long (SEE "Traveling is sooo boring" people, THIS is why it should be somewhat tedious, otherwise this longer safer route would be a no-brainer to take, no balance profits per hour and enjoyment against risk of losing it all and grinding back up).
But piracy, even limited to consent and anarchy, have more fun than miners. So don't gripe so much.
I don't have the same idea of Consent then you but that's ok,and that's natural.
If you want to come down on me in a Corvette or something feel free. I'm giving you consent to hunt me in the Open with whatever means you want alone or in a wing of 4, in a sidewinder or in a Fully modded Corvette. You can attack me anywhere you think I'm most fragile, at any point in game. You can even keep the report crimes on , that i will shoot you first and them you'd have the cops on your side.I give you FULL permit to attack me,when , with what,with who, and where ever you want.
I will be in my cobra. The same one that i always did my heists, to find me you can ask for a random friend to add me as a friend and track me down.
So this is enough for you to come after me?
Sterling MH
Banned
Do you think there needs to be some group to start up to add watchlists of such "characters" to, at the very least these would allow people to avoid them when there are no distinguishing characteristics, a necessary part of making consent part of the gameplay.
"RP-wise" still have to wait until they yanked me out and I said "Get lost, I'm not your gameplay, bro. Find someone else" before waking out (FA off, run silent at long range and pick a direction and vector off then turn off the engines too would work as well) and leaving for Solo if the kept trying it on with me.
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That's why I have no compunction in not playing a game with you and just eradicating you. With another human being, I'd be concerned. You? Not so much.
Not necessarily true, depends on relative piloting skills. At least some PvP players think they have uber skills when in fact they don't.
It is possibly true in the main when you talk about them ganging up on other players which in the case of the AI tends to happen less frequently - but to me that is a negative point.
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I'd prefer a working C&P system and meaningful security levels rather than block lists.
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