So you want to know about the Formidine Rift? (Part 3)

just watched ants latest video about alpha site. he said something i didnt consider yet: there must be an abandonded ship out there. couple of pages back i posted locations of ELs. could someone check these out and try searching for uss (maybe a static one) with the same method as you would search for UPs eg really close to the planet and a bit faster than 30km/s.

question is.. is there a ship to find at all, mr wagar?!
 
Taken in isolation, the implication is that they were killed because they were discussing the beacons. However, it could be a continuation of the the 'suicide by ejection' theme.

I'm leaning more toward people being murdered/spaced because they're a liability to the secrecy of the mission.

The airlock one being more blatant because of the direct correlation with the beacons being discussed.
The FR ones are less clear, but if people are going space crazy then they could crack and leak information. The powers that be would see "suicide by airlock" as a clean way to get rid of a problem in that situation.
 
*Ahem*
Conflux Beta Mission
Witch-space is different out here, there's something odd, those lights we were seeing are less frequent now, but they seem to be hanging around, almost as if they're following us. Maybe I'm going nuts.

And we're still missing 3 of the Conflux bases...

Yup there's still space for it to develop, but it's not full on reports yet.

I remain concerned this is all just teaser for the hyperdictions and now rather irrelevant. It all sounds very much like them.

Still kinda twitchy just how exactly the hyperdiction matches how I described wanting the rift attack incident to go.
 
Well ... I don't think it was the Federation either. If it were then they'd already have the locations of the bases. They wouldn't need a CG to find them. The whole thing stinks of INRA if you ask me.

Absolutely, they're notable by absence of mention especially considering "Aliens R Us" is their mission. These expeditions are happening 20 years after dealing with the thargoids and we're 30 years late to this particular party. As far as the general public is concerned they don't exist and are part of a rumored history as there's only one official mention of them.

12 August 3302 galactic News, history, thargoids 4 Views
Continuing our series on significant episodes from human history, noted historian Sima Kalhana discusses the Thargoids.
“Are we alone in the universe? It’s a question we’ve been asking for millennia. Even before we expanded into space, we wondered about the possibility of non-human intelligence.”
“Of course, for some, the question has already been answered. We have seen the aliens and we have given them a name: the Thargoids. But accounts of Thargoid encounters are shrouded in so much ambiguity, it is hard to accept them as proof of extraterrestrial intelligence. Furthermore, there have been no credible reports of Thargoid sightings for hundreds of years.”
“The first reported Thargoid encounters date from 3125, when accounts surfaced that pilots had been pulled from witch-space and attacked by mysterious octagonal starships. Witnesses asserted that the strange vessels were exceptionally fast and remarkably manoeuvrable. Pilots who survived these experiences were convinced they had encountered extraterrestrials, and named the aliens ‘Thargoids’.”
“As news of these encounters spread, rumours surfaced that the interdictions might be a response to an earlier human attack. Leaked Federal intelligence indicated that colonists in the Veliaze system had encountered and assaulted an extraterrestrial deputation shortly before the Thargoid interdictions began. Suggestions that the Thargoid attacks were a reaction to this attack carried more than a hint of plausibility.”
“Not long after, reports of Thargoid encounters came to an abrupt halt. In the decades that followed, not one credible account of a Thargoid encounter was reported. For some, this was proof that the original reports were groundless – ‘the fantasies of lonely pilots, looking for attention’, as Arvan Corto of the Imperial Navy said at the time.”
“But public opinion shifted in 3250 when reports emerged that the disappearance of the Thargoids might have been a direct consequence of a covert anti-Thargoid operation. An anonymous message, delivered to a number of media outlets, claimed that an organisation known as the Intergalactic Naval Reserve Arm had developed a chemical weapon specifically designed to target Thargoid technology. This chemical – known as the mycoid virus – was designed to attack plastic polymers, which were believed to be present in Thargoid hyperdrive systems. The fact that the virus also appeared to harm the Thargoids led to speculation that the aliens’ bodies might contain some kind of polymer-like material. The report was dismissed by many leading political figures as a conspiracy theory, but some asserted that it contained enough plausible detail be believable.”
“Since then, very little credible information has emerged. The original accounts from 3125 report that Thargoid ships can execute huge hyperspace jumps, while information purportedly from INRA documents indicates that the Thargoids originate from an ammonia-based world. There are even rumours that the Thargoids have a collective consciousness or ‘hive mind’. Some of the less outlandish theories include the suggestion that electronic countermeasure technology was reverse-engineered from captured Thargoid vessels.”
“And what of the barnacles, Unknown Artefacts and Unknown Probes? Many believe these objects are of non-human origin, which has led to speculation that they were created by the Thargoids. Unfortunately, however, analysis of these objects has not yielded any concrete information about their origin or purpose.”
“Are the Thargoids real? Frankly, I don’t know. But if they are, their true nature can only be guessed at.”

Forget the Dark Wheel, they're only important when the INRA uses them as a front. I'd bet C.o.R. are shills for INRA and don't even know it. They're a spoke on the great and secret Dark Wheel because some old woman told them so because who else could cowled shadowy figures be who told her so. Gotta get a shadowy cowl, does versace have a line of cowls? Guess a hoodie will have to do.
 
Well I've just parked on some reddish brown marble on the edge of the Orion Nebula that happens to be the furthest I've been out of the bubble. I'm feeling all Eddie Explorer, so I started reading about what you real explorers do while I have some down time. I'd make a joke about not telling the boss here, but it's not like I'm going to fire myself. Combine all this lovely lore and intrigue with a recent conversation I've had with a friend of mine about how he chose his wedding date and how funny it was his fiancee didn't know the significance of the number...

But I digress. Here are a few observations and hypotheses I've made in the past short while I've been reading. Apologies if this has been explored in the 800+page anthology that makes up these 3 threads. I read the helpful summaries and didn't see anything.

We've been told to look into the etymology of Kahina's name. Being a sucker for history, I did so and found there was some dispute there. Seems that's the name that Arab historians gave her to denote her as a Jewish sorcerer. Her Jewish name was in fact Dihya or some variant of that spelling. The closest I could find that would translate to Hebrew maintaining some kind of historical or etymological connection was Dahlia or דַהלִיָה. Kahina is קאהינה. Furthermore, Salome gets you סלומה. To go even further, the roots of "a cadmean victory" can wind their way back to Hebrew. See the etymology of the man Cadmus possibly include the Semitic triliteral root of KDM either directly signifying "east," the word qedem (קדם) "front," "east" or the verb qadam (קָדַם) "to be in front."

It seems like a coincidence, but a cop friend of mine once told me that once you see enough in life, you realize there's no such thing as coincidence. So armed with the track record of the existence and teasing of codes, multiple meanings, and characters having "twists" I searched for any information I could about our good friend Drew's affinity for Hebrew. I found something interesting on page 203 of this document. So the MO seems to fit.

So why the bit about my friends wedding? Well it's going to be a big Jewish wedding on the 13th. Now a lot of people were confused by the "bad luck" of this date, my friend's fiancee included. Which my friend had a good laugh at because his fiancee taught Hebrew. Keen observer, good listener, and repository of random information I am, I quickly picked up on the irony here and asked my pal "So what word turns into 13 in Hebrew then?" He told me it was love (אהבה). See in Hebrew, words have numerical values. Do you see where I'm going?

In no particular order,
- Dihya/Dahlia - דַהלִיָה - 54
- Kahina - קאהינה - 171
- Salome - סלומה - 141

- qedem - קדם - 144
- qadam - קָדַם - 144

Now if we try to apply an assumption to the names; Dihya/Dahlia was a birth name, and she was given the name of Kahina by historians. Kahina Loren eventually took the name Salome. Dihya turned into Kahina who turned into Salome. 54-171-141. Could be coordinates, a vector, a direction or step in directions from a known landmark. Don't know. Could be nothing.

Qedem/qadam both have more interest to me as "east" or "front" and "to be in front" especially when we realize that could be describing the position of whatever it is we're looking for in relation to a landmark, say a nebula/ae or the rift.

Then we're on to the "daughter remembers the giraffe's hero" or whatever cryptic message from the good old Cobra transmission at Tionisla (apologies if I'm mixing this up, but I've taken in a lot over the past few hours). Could we apply either Hebrew or English Gematria to turn these words into meaningful numbers?

Does any of this line up with what you experts have seen happening so far in this mystery?

Apologies for any ignorance on my part, this may have been brought up before, it's my first day getting involved with this mystery, and I'm not a Talmudic scholar.

If one of you finds something at 54/171/141 I expect a beer or two out of the deal!
 
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just watched ants latest video about alpha site. he said something i didnt consider yet: there must be an abandonded ship out there. couple of pages back i posted locations of ELs. could someone check these out and try searching for uss (maybe a static one) with the same method as you would search for UPs eg really close to the planet and a bit faster than 30km/s.

question is.. is there a ship to find at all, mr wagar?!

I had actually forgotten about this until you just posted this. When the CG was going on I did find a USS in Pru Aescs OX-L d7-228 with ship debris. I never made it back to see if it was persistent or not, but I'm going to check it out later tonight.

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+/- 8K ly from Sol. It toke me 8h to get here. Whit stops on the way to smoke, etc, etc. :p

Hmm, so i'm looking at roughly 6 hours.. lol. Think i will head out there soon thanks Azrael!


EDIT: No idea what happened to that quote o.0
 
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At the last Rift planet. I want to search negative co-ordinates as all the others have been, but it's dark and low gravity and Im tired! Anyone else going for just the negative co-ordinates on here?

Currently searching the smaller of the impact craters at -38 / 138. It's below and to the right of the biggest on the planet and it's still huge in size.
 
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Based on this map I'm following the -174 degree line south. Started at about -8 degrees, currently at about -12. Was planning on going to around -46 before offsetting and coming back north.

I'm on EAFOTS GL-Y E2 6 looking for the Delta site.
Cool, I'm there too, not searched properly yet, only had time to do a 1/2hr trial run today.
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Btw, why -174? As good as any, just wondered ;)
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Incidentally, do you realise we're searching a planet bigger than Earth!? :eek:
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Alkibiades
Ah was it you who posted the ELWs, I'd planned to write those down, but I forgot :(, remember what they were? Or where in this thread?
 
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It's hard

I'm at A3A right now. Radius is 712km, tidally locked with permanent dark side. Been here for 5 days now, nothing to report. Also has silicate vapour geysers though I have not found any.
CMDR Valks

I am at A3A last 3 days. Nothing. But the geysers location is some 20 pages back in this thread - it's quite a big field. The planet drives me mad, nice canyons and mountains with uneven craters attached to it, you would never expect from looking at the map. I had quite some POIs with DataPoints to scan and some smokin' SRV wrecks. I hate this place. I cannot leave though...
 
October 7, 3270

Formidine Rift Alpha Mission
I'm scared... help me someone... I can't bear another jump. The lights in witch-space are coming for me. The lights... always the lights... they're calling to me... a siren song... I must join them...

October 8, 3270

Formidine Rift Alpha Mission
AUTOMATED TELEMETRY REPORT: CANOPY BLAST BOLTS ACTIVATED. LIFE SUPPORT MALFUNCTION. CREW VITAL SIGNS TERMINATED. SHIP SYSTEMS ENGAGING STANDBY MODE. DISTRESS BEACON ACTIVATED.



Anybody else read this as suicide by ejection?

Could be murder.
 
Cool, I'm there too, not searched properly yet, only had time to do a 1/2hr trial run today.
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Btw, why -174? As good as any, just wondered ;)
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Incidentally, do you realise we're searching a planet bigger than Earth!? :eek:
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Alkibiades
Ah was it you who posted the ELWs, I'd planned to write those down, but I forgot :(, remember what they were? Or where in this thread?

The other Rift sites plotted on the map basically start to form a rectangle. I am going under the assumption that the Delta settlement completes the rectangle, which would put it somewhere near the -174 line. I picked the latitude to search based off the other side of the "rectangle", or maybe more appropriate to call it a trapezoid. This theory may have no validity at all, but I don't have any other ideas outside of brute force search.
 
Well I've just parked on some reddish brown marble on the edge of the Orion Nebula that happens to be the furthest I've been out of the bubble. I'm feeling all Eddie Explorer, so I started reading about what you real explorers do while I have some down time. I'd make a joke about not telling the boss here, but it's not like I'm going to fire myself. Combine all this lovely lore and intrigue with a recent conversation I've had with a friend of mine about how he chose his wedding date and how funny it was his fiancee didn't know the significance of the number...

But I digress. Here are a few observations and hypotheses I've made in the past short while I've been reading. Apologies if this has been explored in the 800+page anthology that makes up these 3 threads. I read the helpful summaries and didn't see anything.

We've been told to look into the etymology of Kahina's name. Being a sucker for history, I did so and found there was some dispute there. Seems that's the name that Arab historians gave her to denote her as a Jewish sorcerer. Her Jewish name was in fact Dihya or some variant of that spelling. The closest I could find that would translate to Hebrew maintaining some kind of historical or etymological connection was Dahlia or דַהלִיָה. Kahina is קאהינה. Furthermore, Salome gets you סלומה. To go even further, the roots of "a cadmean victory" can wind their way back to Hebrew. See the etymology of the man Cadmus possibly include the Semitic triliteral root of KDM either directly signifying "east," the word qedem (קדם) "front," "east" or the verb qadam (קָדַם) "to be in front."

It seems like a coincidence, but a cop friend of mine once told me that once you see enough in life, you realize there's no such thing as coincidence. So armed with the track record of the existence and teasing of codes, multiple meanings, and characters having "twists" I searched for any information I could about our good friend Drew's affinity for Hebrew. I found something interesting on page 203 of this document. So the MO seems to fit.

So why the bit about my friends wedding? Well it's going to be a big Jewish wedding on the 13th. Now a lot of people were confused by the "bad luck" of this date, my friend's fiancee included. Which my friend had a good laugh at because she taught Hebrew. Keen observer, good listener, and repository of random information I am, I quickly picked up on the irony here and asked my pal "So what word turns into 13 in Hebrew then?" He told me it was love (אהבה). See in Hebrew, words have numerical values. Do you see where I'm going?

In no particular order,
- Dihya/Dahlia - דַהלִיָה - 54
- Kahina - קאהינה - 171
- Salome - סלומה - 141

- qedem - קדם - 144
- qadam - קָדַם - 144

Now if we try to apply an assumption to the names; Dihya/Dahlia was a birth name, and she was given the name of Kahina by historians. Kahina Loren eventually took the name Salome. Dihya turned into Kahina who turned into Salome. 54-171-141. Could be coordinates, a vector, a direction or step in directions from a known landmark. Don't know. Could be nothing.

Qedem/qadam both have more interest to me as "east" or "front" and "to be in front" especially when we realize that could be describing the position of whatever it is we're looking for in relation to a landmark, say a nebula/ae or the rift.

Then we're on to the "daughter remembers the giraffe's hero" or whatever cryptic message from the good old Cobra transmission at Tionisla (apologies if I'm mixing this up, but I've taken in a lot over the past few hours). Could we apply either Hebrew or English Gematria to turn these words into meaningful numbers?

Does any of this line up with what you experts have seen happening so far in this mystery?

Apologies for any ignorance on my part, this may have been brought up before, it's my first day getting involved with this mystery, and I'm not a Talmudic scholar.

If one of you finds something at 54/171/141 I expect a beer or two out of the deal!

Interesting theory.

About "Giraffe" I think its about constallations (following wiki)

Casiopeia - mother of andromeda - vain queen
Perseus - Andromeda's Hero
Giraffe - constallation

and now - let see where they are

http://imgur.com/a/9vZG4

yes.. around Heart&Soul :)
 
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My tinfoil theory goes something like this:

The pertinent message log from the base on EAFOTS EU-R C4-1 planet C2 for this theory:
Finally fixed the drive, more monotony. Can't believe it's nearly six months sice we set out from Riedquat. Did I say Riedquat? I meant Reorte. It's getting to me, this endless emptiness. The guys are showing the strain. Three more months before we can turn and head back. The stars are thinning out, you can the whole galaxy just hanging there...


The math:
It took them nearly six months to get from Reorte to EAFOTS EU-R C4-1 which is 8,434 light years away.
If they had half again that distance to go, it would be 4,217 more ly.
Add the 8,434 ly they have traveled and add the 4,217 ly they have left to travel and you get a total distance of 12,651 ly from Reorte to the 'Target Destination'.
Reorte is roughly at 48 on the Z axis, EAFOTS EU-R C4-1 is roughly at 129.
That's roughly an 81 increase on the Z axis in 6 months, so cut that in half to 40 left to go and add that to 129 to get a final Z of 169.

Now the hard part, how to make a line from Reorte through EAFOTS EU-R C4-1 to the Target Destination. I suck at this, and just used my eyeballs and the gal map. I flew to the area and then placed a selection triangle at EAFOTS EU-R C4-1, then went to Riorte. Spin the gal map around and I am 'behind' Riorte, lining up the blue triangle at EAFOTS with the orange triangle of my current location and doing my best to make them line up. Then add the Z height.

What have I noticed so far in my target area? No jumponium needed to get here in my 51ly capable Asp. The area I'm in has no CMDR tags. I'm experiencing the bug where the Heart (or is it Soul?) Nebula is not visible where it should be. This is a known bug, although some still think that there may be something blocking the view of the nebula.

Sound crazy?
Math wrong?
Comments welcome! Now that I'm in the area I'm just going to scan whatever systems are here and hope for the best.


Sir, I like the cut of your tinfoil hat.
My math may not be... stellar... so if anyone wants to double check it, rock on.
For Reorte and Eafots EU-R c4-1 i have...

"StarSystem":"Reorte", "StarPos":[75.750,48.750,75.156]
"StarSystem":"Eafots EU-R c4-1", "StarPos":[-5805.781,129.875,-5969.875]

so we get (x,y,z) = (75.750,48.750,75.156) + 1.5(-5805.781,129.875, -5969.875)
the line at the distance of 12,651 ly from Reorte through Eafots EU-R c4-1 would be at point (-8746.547, 170.4375, -8992.39)

which puts you in the area of spongaea su-p b47-o
 
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