Alien archeology and other mysteries: Thread 9 - The Canonn

[Fliposide]

I was just thinking outside the box and rather decode the ruins think of how ruins on Earth are decoded etc. Then it hit me Cuneiform is an ancient Sumerian writing method that uses Triangles.

Cuneiform Numbers:

Cuneiform Letter:

Also there is this Star Map which may aid us in decoding our site:

Anyone clever enough to see how this might help?

 

[Zambrick]

Very few = zero. Stars emit like black body, not like laser.


Omg.


Quantum entanglement cannot be used for transmitting (useful) information with faster-than-light speed.

Blackbodies are not stars and they do not exist. They are theoretical constructs used to define a theory. Nothing more.

I am talking light visible to the human eye. So stars that only burn and contain one type of fuel with little to no contamination will only emit at that particular elements color spectrum/wave length during the fusion process.

Not sure what the OMG is about but unless you can prove otherwise I would suggest keeping quiet.

so a basic binary movement of a quantum particle over an unlimited range could not be transferred into data. Try telling that to everyone else on the planet. They know better. Seeing as how that is the only real practical method that humans can perceive for the use of entangled particles right now. state one and state 0 is binary. However with quantum entanglement you can have all states at one time. Is the basis current quantum computers.
Another popular practice use would be to create quantum encryption for un breakable encryption because it would rely on the entangled particles particular state. Unbreakable encryption.

See this article. Its easy to understand. http://www.livescience.com/52811-spooky-action-is-real.html

 

[AdmlAdama]

Quantum entanglement cannot be used for transmitting (useful) information with faster-than-light speed.

Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle strikes again.

But yeah... it's all in good fun but the stress of not being able to figure this out has lots of us on edge so I wanted to say it's great to have everybody here with different ideas. Benefit to being a part of the collective whole and you're all great. Maybe even the Cylons

 

[Zambrick]

For a bit of simplefied, visual and somewhat intuitive explenation of this phenomenon, let me refer you to Scott Manly:

Spoiler

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyj1ZZiseDE

do you know if the full game was completed yet? I would be interested in seeing how far it goes.

 

[DialBforBiscuit]

I was just thinking outside the box and rather decode the ruins think of how ruins on Earth are decoded etc. Then it hit me Cuneiform is an ancient Sumerian writing method that uses Triangles.

Cuneiform Numbers:
http://images.slideplayer.com/22/6406565/slides/slide_17.jpg

Cuneiform Letter:
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/47/c6/f5/47c6f5e82ce2a7bacbc3cb5f43df38cb.jpg

Also there is this Star Map which may aid us in decoding our site:

http://www.ancient-code.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/chaldea1.gif

Anyone clever enough to see how this might help?

Your last image is of an ancient astrolabe. It describes constellations with angles etched along the rim. If you want to apply this line of thinking to the ruin site, the bigger circle would be main star (the brightest thing), smaller circle would be secondary star. The outside wall's etchings would be angular markings, every one of those lines would be a 'degree'. In meaning not actual measurement of our degree. The lines, like big shelf on the left and the long line going 'down' would represent motion or path, and finally the metal plates around the obelisks would represent major constellations seen from that spot.

 

[Mr.Dee]

I have 20 years of doing the Sumerians.
But I think it ruins built as Stonenenge.
If on earth there is a pyramids, it is necessary to compare the coordinates of the planet earth and 1B

 

[MadDogMurdock]

Blackbodies are not stars and they do not exist. They are theoretical constructs used to define a theory. Nothing more.

I am talking light visible to the human eye. So stars that only burn and contain one type of fuel with little to no contamination will only emit at that particular elements color spectrum/wave length during the fusion process.

Not sure what the OMG is about but unless you can prove otherwise I would suggest keeping quiet.

so a basic binary movement of a quantum particle over an unlimited range could not be transferred into data. Try telling that to everyone else on the planet. They know better. Seeing as how that is the only real practical method that humans can perceive for the use of entangled particles right now. state one and state 0 is binary. However with quantum entanglement you can have all states at one time. Is the basis current quantum computers.
Another popular practice use would be to create quantum encryption for un breakable encryption because it would rely on the entangled particles particular state. Unbreakable encryption.

See this article. Its easy to understand. http://www.livescience.com/52811-spooky-action-is-real.html

Stop digging Z, all you're proving is that a little knowledge is a dangerous thing.

The emission and absorption of specific wavelengths of light has zero to do with the fusion process. It's all about the the transition of electrons between orbital shells.

 

[Zambrick]

Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle strikes again.

But yeah... it's all in good fun but the stress of not being able to figure this out has lots of us on edge so I wanted to say it's great to have everybody here with different ideas. Benefit to being a part of the collective whole and you're all great. Maybe even the Cylons

In the end if they ever do create FTL long distance communication, I dont think it will just be a one to one entangled particle kind of communication. It would be more like long range quantum computing. A series of entangled particles all of which are acting within a designed that range of precision required to be accurate. Then sussing out what the particles are trying to convey will be more believable.

One to one partial entanglement is too unpredictable. You know that their is highly likely that each particle will act in the same manner, but its not guaranteed. So multiple particles would need to used and decrypted to get the information true meaning. Its probably impossible for humans to accomplish this kind of long range communication. Theoretically its possible and nothing more.

 

[ShadowAviator]

FDev better do something quick! We have got people arguing about theories as if they were laws!

Keep in mind we still know very little about light (especially light in space) and very little about quantum things. I am not saying anyone is right or wrong, but remember mankind knows very very very..... very little about our universe.

 

[Jorki Rasalas]

Okay wait, other people are finding bookmarks that they don’t remember placing too????

Over a month ago, after spending a lot of time at the ruins doing research for my map theory, I at one point noticed that I had a bookmark out under the Heart & Soul Nebula on a system which I’d never been too. I was honestly so intrigued that I actually flew out there to investigate, but it was a dud of a system that didn’t even have any landables in it. In the end I figured I’d placed it by accident, a misclick or something, while I was laying out where the R-R line goes through (this was right after I’d realized that a ground line at the old ruins precisely mapped out the R-R line).

How many others are noticing randomly placed bookmarks too? Is this an actual thing related to the ruins?

I haven't been to the ruins & I have no new bookmarks

 

[ShadowAviator]

Stop digging Z, all you're proving is that a little knowledge is a dangerous thing.

The emission and absorption of specific wavelengths of light has zero to do with the fusion process. It's all about the the transition of electrons between orbital shells.

I would agree with that. I don't know if I would say it has ZERO to do with fusion, but as far as we know it does not affect fusion. (You never know what sneaky things might be going on that we don't know about)

 

[Eeeyore1961]

I took this screen shot today from the orion nebula, 2MASS JO5352192-0528273 SYSTEM , looking toward Barnard's Loop.

http://imgur.com/cSGB5XP

after inverting image, and changing hue, I got this.

http://imgur.com/DM2847z

I've seen these symbols before, but I can't place where.

I hope someone here with a better memory than mine, can point me toward any other in game occurrences of these symbols.

Thanks,

CMDR Eeeyore1961

 

[RevLogos]

One of the most important events in the game and it becomes an absolute mess, I wonder if it was tested at all. It saddens me to read so many critics and negativity in the forum, but they are deserved, and the lack of offical responses to bugs and issues or incoming features doesn't help.

FD should remember human patience has it's limits.

Playing in Open or PG at these ruins was great fun, even if we weren’t discovering anything new. It was cooperative and entertaining. We could bump SRVs that got stuck, carry on conversations, bounce around ideas, etc. Some people would play defensive roles and still get scan credits, which I thought was smart design.

But sadly, on average I couldn’t last in open/PG more than 10 minutes before getting kicked to the desktop. So I get a few minutes of the great promise this game has to offer, then crushed to the desktop.

So yes it was very frustrating. I turned in everything, deleted all the emails and right now I am 600 light years away ferrying rich granny around the bubble without a CTD or adjudication error to be seen. My only worries are interdictions and deciding if I should divert to get granny some coffee.

I would not come to these forums and criticize FD if I didn’t believe this was, for the most part, a brilliantly designed game with the potential to blow away any other space sim now or for the next 10 years. I want ED to succeed, I really do.

FD needs to get their quality up in both mission/plot design and networking. Short term, as soon as a new ancient site appears, we’ll jettison the tar and feathers and get in our SRVs and all will be forgotten. Long term though the networking problems are going to be killer if these aren’t resolved.

 

[Zambrick]

Stop digging Z, all you're proving is that a little knowledge is a dangerous thing.

The emission and absorption of specific wavelengths of light has zero to do with the fusion process. It's all about the the transition of electrons between orbital shells.

The fusion process? Do you mean cross contamination between the orbital shells within a star that the human eye perceives as light? Because I did not want to open that can of worms. I dont have time or inclination to teach a class.

Not to mention to the little fact that in order to experience the true light emission of 2 of the same fused atoms is not observable by the naked eye. State change or electron orbits shifts of a single atom are not observable by the human eye. All we can see is the distorted muddied lightwave that passes through other atoms of material that have not been fused as of yet. Also the many 10s of magnitudes of free floating electrons that make up a stars particular radiation signature.

Again people are talking about space as if its this pristine location devoid of all particles, radiations, and atoms. Space is practically full of energy, elements, and light. Its nowhere near being pristine and empty. etry

I didnt want to go into the topic of how a supernova is formed nor will I. But its the easiest way to explain how the emission of light can transmute one element into something completely different.

Can we please drop this. I am tired of the conversation as it has gone full circle. All I wanted to do was try to scientifically come up with a reason why the Guardians are Red.

At this point who cares. Its just believable as magical space puppies descended from puppy heaven and created the Red Guardians on the 34th day because it was groovy. They can make up any reason they want I was just trying to come up with a practical reason.

 

[MadDogMurdock]

The fusion process? Do you mean cross contamination between the orbital shells within a star that the human eye perceives as light? Because I did not want to open that can of worms. I dont have time or inclination to teach a class.

Not to mention to the little fact that in order to experience the true light emission of 2 of the same fused atoms is not observable by the naked eye. State change or electron orbits shifts of a single atom are not observable by the human eye. All we can see is the distorted muddied lightwave that passes through other atoms of material that have not been fused as of yet. Also the many 10s of magnitudes of free floating electrons that make up a stars particular radiation signature.

Again people are talking about space as if its this pristine location devoid of all particles, radiations, and atoms. Space is practically full of energy, elements, and light. Its nowhere near being pristine and empty. etry

I didnt want to go into the topic of how a supernova is formed nor will I. But its the easiest way to explain how the emission of light can transmute one element into something completely different.

Can we please drop this. I am tired of the conversation as it has gone full circle. All I wanted to do was try to scientifically come up with a reason why the Guardians are Red.

At this point who cares. Its just believable as magical space puppies descended from puppy heaven and created the Red Guardians on the 34th day because it was groovy. They can make up any reason they want I was just trying to come up with a practical reason.

Please, please, please do not teach a class. There's enough scientific ignorance in the world already.

 

[walaykin]

FDev better do something quick! We have got people arguing about theories as if they were laws!

Keep in mind we still know very little about light (especially light in space) and very little about quantum things. I am not saying anyone is right or wrong, but remember mankind knows very very very..... very little about our universe.

That's just completely untrue. Physics has an excellent grasp on light, and quantum field theory in general. Quantum Electrodynamics is one of the most well-tested, numerically accurate physical theories ever created. Seriously, it has absurd levels of tested precision and agrees extraordinarily well with observation. Don't take my word for it - go and look it up.

Humankind knows a lot about our universe, and Physics is well aware of the limits of its knowledge (the most obvious one is the lack of a way to unify gravity and the standard model). But our knowledge of the process of energy production in stars and the mechanism by which they radiate - at the very least main-sequence KGBFOAM stars - is excellent.

It's pretty clear there are things we don't know about the universe (the precise nature of dark matter, literally anything about dark energy). But light is not one of those things.

edit: I realise you're trying to be placatory and I appreciate the intent!

 

[FunkBubble]

Please, please, please do not teach a class. There's enough scientific ignorance in the world already.

This guy *thumbs up*

 

[walaykin]

Please, please, please do not teach a class. There's enough scientific ignorance in the world already.

I am sadly unable to +rep you again...

 

[Eqitx]

I think i found a suspect ship crashed on a planet. Going near it i can hear a strange loop sound (similar to the one i heard near the pillars during the last data scan cg) who may require additional analysis

Pencil sector IR-W D1-31 B 2 A

-23.9984
-92.8727

I heard a morse too

 

[BL1P]

All this complex sciency talk and im just sitting in the corner eating the glue.