Alien archeology and other mysteries: Thread 9 - The Canonn

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Thanks, its good to be back! That sounds interesting - same sounds as BL1P's vid? Also, is that what the spectrogram you pointed out comes from, the sounds recorded in BL1P's vid?

No probs! Not sure wrt the sounds & BL1Ps vid. Will need to look. Pretty sure not tho wrt to the spectogram - that's from Nov and was found by cmdr Ericlas.

I can't find a better way to link it, so here's a photo of the start of that section on the FP:

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Anyone checking the spectrogram of sounds from the ruins sound, IIRC the default range doesn't show the blocks and you need to change it to a wider range.
 
Holy god people. You are trying to tell me how light works. I am telling you how visible light is seen by a human.

Get over yourselves read a book and go away. Disputing a claim and actually proving its wrong are 2 different things. One relies on providing proof or knowing what ones talking about and the other requires the ability to think beyond your own ego. Both of which seem impossible by the 2 of you.

Neither of you have presented one piece of evidence to dispute my claim. Neither MadDog nor you can prove anything to me. You are just afraid to admit you are wrong and or not able to grasp the concept itself. You 2 are trying to win a forum dispute and cannot provide one single shred of evidence to the contrary. I am sorry if I hurt your egos but I am talking science and you are making up nonsense.

Light theory is a huge subject that is barely understood. I explained the simple concept of how the human eye sees in just the Human visible spectrum.

You two are diving into theory and just plain fiction. Again you are not able to prove me wrong. Until you do then you can shut it.

Better yet here is a primary school course for you to take. (http://www.pa.uky.edu/sciworks/lights.htm

http://www.qrg.northwestern.edu/projects/vss/docs/space-environment/3-why-dont-we-receive-light-from-all.html

https://starchild.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/StarChild/questions/question13.html

Those 3 links shall do. 2 of them are designed for children and the other one has 2 big pictures. I hope you can finally get it and move on.

I often feel like this when people take my words out of context and turn facts on their head :D
 
Strictly speaking, the Guardians could avoid UV damage without changing their color. Things can be colorless to us but absorb UV light. Many proteins and nucleic acids have this property. We happen to produce colored melanin for this purpose, but the color isn't necessary.

Not to mention Human eyes are tuned to red to look for facial changes such as reddening of the lips and blushing for visual communication purposes. We instinctively know that the body is in some sort of stress because we can see the red hemoglobin raising to the surface of the skin. Its a good way to non verbally communicate. My idea was just based of the reflection and absorption of the most abundant light source. So a lack of melanin type construct in the skin could also account for their red color.

Hence the blue white star idea for the plants. Their output is of the blue and white range and would not need the red light as much, so it could reflect it. I could have it backwards though I dont think that I do.
 
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Hence the blue white star idea for the plants. Their output is of the blue and white range and would not need the red light as much, so it could reflect it. I could have it backwards though I dont think that I do.

Your conclusion is good but the science not perfect, I get the impression now you guys have been thinking along closer lines than you think.

Like I said above, a lighter star would make sense, with more energy at higher wavelengths, there would be very little use for red chlorophyl to absorb red light. But, on thinking about it a little more, I've realised that's not quite the end of the story either.

What we can guess is that a red plant is absorbing more green and blue light than red, but the star itself could very well be producing very different ranges of light to that. Because of Raleigh scattering and particulate matter in the atmosphere all we can really determine from finding red plants is that once the parent stars light has passed through the atmosphere, it demonstrates a significant green/blue bias. The star itself could be any colour, and not something you could really determine till the composition of the atmosphere was known..
 
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Your conclusion is good but the science not perfect, I get the impression now you guys have been thinking along closer lines than you think.

Like I said above, a lighter star would make sense, with more energy at higher wavelengths, there would be very little use for red chlorophyl to absorb red light. But, on thinking about it a little more, I've realised that's not quite the end of the story either.

What we can guess is that a red plant is absorbing more green and blue light than red, but the star itself could very well be producing very different ranges of light to that. Because of Raleigh scattering and particulate matter in the atmosphere all we can really determine from finding red plants is that once the parent stars light has passed through the atmosphere, it demonstrates a significant green/blue bias. The star itself could be any colour, and not something you could really determine till the composition of the atmosphere was known..

I thought that way too. That the atmosphere would change the light reaching the surface. So far all the only gasses that I think of that would cause a red atmosphere would be extreemly caustic or damaging to anything with carbon in it. With the exception of Methane that is. It might make a nice reddish color when a specific wavelength shone through it.
 
I thought that way too. That the atmosphere would change the light reaching the surface. So far all the only gasses that I think of that would cause a red atmosphere would be extreemly caustic or damaging to anything with carbon in it. With the exception of Methane that is. It might make a nice reddish color when a specific wavelength shone through it.

You'd want an atmosphere with more green and blue light than red, essentially, the more of a colour there is in the atmosphere, the less likely plants are to look for other colours for energy.
If you think of it like people - if you live in an area with very little to eat but fish, you're unlikely to survive long enough to have kids if all you can eat is pickled gherkins. Because you're eating all the fish, its much easier to see the things you aren't eating.

Not sure what you'd need to have a blue/green sky.... Oxygen/ozone and sulphur dioxide at a guess but I'd leave that to a chemist tbh.
 
Biochemist to the rescue!

I'm not sure exactly what you'd need either. Methane can absorb reddish light, but typically outside of the visible spectrum, or not enough to have a noticeable effect. Gas giants are typically colored by compounds like this, such as Neptune and its methane. I'm not sure if a rocky planet could have enough methane in its atmosphere to create a blue effect without it being a hydrocarbon/ammonia planet. So, I'm guessing the red color is an evolutionary quirk that has no single cause.

This is my last post about skin color/light. Let's get back to the archaeology!
 
Hi, everyone! I've been creeping ever since the Thargoids or Notthargoids began hyperdicting commanders. I love the passion for the scientific method amongst this player base and I want to equip myself to aid in the quest for knowledge. I will begin by asking what tools are being used for these spectrograms. I have tried searching for almost a half hour to no avail and the google results don't present anything like what is in your post. Thanks in advance. O7.
 
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All Monoliths have the same markings.
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Ah, that's unfortunate - was hoping they might outright tell us what they need to unlock; Went all pointless-puzzle-for-puzzle's-own-sake, and inspected the cross sections of the various artefacts, to check the shapes the prisms that make them up form, and how many went into each. :p
(just for the record: Totem: 8 in a diamond layout, Urn: 13, as a rounded off triangle, Orb: an icosahedron, so 20, Casket: 22, another rounded triangle, Tablet: 56, in the shape of a rectangle with jagged edges.)
 
Biochemist to the rescue!

I'm not sure exactly what you'd need either. Methane can absorb reddish light, but typically outside of the visible spectrum, or not enough to have a noticeable effect. Gas giants are typically colored by compounds like this, such as Neptune and its methane. I'm not sure if a rocky planet could have enough methane in its atmosphere to create a blue effect without it being a hydrocarbon/ammonia planet. So, I'm guessing the red color is an evolutionary quirk that has no single cause.

This is my last post about skin color/light. Let's get back to the archaeology!

well poo. I had a questions.
 
Holy god people. You are trying to tell me how light works. I am telling you how visible light is seen by a human.

Get over yourselves read a book and go away. Disputing a claim and actually proving its wrong are 2 different things. One relies on providing proof or knowing what ones talking about and the other requires the ability to think beyond your own ego. Both of which seem impossible by the 2 of you.

Neither of you have presented one piece of evidence to dispute my claim. Neither MadDog nor you can prove anything to me. You are just afraid to admit you are wrong and or not able to grasp the concept itself. You 2 are trying to win a forum dispute and cannot provide one single shred of evidence to the contrary. I am sorry if I hurt your egos but I am talking science and you are making up nonsense.

Light theory is a huge subject that is barely understood. I explained the simple concept of how the human eye sees in just the Human visible spectrum.

You two are diving into theory and just plain fiction. Again you are not able to prove me wrong. Until you do then you can shut it.

Better yet here is a primary school course for you to take. (http://www.pa.uky.edu/sciworks/lights.htm

http://www.qrg.northwestern.edu/projects/vss/docs/space-environment/3-why-dont-we-receive-light-from-all.html

https://starchild.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/StarChild/questions/question13.html

Those 3 links shall do. 2 of them are designed for children and the other one has 2 big pictures. I hope you can finally get it and move on.

Give it a rest Z, you're the one making outrageous claims. We're simply saying that generally accepted physics disagrees with you. I hate to have to roll this tired old chestnut out but... the onus is on the one making the claim to prove their claim, it is not on the others to disprove it.

By the way, I'm loving you telling us to go read a book! Brings back fond memories of what my old physics teacher said when he told the class something wrong and had it pointed out to him!

Also highly amused by you sending links over to primary school level stuff to try and educate us. I am literally laughing out loud! - you pitching it at the level is probably quite indicative of what the actual problem is!

And it's also great to see you once again claim to know the minds of others. Must be very comforting to be able to explain things away to yourself as being a fault in other people! :)

And just to say it again, I'm not arguing against stuff about eyes. What I am disputing is things you said about the speed of light. These things:

"Red light moves slower after it has been reflected or refracted."
"The only true source of red light traveling at the speed of light has to be emitted from its source as red light. Otherwise it is slower moving."

I simply pointed out that these statements aren’t correct. And they aren’t correct, because what you said is at odds with accepted Physics. You yourself posted something recently about how people making claims need to back them up. If you can prove what you’re saying then please do because it will revolutionise physics.
 
Give it a rest Z, you're the one making outrageous claims. We're simply saying that generally accepted physics disagrees with you. I hate to have to roll this tired old chestnut out but... the onus is on the one making the claim to prove their claim, it is not on the others to disprove it.

By the way, I'm loving you telling us to go read a book! Brings back fond memories of what my old physics teacher said when he told the class something wrong and had it pointed out to him!

Also highly amused by you sending links over to primary school level stuff to try and educate us. I am literally laughing out loud! - you pitching it at the level is probably quite indicative of what the actual problem is!

And it's also great to see you once again claim to know the minds of others. Must be very comforting to be able to explain things away to yourself as being a fault in other people! :)

And just to say it again, I'm not arguing against stuff about eyes. What I am disputing is things you said about the speed of light. These things:

"Red light moves slower after it has been reflected or refracted."
"The only true source of red light traveling at the speed of light has to be emitted from its source as red light. Otherwise it is slower moving."

I simply pointed out that these statements aren’t correct. And they aren’t correct, because what you said is at odds with accepted Physics. You yourself posted something recently about how people making claims need to back them up. If you can prove what you’re saying then please do because it will revolutionise physics.

I gave you the courses to follow. Please do so and then reply. I provided proof provided by 2 different well know educational institutions and NASA.
Show me where I am wrong. I provided proof for. You provide proof against.

I will go so far as to say that any light that is reflected or refracted off of or through any material/atom/particle/space or otherwise is indeed moving slower than 299792458 metres per second.
 
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Was reading the technology downloads and saw this:

"The monolith network was augmented by vehicle-based communication systems, personal devices and even implants. These were designed to operate seamlessly with the network to provide ad-hoc coverage."

Made me wonder whether the puzzle involved us using vehicles. Perhaps the site is a "machine" and if we complete the circuit by positioning vehicles in certain locations - it would work properly.... Just thoughts.
 
Was reading the technology downloads and saw this:

"The monolith network was augmented by vehicle-based communication systems, personal devices and even implants. These were designed to operate seamlessly with the network to provide ad-hoc coverage."

Made me wonder whether the puzzle involved us using vehicles. Perhaps the site is a "machine" and if we complete the circuit by positioning vehicles in certain locations - it would work properly.... Just thoughts.


Ssshhhh dont give away secwets. need them to stew longer so frontier release more content!!
 
You do realize what we call white light is the combination of all colors and wave lengths of light visible to humans. Hey it may even contain light we cannot see. It doesnt matter. I also provided you course on color theory enforcing that. . It has to have a higher wave length than just red light because white light also contains the rest of the color spectrum 400-700nm. Again you have failed at your attempt any other brain busters?
 
Was impressed with the 3d map on the first page.

The spines on the inside of the wall are interesting. Its clear there are some missing/broken. I wonder if we used vehicles in the spots where the spines are missing whether something might happen...
 
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