Alien archeology and other mysteries: Thread 9 - The Canonn

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CMDR Cylixx

CMDR Cylixx
Scaarab said:
There are no bad tidings anywhere. The new site just enboldens the idea that we did not get all the data from the original site. It also means that there is some sequence in which obelisks have to be opened to get everything. There is absolutely no point in trying to figure out why this planet why these coordinates until we find out the squence to get everything.
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Sorry to disprove you so bluntly but check page one for confirmation that only 13 pieces are available at the site and that all obelisks were working as intended in solo, if you really think more obelisks can be activated by player action, hop in solo and add a few more hours to the thousands people have already contributed to that idea.
If you think we just haven't tried every combination in open have these
B1
orb+tot X
orb+cask X
orb+tab X
orb+relic X
orb+urn X
orb+orb X
orb X
tab X fail message
Perhaps we havent activated something but I think it's much safer to assume we are experiencing a bug.
 
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Tony H.

Tony H.
zorbaq said:
Commanders, kindly direct your attention over here...

http://i.imgur.com/LhAYBXl.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/8bLbPy6.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/YSrX6IT.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/laPl9KJ.jpg

IC 2391 SECTOR GW-V B2-4 B 1

LAT -29.10
LONG -30.51

Right, me job's done :) I'm having a pesky migraine, so excuse me if I'm not available for questioning. Also it's my birthday today, so kind of a neat present for me, no?

Have fun!
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Happy birthday ! Congratulations [up] Nice, chance, or strategy? Heading that way to get further info
 

SpaceGoblin

SpaceGoblin
Ok, here's a little moon montage to show the oberved moon rise and setting (projected in the 2nd case):

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Rising over the small circle feature (1st moon picture taken 5mins or so AFTER moon rise), setting over the large circle feature.

Credit to cmdr edard for talking about moon alignments in the first place, and iamgingerbear for flying the orbital track of the 2nd ruins moon whilst I locked onto his Wing ID on my HUD (his idea).
 
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AdmlAdama

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Ronineter said:
also i noticed that the longtitude is exactly under the axis of the moon of the new site. if you calcuate that, maybe that can be used to find the right planet.
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Exactly. We need to get the ground track of the moon. And then calculate a parallel ground track that's offset such that the moon would "rise" and "set" at a certain height in the sky. Follow that track and we should hit a ruin site.

I've spent the last 2 days trying to find a consistent way to get the greater circle path based on 2 sets of coordinates. So far I've been able to get one but it is widely off so my math has to be way off.
 
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excaliburhc

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does anyone have the pillar counts from the site ruins ? wondering now if the obelisk groupings point to systems with sites. done a quick count of the sites on page 1 (the3 showing properly anyway) and they match up body wise to indiviudal groupings. maybe if correct a triangulation point ?
 

Mengy

Mengy
WELP, since we now have two ruins and they both are identical, I can now safely put away my stellar map theory as being pure cow manure! At least now I have closure!!!

However, THIS theory right here:

SpaceGoblin said:
Leaving this here, on my way to bed:

http://i.imgur.com/uHmKUGu.jpg

Compass oriented as in game, 69 degrees towards top middle of image.

Green lines show sight lines to moon rising over small circle, setting over large circle, as shown in quotes below.


The green dot is the observers location, the cyan spots are the approximate beacon locations (I'll try to get a base image with them 'deployed' tomorrow).

cmdr edard sparked a line of thought that shows where the moon rises and falls, leading to the possibility that the two circles represent those events (as called out by Ram Tah describing the moon glyphs, and that glyphs can relate the Guardians relationship to the world around them). This led to further thinking that the hexagonal wall with its regular markings could be a sky compass after all. It may not be marked in degrees, but a point on a circle as viewed from the centre is still a point on a circle, even if you use very different ways to denote it.

This might mean we can use patterns of obelisks and beacons, and the known revealed systems to calculate *something*.
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Okay, this is the best theory I've yet seen on the ruins layout. It's not a stellar map, it's a moondial of sorts, with the center point being the intersection of the perpendicular cross feature under LPA. Good work Spacegoblin, well done, I think you are on to something here.

I've noticed at the old ruins that Barnard's Loop seems out over the large arrow feature off of LPA, I wonder if it is the same at the new ruins, and if the moon rises and sets in a similar fashion to your theory? If both ruins match like this then it would be a breakthrough IMHO and very useful for finding other ruins, since they all appear to be completely identical.

I also have to wonder, if the arrow feature that the G obelisks sit on is a pointer to Bernard's Loop, then the other features might be pointing to stellar objects of importance too, like the pyramids.
 

BL1P

BL1P
Scaarab said:
There are no bad tidings anywhere. The new site just enboldens the idea that we did not get all the data from the original site. It also means that there is some sequence in which obelisks have to be opened to get everything. There is absolutely no point in trying to figure out why this planet why these coordinates until we find out the squence to get everything. What the commander found is another shiny box with a big rusty old lock on it. All kudos to him and reps as this was most likely a painstaking and irritating experience for him. And for everyone still trying to eyeball the rest of the ruins. But until we can open said ruins they are nothing more than balls of frustration. Consider this a definitive clue. There is more on the first site. The multiplayer data bleed is a clue to this as well. Now to find out whats what we have to analyse the texts ram tah gave us(only the original 13), look for clues that look like puzzle clues and revisit old theories on how to get more data. I personally consider the original combinations we have a clue, the fact that both sites provide from the get go the exact same 13 data chunks on the exact same obelisks indicate that the clue is in there somewhere, and each location was meant to teach the basic opening process for said ruins.

I for one believe the data patterns matter. Multiple texts define specific types of data chunks as specific patterns I will go back to that. Whining, sadly will not get me 100 million and I want that for my conda. And I want to get it the legit way. I got my first conda the legit way as well trough mining. Good luck and still, stay away from the brain fungus things the emperor in this game has no psy powers kilometer long battleships or trillions of genetically engineered space marines we dont need people becoming ORKS.

So a question: If I delete the data ram tah sent me and open obelisks will I get them back if I do s succesfull scan or I have to retake the mission completely? Want to clarify some of those x+relic things to see if they are not lone unlocks and make a new private list of the unlocks. Originally I did not record which obelisks gave me what when I bruteforced them myself.
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from my notes its :-
A3 = cas-rel
C36 = tab-rel
H34 =urn-rel

Just did all 13 at site 2.
now going to try handing in mission and then recollecting mission and doing site 2 again.
O yer I also activated all towers before all 13
 
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AdmlAdama

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Mengy said:
WELP, since we now have two ruins and they both are identical, I can now safely put away my stellar map theory as being pure cow manure! At least now I have closure!!!

However, THIS theory right here:



Okay, this is the best theory I've yet seen on the ruins layout. It's not a stellar map, it's a moondial of sorts, with the center point being the intersection of the perpendicular cross feature under LPA. Good work Spacegoblin, well done, I think you are on to something here.

I've noticed at the old ruins that Barnard's Loop seems out over the large arrow feature off of LPA, I wonder if it is the same at the new ruins, and if the moon rises and sets in a similar fashion to your theory? If both ruins match like this then it would be a breakthrough IMHO and very useful for finding other ruins, since they all appear to be completely identical.

I also have to wonder, if the arrow feature that the G obelisks sit on is a pointer to Bernard's Loop, then the other features might be pointing to stellar objects of importance too, like the pyramids.
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If that does point to barnards loop then take what I proposed with the offset path and find the areas that intersect that. Makes for a much smaller search area.
 

iamgingerbear

iamgingerbear
Ronineter said:
also i noticed that the longtitude is exactly under the axis of the moon of the new site. if you calcuate that, maybe that can be used to find the right planet.
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I'm currently testing that out right now, i reckon that it does have something to do with it, the site also seems to be facing the setting of the moon.
the moon on the new site should set some time tomorrow morning so we'll get a better idea then. Till that time i'll run around like a headless chicken taking readings at different co-ords trying to track a line around a planet...
 

Zenith

Zenith
Iori said:
So for clarity:

View attachment 113767

This correct?

Any mathemagicians that can extrapolate this to other planets and pinpoint an exact location?
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Spin all three pointer lines about 5 deg clockwise, and you're pretty much on the button for what some of us are expecting.
I also take my origin as the tip of the "key" as it's the geometric centre of the hexagon walls. You're using where the "bit" meets the "shaft" of the key.
 

Mengy

Mengy
AdmlAdama said:
If that does point to barnards loop then take what I proposed with the offset path and find the areas that intersect that. Makes for a much smaller search area.
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True, also if all of the ruins point to Barnard's Loop then that might signify something important to be found out in Barnard's Loop too. I think we should watch for stellar alignments during both moonrise and moonsets at both ruins and look for anything else lining up along features similarly. If we can find commonality's then that would be very interesting indeed.

At this point I'm less interested in Ram Tah's mission or data and more interested in stellar alignments with features based on Spacegoblin's work. Could be a wild goose chase again with nothing to find, or it might actually be what we've been looking for....
 
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Justicar_Thorn

J
Based_Belial said:
Jeez. This foot tastes great. On my way...
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So I'm alone out here in open on Xbox, what's the word on scan data for Beta site? Looks like the same obelisks are lit to me.same.... everything actually. Looks so far like the item to area configuration is same as well so far

Edit: actually pulled some data that had already been recorded from alpha site.

This is pretty disappointing.
 
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SpaceGoblin

SpaceGoblin
Mengy said:
However, THIS theory right here:



Okay, this is the best theory I've yet seen on the ruins layout. It's not a stellar map, it's a moondial of sorts, with the center point being the intersection of the perpendicular cross feature under LPA. Good work Spacegoblin, well done, I think you are on to something here.

I've noticed at the old ruins that Barnard's Loop seems out over the large arrow feature off of LPA, I wonder if it is the same at the new ruins, and if the moon rises and sets in a similar fashion to your theory? If both ruins match like this then it would be a breakthrough IMHO and very useful for finding other ruins, since they all appear to be completely identical.

I also have to wonder, if the arrow feature that the G obelisks sit on is a pointer to Bernard's Loop, then the other features might be pointing to stellar objects of importance too, like the pyramids.
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ATM Barnards Loop is more ort less directly overhead at the new site.

JAjzBTK.jpg


The yellow line is a projection of the moons orbital track (from bottom R to top L), based on iamgingerbear following the moons orbital line earlier.
 
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