Alien archeology and other mysteries: Thread 9 - The Canonn

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AdmlAdama

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AdmlAdama said:
Since it's been shown that moons rise and set relative to the circles on the ruins site getting the relationship between the moons ground track and the ruins on the existing sites will help us identify the particular relationship.

We can then use this offset on other systems with moons to identify a search path.

Basically we can get the great circle path of the moon
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_circle

Then offset it relative to the orbital direction and identify the small circle that runs parallel to it on the side that would result in it rising at the correct circle and setting at the other circle.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circle_of_a_sphere#/search

To facilitate that I've taken the liberty to create the following google sheet to gather the necessary latitude and longitude points in a given time. Using these I can identify the great circle paths between them and their points. And then offset those to get the parallel track for the ruins.

Once we gather this data for the existing sites we can better correlate the angle of the ruins to the moons so we can derive the proper angle and track on the other landable bodies with moons for a search for new sites.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-fqcT1t1QylyadOa23_fgFIlbRy7QBr2G2M4gjxOKsA
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For anybody who wanted to contribute I've fixed the perms.. sorry about that
 

Hellakitty

Hellakitty
Cmdr Edard said:
I've solved it!

http://i.imgur.com/ou6Dywx.png
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Mokonzi

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Cmdr Edard said:
Now, you all should feel free to shoot me down. Here is my theory and the potential use of my theory.

On Ruin Site 1 We know the moon rises and sets from within the ruins. Now if one were to measure the angle between the moon orbit path to the yellow orbit 'do-dah' that encompasses a planet, one ends up with 45 degrees. Ahem, see image below.

https://i.imgur.com/XHfDzDs.jpg

I would gamble that this is the same on Ruin Site 2 - i need a time lapse video to do this.

If we are able to keep this 45 degree angle in orbital cruise we then have a path that the ruins can be on an only be on according to this theory.

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I'm inclined to agree. We know there's a correlation between the moon rise and set on each site. If that's the case, we have some candidates in two of the other systems.

Some have commented on one of the systems having a binary and not a moon. If the binary planet is small enough, it would almost behave like a moon in it's orbit? Maybe the orientation will fit on that one?
 

Mengy

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frostypaw said:
This is a headline feature. Launched with this image which in itself gives away a vast number of surprises and interest.

https://forums-cdn.frontier.co.uk/images/misc/The_Guardians_Final_1920x1080-1.jpg

It's not the junior devs that need questioning. The person in charge of this entire line of project should be at Braben's place right now explaining what has gone on to avoid losing their post. I would be spitting blood and fire if this was my game and it had gone out live like this - all that was needed was for the responsible senior dev in charge to go into Open post launch and fly to each site to check each one was there, working and different.

Nobody did it. At all. That's pretty obvious - every cmdr has seen the same thing and gotten the same result so anyone going to check this stuff would have found the same.
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Yeah, this what has me very sad really. The level of quality control, or rather the lack of QC, is truly disheartening. And if it's intended for both sites to be identical like they are then that's just unimaginative and also disheartening.

There's no silver lining here, no way to look at this in a positive light, none at all. I'm not even sure I care whether or not anyone finds any more ruin sites, would it even matter?
 

yowl

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The maths is hard for me. In SC you can see the orbit lines for the moon, but we need an angle of 72 degrees between rise and set. How do you calculate which latitude that is, ignoring tilt for the moment? Also how can you tell, without waiting for hours, which direction the moon is going in so you know how to exclude one option?
 

Muetdhiver

Muetdhiver
Dumb questions maybe, but might be important :

Is the triangle pattern on the relic of the "new" site identical to the "old" one.

I know that the obelisks pattern sequence is identical, but did not check the relic :/
 
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