Alien archeology and other mysteries: Thread 9 - The Canonn

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In order for the moon to rise and set at the circles the ruins have to be offset from the orbit but located at a point that's along a parallel path.

I'm trying to figure out the ideal distance using existing sites. Unless all the bodies have the same radius I suspect it will be an angle from the center rather than kilometers.

I suppose in your sheet you are recording the location directly under the moon?
 
Alright, so my last post claimed that the sound strings that the obelisks emit are time-aligned. It since then has turned out that while yes they mostly are time-aligned, it seems to have no importance. After even more inspection, I *finally* noticed that there are only 7 different tokens, which are demonstrated below.

http://i.imgur.com/5W0lXC7.png
At first I thought that L3 also had a variant, which I named L4 and I was already jumping with joy, because base8 numbers fit exactly into 3 binary bits (note the number 3), which would have made a huge amount of sense... alas, it was not to be and I can confirm that indeed there are only the 7 tokens + the [END] block which always stays the same.

So with those tokens we can divide the messages like shown below:
http://i.imgur.com/mDicxMl.png
The above string would be: SL1VL2L1SBSBL3L2VL1L2BL3VBHL2L3HL1VHBL1L2L3S[END]

It is interesting to note that my rule about there never being 2 tokens of the same type in a row still holds true! So, CMDR Farran speculated that perhaps it is indeed a language. We know that the Guardians used sign language to communicate, making two of the same sign in a row makes no sense, right? so naturally you can't have 2 tokens in a row... in addition, 7 gestures of some sort can be arranged into strings of gestures/tokens - aka. words! So we think that the strings transmitted by the obelisks are indeed words (or even sentences). So, now we definitely need some linguistics people working on this!

EDIT: I will post the strings I have tokenized -
VBL1HVBL1SHL2BL2VL2HBL1VL1BL1BHBHVL3SVSHSHBVL2L3L2VL2VL1[END]
SL1VL2L1SBSBL3L2VL1L2BL3VBHL2L3HL1VHBL1L2L3S[END]
SVSL3HVBSL3BL1BSL1L2BL2HBL3L1L3SHL2L3HL1HL3BL1L2L3SL1V[END]
VBL3BHVL2SBVBL1[END]
HL3HL3HVL1L3HBHL2LBL1HVBHBL1VHL2SLL2HVL1SHL2L1SL3VL3HVL2L1HLHSL1B[END]
VBVL2SHVSL3VHL1L2LL1L2BL3SHSL3HBHSV[END]
SVHL3L1L2L3B[END]
HSL2L1L3SL2SVHL2HL2L3VSHSL1L3L1VSVL1VL1VBVL1L3BL2HS[END]
L2L1BL2SL2VL3BVBSL3SL3L1L3L1VHVL3L2BSL3L1L2L3SL2VL2VBL3L1VL1H[END]
L1VL3BL2L3BSBVH[END]
L2L3L1VHL1HL2VBL3SVL3VSVL1L3SL2L3VHB[END]
L1SBL1L3SBL2BVL3H[END]
L1HVHBL3L1BL3SVL3VHSL3VL3VL3HL2HL2BL2L1[END]
VHL1L3L1BSVSL3VL2[END]
L2HL1L3VL3L2SL1L3L1B[END]
BHL3L1SVL1HL3HL2[END]
L1L2HBSVL3L1VSL3L2VHB[END]
VL3HL3BSBL3BL1SL3HL2[END]
HVHBL2SL2L3SHVHSHSL1BL1BL1L3L1HBVHL1HL3BSBSL1VHBL2[END]
VL3L2HL2HL3L1VSL3VHVB[END]
VL3BL2HSVL1[END]
L3L1SVBHL3SL1BL1HL1SVL1BL3BL2VSVL3VL2BSBH[END]


~CMDR Clanga

That's awesome. You know i was listening long and hard to it today. And I said to myself. That sounds like a voice. Like words

I'll have to pay closer attention to it later.


Ever try playing it backwards?
 
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I suppose in your sheet you are recording the location directly under the moon?

Yes. Directly beneath. But if ADs method of triangulation works we can do this in wings with one following the moon and the other keeping a consistent distance from their wingmafe
 
Alright, so my last post claimed that the sound strings that the obelisks emit are time-aligned. It since then has turned out that while yes they mostly are time-aligned, it seems to have no importance. After even more inspection, I *finally* noticed that there are only 7 different tokens, which are demonstrated below.

http://i.imgur.com/5W0lXC7.png
At first I thought that L3 also had a variant, which I named L4 and I was already jumping with joy, because base8 numbers fit exactly into 3 binary bits (note the number 3), which would have made a huge amount of sense... alas, it was not to be and I can confirm that indeed there are only the 7 tokens + the [END] block which always stays the same.

So with those tokens we can divide the messages like shown below:
http://i.imgur.com/mDicxMl.png
The above string would be: SL1VL2L1SBSBL3L2VL1L2BL3VBHL2L3HL1VHBL1L2L3S[END]

It is interesting to note that my rule about there never being 2 tokens of the same type in a row still holds true! So, CMDR Farran speculated that perhaps it is indeed a language. We know that the Guardians used sign language to communicate, making two of the same sign in a row makes no sense, right? so naturally you can't have 2 tokens in a row... in addition, 7 gestures of some sort can be arranged into strings of gestures/tokens - aka. words! So we think that the strings transmitted by the obelisks are indeed words (or even sentences). So, now we definitely need some linguistics people working on this!

EDIT: I will post the strings I have tokenized -
VBL1HVBL1SHL2BL2VL2HBL1VL1BL1BHBHVL3SVSHSHBVL2L3L2VL2VL1[END]
SL1VL2L1SBSBL3L2VL1L2BL3VBHL2L3HL1VHBL1L2L3S[END]
SVSL3HVBSL3BL1BSL1L2BL2HBL3L1L3SHL2L3HL1HL3BL1L2L3SL1V[END]
VBL3BHVL2SBVBL1[END]
HL3HL3HVL1L3HBHL2LBL1HVBHBL1VHL2SLL2HVL1SHL2L1SL3VL3HVL2L1HLHSL1B[END]
VBVL2SHVSL3VHL1L2LL1L2BL3SHSL3HBHSV[END]
SVHL3L1L2L3B[END]
HSL2L1L3SL2SVHL2HL2L3VSHSL1L3L1VSVL1VL1VBVL1L3BL2HS[END]
L2L1BL2SL2VL3BVBSL3SL3L1L3L1VHVL3L2BSL3L1L2L3SL2VL2VBL3L1VL1H[END]
L1VL3BL2L3BSBVH[END]
L2L3L1VHL1HL2VBL3SVL3VSVL1L3SL2L3VHB[END]
L1SBL1L3SBL2BVL3H[END]
L1HVHBL3L1BL3SVL3VHSL3VL3VL3HL2HL2BL2L1[END]
VHL1L3L1BSVSL3VL2[END]
L2HL1L3VL3L2SL1L3L1B[END]
BHL3L1SVL1HL3HL2[END]
L1L2HBSVL3L1VSL3L2VHB[END]
VL3HL3BSBL3BL1SL3HL2[END]
HVHBL2SL2L3SHVHSHSL1BL1BL1L3L1HBVHL1HL3BSBSL1VHBL2[END]
VL3L2HL2HL3L1VSL3VHVB[END]
VL3BL2HSVL1[END]
L3L1SVBHL3SL1BL1HL1SVL1BL3BL2VSVL3VL2BSBH[END]


~CMDR Clanga

This all sounds great - I just don't have the capacity to follow it - I'm very tired and more visually oriented.

Keep at it though, it feels like you may be getting somewhere!
 
That's awesome. You know i was listening long and hard to it today. And I said to myself. That sounds like a voice. Like words

I'll have to pay closer attention to it later.


Ever try playing it backwards?

The problem with that is, that this language happens in the 9KHz to 16KHz range. I can hear the block sounds personally but not the line sounds, not to mention the human ear is not really that great at listening to such high pitched sounds. I did lower the pitch on it once and listened to it... but it didn't sound like anything interesting, really. So I don't think the sounds coming from there are actually the sound that the Guardians make, however... who knows...

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This all sounds great - I just don't have the capacity to follow it - I'm very tired and more visually oriented.

Keep at it though, it feels like you may be getting somewhere!

This is INCREDIBLY visually oriented. The sound is converted into a spectrogram which helps us humans VISUALIZE sound!
 
The problem with that is, that this language happens in the 9KHz to 16KHz range. I can hear the block sounds personally but not the line sounds, not to mention the human ear is not really that great at listening to such high pitched sounds. I did lower the pitch on it once and listened to it... but it didn't sound like anything interesting, really. So I don't think the sounds coming from there are actually the sound that the Guardians make, however... who knows...

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This is INCREDIBLY visually oriented. The sound is converted into a spectrogram which helps us humans VISUALIZE sound!

they breathed helium (Ram Tah)
we humans breathe air. When we breathe helium and have high voices.
The vocal cords, the weight of helium is less oxygen supply (biology is not important)
I think you can omit the sound, and then our ear can hear.
 
they breathed helium (Ram Tah)
we humans breathe air. When we breathe helium and have high voices.
The vocal cords, the weight of helium is less oxygen supply (biology is not important)
I think you can omit the sound, and then our ear can hear.

what really? Which data talks about them breathing helium? Also that seems... rather odd, as helium is a noble gas. Was it in relatively moderate consentrations in their homeworld atmosphere? I mean like 10 to 20% max? And then like 30-40% oxygen and rest some other gases? If so, then I could imagine their voice actually being somewhat higher than in what would be similar to Earth-air...
 
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The problem with that is, that this language happens in the 9KHz to 16KHz range. I can hear the block sounds personally but not the line sounds, not to mention the human ear is not really that great at listening to such high pitched sounds. I did lower the pitch on it once and listened to it... but it didn't sound like anything interesting, really. So I don't think the sounds coming from there are actually the sound that the Guardians make, however... who knows...

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This is INCREDIBLY visually oriented. The sound is converted into a spectrogram which helps us humans VISUALIZE sound!

I know what you are saying, but I can't correlate those blocks to sound. I can sense there is *something* there, but I cant *see* it clearly. This is why I've kept out of this part of things, except to offer encouragement.

Moons and other bodies zipping around in 3d space, sure. Equating the seemingly abstract series of visual 'blocks' from sound to something else - not so much. My limitation, no disparagement intended.
 
For everyone say its a ctrl+v or a bug for the new one at IC 2391 SECTOR GW-V B2-4 B 1, i think its just the original one and FDev just change Appearance of the first site canonn discovers.

Its just an hypothesis. ^^

We will know when the other sites will finds or fdev confirms, Anyways


here the original site canonn discovers SYNUEFE XR-H D11-102 1B
View attachment 113803
 
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Ok, so I did some back-of-the-napkin calculations based on the idea that the sites share moon rise/set angles.

First overlay a protractor on the site center, read about 150 degrees between the rise and set points.

This creates an isosceles triangle with 15 degrees at each other point, and the base (long side) running along the moon's orbital path.

Now I try to measure the triangle's sides:

Starting with the radius of the planet for the first site (1,122km) I determine a planetary circumference of 7,049km. Divided by 360 degrees, I get 19.5km per degree. Since the site is -31 degrees off the equator, I multiply 19.5 by 31 and get 606km.

So now to verify this, I would expect to locate the first ruins site at around 606km off the 0 degree mark. In-game, I am not sure how to measure this (see "Remaining Problems 2" below).

Completing the triangle, solving for the base: Approximately 4,523km.

So how to advance with proving this is a valid analysis corresponds with the 2nd ruins site:

Find the circumference of the 2nd known ruins site (presently I do not know it's radius). Create a proportion vs. the base of the 1st ruins site triangle, to find the base of the 2nd ruins site triangle:

7,049km (1st ruins site planet circumference) / 4,523km (1st ruins triangle base) : 2nd ruins site circumference / 2nd ruins site triangle base

Then calculate the height of the 2nd triangle, as with the first.

If the calculated 2nd site triangle height is near the second ruins site distance from the moon's orbital path, it's looking good. The concept is holding true. Now take it to other candidate planets.

Remaining problems:
1. Measuring a reliable distance offset from the moon's orbit in-ship/in-game. Maybe a wing of two players do this. Have one wing member land at the moon's orbit path, then a 2nd CMDR heads out, reading the distance to the other CMDR to know his range?

2. Flying a steady "small circle" based on an inclined moon orbit, which is not as easy as flying the equator. The heading would need to change steadily as the route circles the planet.

3. Perhaps most importantly... All my calculations above are based off the equator. Well, at the 1st ruins planet, the moon has a -6.8 degree inclination. So how many km above/below the equator is this at the ruin's -128.97 longitude? This variance will likely impact the triangle height calculation a bit, and from that, everything after. Solving this will take a good deal of legwork.

But ultimately, if this triangle holds true for all ruins sites, it seems likely that the search areas could be narrowed greatly by calculating the height of the triangle stretching between the base (running along the moon orbit) and the opposite angle vertex (centered on the ruins site).

As ever, if I've messed something up, please correct it. Thanks.

Let's do the calculation using a 3D point at the center of the sphere. And the other being the closest one on the orbital line and the final being the ruin site
 
Yes. Directly beneath. But if ADs method of triangulation works we can do this in wings with one following the moon and the other keeping a consistent distance from their wingmafe

I'm lost as to what you're looking for with the moon's orbit but the latitude of the ground path of the moon will only go above or below the equator as much as is the moons orbital inclination . in the case of site A the moon has an orbital inclination of 6 degrees or so so it will only be overhead at most at -6 latitude, not the -32 of the relic's site.
 
I wanted to point out that if you hit supercruise at 2.1km up while you're going slowly, wait for the charge and then boost to escape speed you can immediately drop your nose to just over 0 degrees above the horizon and zoom along quite happily at 8km or so up. You will keep rising and it's hard to stay level, but it's 5 or 7 times faster than ground level.

The question is whether you'll see the ruins from that height and speed.... I'd go to the second site to check but it's probably still dark there.
 
Alright, so my last post claimed that the sound strings that the obelisks emit are time-aligned. It since then has turned out that while yes they mostly are time-aligned, it seems to have no importance. After even more inspection, I *finally* noticed that there are only 7 different tokens, which are demonstrated below.

http://i.imgur.com/5W0lXC7.png
At first I thought that L3 also had a variant, which I named L4 and I was already jumping with joy, because base8 numbers fit exactly into 3 binary bits (note the number 3), which would have made a huge amount of sense... alas, it was not to be and I can confirm that indeed there are only the 7 tokens + the [END] block which always stays the same.

So with those tokens we can divide the messages like shown below:
http://i.imgur.com/mDicxMl.png
The above string would be: SL1VL2L1SBSBL3L2VL1L2BL3VBHL2L3HL1VHBL1L2L3S[END]

It is interesting to note that my rule about there never being 2 tokens of the same type in a row still holds true! So, CMDR Farran speculated that perhaps it is indeed a language. We know that the Guardians used sign language to communicate, making two of the same sign in a row makes no sense, right? so naturally you can't have 2 tokens in a row... in addition, 7 gestures of some sort can be arranged into strings of gestures/tokens - aka. words! So we think that the strings transmitted by the obelisks are indeed words (or even sentences). So, now we definitely need some linguistics people working on this!

EDIT: I will post the strings I have tokenized -
VBL1HVBL1SHL2BL2VL2HBL1VL1BL1BHBHVL3SVSHSHBVL2L3L2VL2VL1[END]
SL1VL2L1SBSBL3L2VL1L2BL3VBHL2L3HL1VHBL1L2L3S[END]
SVSL3HVBSL3BL1BSL1L2BL2HBL3L1L3SHL2L3HL1HL3BL1L2L3SL1V[END]
VBL3BHVL2SBVBL1[END]
HL3HL3HVL1L3HBHL2LBL1HVBHBL1VHL2SLL2HVL1SHL2L1SL3VL3HVL2L1HLHSL1B[END]
VBVL2SHVSL3VHL1L2LL1L2BL3SHSL3HBHSV[END]
SVHL3L1L2L3B[END]
HSL2L1L3SL2SVHL2HL2L3VSHSL1L3L1VSVL1VL1VBVL1L3BL2HS[END]
L2L1BL2SL2VL3BVBSL3SL3L1L3L1VHVL3L2BSL3L1L2L3SL2VL2VBL3L1VL1H[END]
L1VL3BL2L3BSBVH[END]
L2L3L1VHL1HL2VBL3SVL3VSVL1L3SL2L3VHB[END]
L1SBL1L3SBL2BVL3H[END]
L1HVHBL3L1BL3SVL3VHSL3VL3VL3HL2HL2BL2L1[END]
VHL1L3L1BSVSL3VL2[END]
L2HL1L3VL3L2SL1L3L1B[END]
BHL3L1SVL1HL3HL2[END]
L1L2HBSVL3L1VSL3L2VHB[END]
VL3HL3BSBL3BL1SL3HL2[END]
HVHBL2SL2L3SHVHSHSL1BL1BL1L3L1HBVHL1HL3BSBSL1VHBL2[END]
VL3L2HL2HL3L1VSL3VHVB[END]
VL3BL2HSVL1[END]
L3L1SVBHL3SL1BL1HL1SVL1BL3BL2VSVL3VL2BSBH[END]


~CMDR Clanga

That must have been hard work!
How long is the audio recording transcribed and does it loop?
 
what really? Which data talks about them breathing helium? Also that seems... rather odd, as helium is a noble gas. Was it in relatively moderate consentrations in their homeworld atmosphere? I mean like 10 to 20% max? And then like 30-40% oxygen and rest some other gases? If so, then I could imagine their voice actually being somewhat higher than in what would be similar to Earth-air...

(Ram Tah)
He says they have launched the first astronaut in the balls with helium so that they can breathe and even sleep on long-haul flights.
 
Yes. Directly beneath. But if ADs method of triangulation works we can do this in wings with one following the moon and the other keeping a consistent distance from their wingmafe

Well, Im at -19.3498, -46.6582 on C22-17 AB 3A and have an angle between Bloop and the setting moon of 90degrees. Two outa three aint bad... Also due to a bug the surrounding rectangular tile has rendered a lot darker than it should, which is probably just a random.
 
Alright, so my last post claimed that the sound strings that the obelisks emit are time-aligned. It since then has turned out that while yes they mostly are time-aligned, it seems to have no importance. After even more inspection, I *finally* noticed that there are only 7 different tokens, which are demonstrated below.

http://i.imgur.com/5W0lXC7.png
At first I thought that L3 also had a variant, which I named L4 and I was already jumping with joy, because base8 numbers fit exactly into 3 binary bits (note the number 3), which would have made a huge amount of sense... alas, it was not to be and I can confirm that indeed there are only the 7 tokens + the [END] block which always stays the same.

So with those tokens we can divide the messages like shown below:
http://i.imgur.com/mDicxMl.png
The above string would be: SL1VL2L1SBSBL3L2VL1L2BL3VBHL2L3HL1VHBL1L2L3S[END]

It is interesting to note that my rule about there never being 2 tokens of the same type in a row still holds true! So, CMDR Farran speculated that perhaps it is indeed a language. We know that the Guardians used sign language to communicate, making two of the same sign in a row makes no sense, right? so naturally you can't have 2 tokens in a row... in addition, 7 gestures of some sort can be arranged into strings of gestures/tokens - aka. words! So we think that the strings transmitted by the obelisks are indeed words (or even sentences). So, now we definitely need some linguistics people working on this!

EDIT: I will post the strings I have tokenized -
VBL1HVBL1SHL2BL2VL2HBL1VL1BL1BHBHVL3SVSHSHBVL2L3L2VL2VL1[END]
SL1VL2L1SBSBL3L2VL1L2BL3VBHL2L3HL1VHBL1L2L3S[END]
SVSL3HVBSL3BL1BSL1L2BL2HBL3L1L3SHL2L3HL1HL3BL1L2L3SL1V[END]
VBL3BHVL2SBVBL1[END]
HL3HL3HVL1L3HBHL2LBL1HVBHBL1VHL2SLL2HVL1SHL2L1SL3VL3HVL2L1HLHSL1B[END]
VBVL2SHVSL3VHL1L2LL1L2BL3SHSL3HBHSV[END]
SVHL3L1L2L3B[END]
HSL2L1L3SL2SVHL2HL2L3VSHSL1L3L1VSVL1VL1VBVL1L3BL2HS[END]
L2L1BL2SL2VL3BVBSL3SL3L1L3L1VHVL3L2BSL3L1L2L3SL2VL2VBL3L1VL1H[END]
L1VL3BL2L3BSBVH[END]
L2L3L1VHL1HL2VBL3SVL3VSVL1L3SL2L3VHB[END]
L1SBL1L3SBL2BVL3H[END]
L1HVHBL3L1BL3SVL3VHSL3VL3VL3HL2HL2BL2L1[END]
VHL1L3L1BSVSL3VL2[END]
L2HL1L3VL3L2SL1L3L1B[END]
BHL3L1SVL1HL3HL2[END]
L1L2HBSVL3L1VSL3L2VHB[END]
VL3HL3BSBL3BL1SL3HL2[END]
HVHBL2SL2L3SHVHSHSL1BL1BL1L3L1HBVHL1HL3BSBSL1VHBL2[END]
VL3L2HL2HL3L1VSL3VHVB[END]
VL3BL2HSVL1[END]
L3L1SVBHL3SL1BL1HL1SVL1BL3BL2VSVL3VL2BSBH[END]


~CMDR Clanga

This system map??
http://imgur.com/P2NGIwI
 
That must have been hard work!
How long is the audio recording transcribed and does it loop?

Unfortunately it doesn't actually look like the strings loop. I recorded 2 hours and 5 minutes last night and well, I didn't notice any repeats... once I have tokenized all 55 of the strings from that recording I can tell you for sure. I have no idea what the words or sentences could be... but my guess is that they are somehow tied to the glyphs... could someone tell me exactly how many different glyphs / glyph combinations loop on the obelisks? If there is more than 100 then it makes sense that I have not encountered a loop yet. (Oh I actually have 28 more strings from the recording 2 days ago - im gonna tokenize those as well, I guess)

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hmm, you mean that one string is pretty much one planetary body? Who knows... could be.

edit: in that case, would the language constructs be things like the materials they have on them? or their orbital mechanics? or what?
 
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