Alien archeology and other mysteries: Thread 9 - The Canonn

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SpaceGoblin

SpaceGoblin
Ok, I'm going to make myself imensley popular with *another* moon dump!

Apologies if this is getting on anyone's nerves, just trying to help folks not re-invent this wheel (and verify/test it so it can be put to bed if it falls short somewhere).

This is the "moontage" of rising and setting views, from the centre of the two sites The first (top left) was taken 5 mins or so after moon-rise. The last is a projection
based on tracking iamgingerbear as he super-cruised the moons orbital track and I sat in the middle of the ruins. All images from centre point of ruins - tip of the ridge/stalk/key
down from the mound supporting obelisk cluster A (actually I realise thats not true for top left, but would look even better if it was!):

u0IdudN.jpg


This is a re-done image of the two sites showing a compass oriented to the ingame compass at each planet, and also the sight lines (in green) from centre point to see moon-rise and set.
I added in what I refer to as the large and small circles (in blue) for clarity. Moons rise over the small circle, set over the large. I also added where Barnards Loop (BLoop) rises from site 1's horizon.
May be a useful observation, may not.

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Apologies for the murkiness on site 2, its on the dark side. They didn't even have cookies [cry]

Here is BLoop rising from SITE ONE.

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This is the sky at SITE TWO atm:

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The moon and BLoop racing to the horizon. I'm going to miss the event - I'll be in bed sleeping.

I would *really* appreciate it if anyone gets a pic posted of the event here (from centre-point, with HUD, for preference!) to confirm the setting point. Should be 31 degree's, give or take. Just inside the large circle around A as in diagram above.

I wonder if the other rings around A (between the outer circle I've marked and the central mound) mark the outer limit of setting points for bodies in the remaining systems? I know one has no moons, but does it have some binary planets? I forget, and am too tired to check now - just banging this out so I can go sleep.

I think 2 CMDRs in a wing should be able to find site 3 (at Synuefe XO-P C22-17) by having one super-cruise the various moons orbital lines, with one on the planet below following LAT -29/-31 (known sites at this LAT) with a lock onto the orbiters Wing tag in the HUD. Where the two courses cross should be over the new site.

Of course, none of this addresses the obelisk/data situation. I've been obsessing over finding more sites, back engineering the 4 system locations from the sites on the ground (to see if it is possible, if nothing else).

Right. I gotta sleep.

Thanks to iamgingerbear for winging up to sc the moons track over site 2 (his idea), cmdr edard for asking moon based questions to trigger this mad obsession of mine, magik0012 for posting the moon-set vid for site 1 that confirmed this crazy mess of ideas for site 1, and of course zorbaq for finding site 2 to test this over!
 
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yowl

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SpaceGoblin said:
Ok, I'm going to make myself imensley popular with *another* moon dump!

Snip..
I think 2 CMDRs in a wing should be able to find site 3 (at Synuefe XO-P C22-17) by having one super-cruise the various moons orbital lines, with one on the planet below following LAT -29/-31 with a lock onto the orbiters Wing tag in the HUD.
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Thing is , if you are refering to AB 3A then its got a crazy tilt of -159.53 so the celestial lat of -29/-31 is going to need to be translated into a set of waypoints I would guess so you can fly it. Probably you could do that using http://www.movable-type.co.uk/scripts/latlong-vectors.html
 

CMDR-AD

CMDR-AD
CMDR-AD said:
3. Perhaps most importantly... All my calculations above are based off the equator. Well, at the 1st ruins planet, the moon has a -6.8 degree inclination. So how many km above/below the equator is this at the ruin's -128.97 longitude? This variance will likely impact the triangle height calculation a bit, and from that, everything after. Solving this will take a good deal of legwork.
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Regarding my previous post, about how the inclination of a moon's orbit plots related to the planet's equator... Can anyone critique the following? I have been putting my head back into the mathematics to solve this quoted point above.

My solution: I can multiply the moon's orbital inclination by the sine of the longitude of some geographic point, to get the deviation from the planet's equator.

Example:
Moon orbital inclination: -6.8 degrees
Geographic site longitude: -128.97 degrees

(-6.8)*sin(-128.97) = 5.286 degree variance from equator

Hopefully I've got that right. It makes plotting moon orbits and offsetting those orbits much easier.

Thanks for any comments or corrections.
 
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disorganise

disorganise
Is there a way to reliably place artefacts?

Thinking for example.....remove the items around the obelisk cluster that we know likes the tablet, and replace with tablets. This is based on the thought that perhaps the glowing veins beneath the artefacts are not just for artistic design, but also functional.

I'll try myself when I get back (8k ly out at the moment) if I can get a stable session (I seemed to get adjudication error every few scan attempts which is why I gave up and choofed off to the core).
What I'd like to try is;
Make the 4 relic towers stand
Replace the artefacts
Scan with the known combo and see if another one appears because it is no longer blocked by an artefact it doesn't 'like' on the veins.
 

AdmlAdama

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IsAB said:
I'm lost as to what you're looking for with the moon's orbit but the latitude of the ground path of the moon will only go above or below the equator as much as is the moons orbital inclination . in the case of site A the moon has an orbital inclination of 6 degrees or so so it will only be overhead at most at -6 latitude, not the -32 of the relic's site.
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Here's a quick and dirty sketch of what is describing with a 22 degree orbit line, for example as viewed from the side. The positions aren't accurate. Just a way to show you want I mean by offset and parallel lines

http://imgur.com/fhh2oIf
 

AdmlAdama

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CMDR-AD said:
Regarding my previous post, about how the inclination of a moon's orbit plots related to the planet's equator... Can anyone critique the following? I have been putting my head back into the mathematics to solve this quoted point above.

My solution: I can multiply the moon's orbital inclination by the sine of the longitude of some geographic point, to get the deviation from the planet's equator.

Example:
Moon orbital inclination: -6.8 degrees
Geographic site longitude: -128.97 degrees

(-6.8)*sin(-128.97) = 5.286 degree variance from equator

Hopefully I've got that right. It makes plotting moon orbits and offsetting those orbits much easier.

Thanks for any comments or corrections.
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i don't think we can use the equator as depending on the Ruins location on the planet relative to the orbital line of the moon will determine if more than anything. We need to get the point where a line from the ruins runs directly into the orbit of the moon.

For example if you had somebody in a wing following the moon the second it reaches the Apex what coordinate is that. Then imagine a triangle of that coordinate, the center of the planet and the ruin site.

The angle at the point in the center, I suspect, is the magic number as it will relate to the radius of the planet as you noted earlier.

Edit: not sure about this last point as we're using coordinates which will scale regardless of the size of the planet. So we just need to identify the relationship between radius to distance on the surface and we should have our offset
 
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ledg

ledg
ChemicalBR0 said:
something i just noticed. (if its been said before my appologies but this thread is impossible to follow)
the compositions of both bodies with known ruins is more or less divisible by 3.

1st ruin site is 90.5% rock 9.5 metal

2nd ruin is 66.4 rock 33.6 metal (it was this ratio that sparked my interest)

probably nothing as the margin of error is definitely there, but just thought id throw it in here anyway.

perhaps other bodies in the named systems have similar ratios?
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Seems to me that you now also have comparable material lists for these bodies. There may be specific mats needed for building the structures.
 
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AdmlAdama

A
QorbeQ said:
Well, I've got 14.205° scribbled down in my notes here too, as the offset from the orbital track.

I'm struggling to associate that with each moon's orbital data in an easy-to-calculate manner. Perhaps a spreadsheet will do the job...
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Do you have the distance in km from the apex to the ruins?
 

AdmlAdama

A
SpaceGoblin said:
Ok, I'm going to make myself imensley popular with *another* moon dump!

Apologies if this is getting on anyone's nerves, just trying to help folks not re-invent this wheel (and verify/test it so it can be put to bed if it falls short somewhere).

This is the "moontage" of rising and setting views, from the centre of the two sites The first (top left) was taken 5 mins or so after moon-rise. The last is a projection
based on tracking iamgingerbear as he super-cruised the moons orbital track and I sat in the middle of the ruins. All images from centre point of ruins - tip of the ridge/stalk/key
down from the mound supporting obelisk cluster A (actually I realise thats not true for top left, but would look even better if it was!):

https://i.imgur.com/u0IdudN.jpg

This is a re-done image of the two sites showing a compass oriented to the ingame compass at each planet, and also the sight lines (in green) from centre point to see moon-rise and set.
I added in what I refer to as the large and small circles (in blue) for clarity. Moons rise over the small circle, set over the large. I also added where Barnards Loop (BLoop) rises from site 1's horizon.
May be a useful observation, may not.

https://i.imgur.com/oQ5u0jk.jpg

Apologies for the murkiness on site 2, its on the dark side. They didn't even have cookies [cry]

Here is BLoop rising from SITE ONE.

https://i.imgur.com/35xjyhw.jpg

This is the sky at SITE TWO atm:

https://i.imgur.com/TcP8paI.jpg

The moon and BLoop racing to the horizon. I'm going to miss the event - I'll be in bed sleeping.

I would *really* appreciate it if anyone gets a pic posted of the event here (from centre-point, with HUD, for preference!) to confirm the setting point. Should be 31 degree's, give or take. Just inside the large circle around A as in diagram above.

I wonder if the other rings around A (between the outer circle I've marked and the central mound) mark the outer limit of setting points for bodies in the remaining systems? I know one has no moons, but does it have some binary planets? I forget, and am too tired to check now - just banging this out so I can go sleep.

I think 2 CMDRs in a wing should be able to find site 3 (at Synuefe XO-P C22-17) by having one super-cruise the various moons orbital lines, with one on the planet below following LAT -29/-31 (known sites at this LAT) with a lock onto the orbiters Wing tag in the HUD. Where the two courses cross should be over the new site.

Of course, none of this addresses the obelisk/data situation. I've been obsessing over finding more sites, back engineering the 4 system locations from the sites on the ground (to see if it is possible, if nothing else).

Right. I gotta sleep.

Thanks to iamgingerbear for winging up to sc the moons track over site 2 (his idea), cmdr edard for asking moon based questions to trigger this mad obsession of mine, magik0012 for posting the moon-set vid for site 1 that confirmed this crazy mess of ideas for site 1, and of course zorbaq for finding site 2 to test this over!
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Keep it coming. Helps me to calculate the offset fot surveying

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yowl said:
Can explain what you mean by apex?
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When the moon rises over the one circle and sets at the second. At the moment it's right between them.

The coordinate of the moons ground track and the distance in km would be a huge help
 

Bri

Bri
Following on from the moon hypothesis I've just been charting the orbital path of the moon of IC 2391 Sector ZE-A D101 C 3, which thanks to a high orbital inclination follows an almost north-south path, crossing the equator from south to north at 95.6486° longitude heading between 4-5° (hard to tell exactly with the in game compass). So if the theory holds up, if there are ruins here they should, unless tiredness had addled my brain, be located on a roughly north-south small circle somewhere to the east of this longitude. Calculating just how far east might have to wait till I've had some sleep however.

Moon Rising:
View attachment 113805

And as an added incentive for this planet, the moons orbital path happens to run right through Barnard's Loop, which I know some people have been looking at:
View attachment 113806
 

AdmlAdama

A
Bri said:
Following on from the moon hypothesis I've just been charting the orbital path of the moon of IC 2391 Sector ZE-A D101 C 3, which thanks to a high orbital inclination follows an almost north-south path, crossing the equator from south to north at 95.6486° longitude heading between 4-5° (hard to tell exactly with the in game compass). So if the theory holds up, if there are ruins here they should, unless tiredness had addled my brain, be located on a roughly north-south small circle somewhere to the east of this longitude. Calculating just how far east might have to wait till I've had some sleep however.

Moon Rising:
View attachment 113805

And as an added incentive for this planet, the moons orbital path happens to run right through Barnard's Loop, which I know some people have been looking at:
View attachment 113806
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Mind adding the lunar ground track here?

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-fqcT1t1QylyadOa23_fgFIlbRy7QBr2G2M4gjxOKsA
 

wodthing

wodthing
Alright, with two ruin site locations known, I thought a little triangulation would unearth (unplanet?) the third site. So, I simple used 1. the third planets equator (0°), 2. the planets core, and 3. the planets axis as a reference point.

This will lead to the coordinates:
1. 30.44, -81.08
2. 30.44, 99.62
3. -30.44, 99.62

I've checked these coordinates on planet SYNUEFE XO-P C22-17 AB3, because I thought it would be another candidate, but alas, the coordinates did not reveal anything.

Sketch of 1st scenario described:

http://i.imgur.com/vlfrGay.jpg
 

MacFly

M
ok i know there is a lot of speculation going on here but let me add one more.

the moon seems to be important.

so i checked the moons at both sites. they both have a lot of silicates and sulfur. they both have an orbit wich is, lets say, interesting.

maybe (and as i said it´s just speculation) the moons are some kind of reflector, reverberator or amplifier/relay for the aliens communications network.

thats it for me today... pls do not roast me if this is to much speculation. i just want to help here.

o7 and fly safe.
 
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