Alien archeology and other mysteries: Thread 9 - The Canonn

[Han_Zen]

So looks like moons are very important.
Almost same planet tilt... it's interesting but why?

I'm not sure. It seems that at the right position in the orbit, both the horizontal and vertical vector of the ruin has a 30° opening to the normal vector of the system(not at the same time ).

This off course fits well with a triangle or tetrahedron shape of the network, but I'm not able to see the full application. It's a bit to complex for me.

 

[Factabulous]

Erm update what ?
Has the site been mapped and assigned cluster letters and obelisk numbers as a standard ?

No, sadly : there are tabs for the lore which we could fill in. Hopefully there will be a map soon, it's all a bit wild west at the moment I guess!

 

[QorbeQ]

Congratulations CMDR Khenistry.

I've been working on a spreadsheet to calculate the moon orbit around the planet, then take the relevant offset on the planetary surface (allowing for the orbital inclincation of the moon track) and converting that back to lat and long arcs on the planets surface.

Moon Tracker

This seems to work for both D11-102 (alpha) and B2-4 (beta) (certainly within the tolerances of spotting the moon by eye over the mounds) but I cannot find a match for the location of the new site at D101 (gamma).

Likely reasons, in order of probability:

A) My mathematics may be very wrong (and ugly - good god don't look at it!)
B) The new site has moon-rise / moon-set markers, but they are at a different relative angle to each other
C) The new site does not have moon-rise / moon-set markers at all
D) The whole moon-associative thing is a fluke (but I consider unlikely for even two sites match as well as they do purely by chance, hence dislike this option)


o7

 

[CMDR Vox-Lee]

Erm update what ?
Has the site been mapped and assigned cluster letters and obelisk numbers as a standard ?

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Ditto this

 

[BobFat]

Hi all, First post for me in this thread. Something odd just happened and wanted to share. Sorry, have no evidence, thought it was recorded but my video recording threshold bust... grrrr. So take it or leave it... and perhaps someone may also experience this.

Time: 10:45 AM GMT on 30th January
Location: On route to third ruins site - and on approach to IC 2391 Sector ZE-A D101 BC2
Game mode: PG in Mobius
Travel mode: Supercruise

So whilst minding my own business on route to the third ruins site i thought I would scan the planets. First stop.... IC 2391 Sector ZE-A D101 BC2. On approach to scanning range my ship started to ice up. Exactly like the icing event during hyperdiction by the flower ship. Suffice to say i got a bit jittery. I've never witnessed this event before being hyperdicted.

Nothing on the scanner to be seen. Nothing on the navigation pane. BUT, an unknown low wake contact was showing in my contact panel. it was in the star system of the ruins. Selected it, lined up in the crosshairs... nothing. Raced towards it but it disappeared before i could try and scan the wake. Now normally if you select a wake scan i thought if it belonged to another commander it would say which commander. This didnt.... just unknown.

Like i said, i have no evidence, so this might all be nothing.... but given all the strange goings on who knows. Has anyone else experienced anything like this?

Fly safe everyone.

 

[nrage]

Longitude is harder to justify because the prime meridian of a planet is arbitrary unless it's tidally locked. I could only put that down to the human element at FD.

Perhaps if we re-base the values we have we will find they are related to 3s also, for example if they use 3/6/9 lines of longtitude the ruins might all be on one of these. I still think the path of the moon is more important however..

 

[CMDR Vox-Lee]

Hi all, First post for me in this thread. Something odd just happened and wanted to share. Sorry, have no evidence, thought it was recorded but my video recording threshold bust... grrrr. So take it or leave it... and perhaps someone may also experience this.

Time: 10:45 AM GMT on 30th January
Location: On route to third ruins site - and on approach to IC 2391 Sector ZE-A D101 BC2
Game mode: PG in Mobius
Travel mode: Supercruise

So whilst minding my own business on route to the third ruins site i thought I would scan the planets. First stop.... IC 2391 Sector ZE-A D101 BC2. On approach to scanning range my ship started to ice up. Exactly like the icing event during hyperdiction by the flower ship. Suffice to say i got a bit jittery. I've never witnessed this event before being hyperdicted.

Nothing on the scanner to be seen. Nothing on the navigation pane. BUT, an unknown low wake contact was showing in my contact panel. it was in the star system of the ruins. Selected it, lined up in the crosshairs... nothing. Raced towards it but it disappeared before i could try and scan the wake. Now normally if you select a wake scan i thought if it belonged to another commander it would say which commander. This didnt.... just unknown.

Like i said, i have no evidence, so this might all be nothing.... but given all the strange goings on who knows. Has anyone else experienced anything like this?

Fly safe everyone.

Was it like this? The Wake scan VIDEO

 

[BL1P]

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[JJ12880]

Was at the Beta site last night, and as the science was a little slow, a few cmdrs decided to have some fun. I present SRV's driving on a raft of ships, about 150m up.

 

[nrage]

I will bet that the other ruins will be found at planetary bodies with a moon. At approx. 30 or -30 latitude intersecting the moon path so it rises and falls at cca 45° angle. Great job Commander! I was searching -30 latitude of the same body.

All ruins are situated at planets with moon and has lat or long around 30 (plus or minus). That's where we should find other

The first two were at -30 and the 3rd at +30. Is the difference here due to a property of the planet/moon, orbital inclination perhaps? Something that makes -30 non viable in the 3rd case? I'm just wondering if we can use this to help select where to start looking on the remaining candidate planets.

It also occurs to me that -60/+60 might be possible options on some planets due to these same planetary/moon properties.

Has anyone considered there might be multiple sites on each planet? Perhaps the larger site (1st and 2nd) are at -30 and the smaller (3rd) site are at +30?

One last thought.. given that each site has a moon, have we looked at the surface of the moons themselves to perhaps contain small relay station/sites?

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GS-3 Full Planet Details
Object Name: IC 2391 Sector ZE-A d101 C 3
Earth Mass: 0.0122
Radius: 1,505 km
Gravity: 0.22 G
Surface Temp: 300 K
Volcanism: No Volcanism
Atmosphere Type: No Atmosphere
Composition: 66.3% Rock 33.7% Metal
Orbital Period: 7.5 D
Semi Major Axis: 0.04 AU
Orbital Eccentricity: 0.0045
Orbital Inclination: 0.02 deg
Arg of Periapsis: 321.52 deg
Rotational Period: 7.5 D (Tidally Locked)
Axis Tilt: 42.10 deg
Planet Materials: 21.2% Iron 16.0% Nickel 15.0% Sulphur 12.6% Carbon 9.5% Chromium 8.7% Manganese 8.1% Phosphorus 5.2% Vanadium 1.4% Molybdenum 1.3% Ruthenium 0.9% Mercury

Do we have moon details for each site too?

 

[Iori]

I think we shouldn't rule out the possibility that there may be more than 1 set of ruins on each planet, or that there aren't ruins on their respective moons.

 

[allocater]

Inner circle obilisk gives lang 1! with casket and tablet at 29.4535 NS -59.5278

Woot so this is the Alpha site. Lang 1 also could be tablet solo, which would fit the algorithm: http://i.imgur.com/NMB1j9a.png

 

[Jorki Rasalas]

Hi all, First post for me in this thread. Something odd just happened and wanted to share. Sorry, have no evidence, thought it was recorded but my video recording threshold bust... grrrr. So take it or leave it... and perhaps someone may also experience this.

Time: 10:45 AM GMT on 30th January
Location: On route to third ruins site - and on approach to IC 2391 Sector ZE-A D101 BC2
Game mode: PG in Mobius
Travel mode: Supercruise

So whilst minding my own business on route to the third ruins site i thought I would scan the planets. First stop.... IC 2391 Sector ZE-A D101 BC2. On approach to scanning range my ship started to ice up. Exactly like the icing event during hyperdiction by the flower ship. Suffice to say i got a bit jittery. I've never witnessed this event before being hyperdicted.

Nothing on the scanner to be seen. Nothing on the navigation pane. BUT, an unknown low wake contact was showing in my contact panel. it was in the star system of the ruins. Selected it, lined up in the crosshairs... nothing. Raced towards it but it disappeared before i could try and scan the wake. Now normally if you select a wake scan i thought if it belonged to another commander it would say which commander. This didnt.... just unknown.

Like i said, i have no evidence, so this might all be nothing.... but given all the strange goings on who knows. Has anyone else experienced anything like this?


Fly safe everyone.

Ages ago on my first exploration trip about four jumps after I'd left Obsidian Orbital I iced up... then I realised I'd accidentally fired off three heat sinks in close succession...

 

[Erid]

I'm not sure. It seems that at the right position in the orbit, both the horizontal and vertical vector of the ruin has a 30° opening to the normal vector of the system(not at the same time ).

This off course fits well with a triangle or tetrahedron shape of the network, but I'm not able to see the full application. It's a bit to complex for me.

Yes. And even if it's +-30° to system plane we can't measure system plane tilt to galaxy disk. So this data is interesting but lead nowhere then we want to triangulate by real angles. Simplistically, we can estimate something.
Maybe it will help to find another ruins but it need to confirm.

 

[nrage]

So if 3rd site is diferent when it's quite interesting why 2nd is like 1st. It's can be not a bug...

Indeed. I think the moon rise/set locations and the circles are key to reinforcing the similarities in site placement so therefore necessary. I think the exact same erosion/damage might simply have been due to lack of development time (we jumped the gun on this a little when we found the first site).

 

[Arioch]

Hope you're posting these new messages into the spreadsheet!

I'm going to start transcribing a few now

 

[nrage]

The 100% same wear and tear is still lazy.

It's not like they were sitting around sipping tea and relaxing instead of improving the ruins, to suggest that is mean spirited and clearly false. Frontier will always have a finite amount of development effort and they have to chose where to spend it. They may have had to prioritise multi-crew or one of the other features/improvements in 2.3 and, ultimately, we're going to be happy they did.

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If the duplicate gave different data I'd agree. But why use the CG to give us a site we already have?

Similar sites used for similar purposes would presumably contain the same data, right?

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It's not the fact that the sites are the same layout. It's that the damage and weathering are exactly the same, it's that which comes across as laziness.

See above

 

[SpaceGoblin]

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Might you be better served to try each combo of items on *all* obelisks in the instance before re-logging to reset, rather than one test one re-log?

 

[Rootgod]

Here is the clearest image I have made for marking up....

https://i.imgur.com/14k9sar.jpg

I discovered all the relic towers (x 4) and picked up all the items (at least I think I have)...

 

[yowl]

Because the dark side is always facing Barnard's Loop and ALL FOUR other ruins systems, I am calling it right now that Planet 1 in Synuefe ZL-J d10-119 - at either -30 or by 30/60 by xxx.xxxx is the ruins site.

No, it can't be always dark and a;ways facing body's outside its star system, that would imply its not moving at all. All planets rotate on their axis.