Alien archeology and other mysteries: Thread 9 - The Canonn

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Liet Atreides

Liet Atreides
Looks like I figured out Guardians visual, smaller face, red skin :

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Plot twist : This is Star Maps for star forge :]

Also all these crazy geometrical theories is pure nonsense. Its 3 ruins and 2 of them were stumbled upon and 1 is triangulated from trailer.

3rd Ruins is more like data or cultural center.
 
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Midor Parit

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Something, that comes in my mind when i hear about that copy of the ancient ruin. Could it be, that the first discovered ancient ruin was not supposed to be there and its true (or meaningful) place is the new one? Thats because if you compare the beacons of that site with the constellation of the 4 systems that ram gave us, it could match them. Use case for that to happen could be, they were developing that puzzle (or maybe updated it) but while in progress somebody already discovered that side?
 

Mengy

Mengy
So something I’ve been thinking about regarding the first two ruins being exact duplicates of each other. In video games re-using assets is common, especially when you have large worlds which need to be filled with content, and especially if that content is randomly or procedurally placed. Now an awful lot of the community got in an uproar when the huge search effort turned up the second ruins but it turned out to be exactly like the first. And the uproar was understandable as it felt very lazy and lacking in effort by Frontier, and it hurt after the monumental effort the community had made to only find such a lacking reward. But, all of this time we've been going under the assumption that we are only looking for a few ruin sites, Ram Tah specified four systems to look in, and we've found two of them so far.

What if there are in fact a lot more than a couple ruin sites out there? What if there are dozens of them? Maybe many dozens? In this case then Frontier re-using ruin assets wouldn't be so terrible, in fact it would actually be required from a development point of view.
 

ape808

ape808
Mengy said:
So something I’ve been thinking about regarding the first two ruins being exact duplicates of each other. In video games re-using assets is common, especially when you have large worlds which need to be filled with content, and especially if that content is randomly or procedurally placed. Now an awful lot of the community got in an uproar when the huge search effort turned up the second ruins but it turned out to be exactly like the first. And the uproar was understandable as it felt very lazy and lacking in effort by Frontier, and it hurt after the monumental effort the community had made to only find such a lacking reward. But, all of this time we've been going under the assumption that we are only looking for a few ruin sites, Ram Tah specified four systems to look in, and we've found two of them so far.

What if there are in fact a lot more than a couple ruin sites out there? What if there are dozens of them? Maybe many dozens? In this case then Frontier re-using ruin assets wouldn't be so terrible, in fact it would actually be required from a development point of view.
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One thing to remember is that the first site WAS different before 2.2.03. I wonder if sites 1+2 were both changed at that time, or if the 2nd site was copied across to provide some missed clue.

Perhaps in future, once this particular mystery is over, I hope we find out the reason it was changed.


*And if your theory is right and there are more sites to find, multiple copies, then perhaps the equilateral triangle that the middle 3 stars form is repeated around the closest and furthest systems?
 
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Ozric

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Mengy said:
So something I’ve been thinking about regarding the first two ruins being exact duplicates of each other. In video games re-using assets is common, especially when you have large worlds which need to be filled with content, and especially if that content is randomly or procedurally placed. Now an awful lot of the community got in an uproar when the huge search effort turned up the second ruins but it turned out to be exactly like the first. And the uproar was understandable as it felt very lazy and lacking in effort by Frontier, and it hurt after the monumental effort the community had made to only find such a lacking reward. But, all of this time we've been going under the assumption that we are only looking for a few ruin sites, Ram Tah specified four systems to look in, and we've found two of them so far.

What if there are in fact a lot more than a couple ruin sites out there? What if there are dozens of them? Maybe many dozens? In this case then Frontier re-using ruin assets wouldn't be so terrible, in fact it would actually be required from a development point of view.
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I'd still maintain (and be prepared to be spectacularly wrong) that the next ruins we find will be the same as the first 2, not because it's lazy (although it is certainly handy ;)) but because of their purpose. If it's to do with FTL communication does it not make sense to have all the communication devices the same but the central hub different?

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I'd say it's more likely the next site (or potentially 2 sites if Ram actually meant one per system) will be the same as the first and second that were discovered. We've known for a fair amount of time that the ruins that were discovered first were not the ones FD had planned for us to find first. I've always thought that there was going to be obscure leads for us to find them and if not then we would have a CG to get us there.

The 3rd site which (I agree with the name) I think would be very helpful if we could start referring to as the Alpha site, will have clues to work out what to do with the following sites we find. It would be like the control hub and so I see no reason for the other sites not to be exactly the same, because they would be like the receiver dishes (or some such).

As hard as it will be (and unless FD have changed things around) I think it will help to approach this site as though we didn't know anything about the Obelisks or other items.
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BL1P

BL1P
Cmdr Edard said:
So on D10 i had two obelisks lighting up? Should have screened it. If it happens again I will screen shot it.
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Yer its just that the front page image isnt doing 2 numbers for doubles
Ive been calling it A10.1 for the one close to the central spike thing in the bowl.
and for the F cluster F12.1 :)
 

Pumabear8

Pumabear8
Mengy said:
So something I’ve been thinking about regarding the first two ruins being exact duplicates of each other. In video games re-using assets is common, especially when you have large worlds which need to be filled with content, and especially if that content is randomly or procedurally placed. Now an awful lot of the community got in an uproar when the huge search effort turned up the second ruins but it turned out to be exactly like the first. And the uproar was understandable as it felt very lazy and lacking in effort by Frontier, and it hurt after the monumental effort the community had made to only find such a lacking reward. But, all of this time we've been going under the assumption that we are only looking for a few ruin sites, Ram Tah specified four systems to look in, and we've found two of them so far.

What if there are in fact a lot more than a couple ruin sites out there? What if there are dozens of them? Maybe many dozens? In this case then Frontier re-using ruin assets wouldn't be so terrible, in fact it would actually be required from a development point of view.
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Then I would say this third site is perhaps the primary site given it's not a copy/paste.
 

Ozric

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Ozric
ape808 said:
Perhaps in future, once this particular mystery is over, I hope we find out the reason it was changed.
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I wonder if it was changed purely because they had to adapt the story to fit the discovery. It will indeed be interesting to find out.
 

DialBforBiscuit

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Mengy said:
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What if there are in fact a lot more than a couple ruin sites out there? What if there are dozens of them? Maybe many dozens? In this case then Frontier re-using ruin assets wouldn't be so terrible, in fact it would actually be required from a development point of view.
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Seeding ruin sites would make sense, but they align with celestial bodies too well. We might find 3 or 4 copies of each site type. Ruin 1 and 2 are suspiciously placed almost 90 degrees apart. Its a rough stretch, and I hate suggesting coords, but if there's another ruin site with that same design in the [-27,-33],[87,93] range on another planet they'd make a triangle. Not like one you could draw out in our dimension though. More like a metaphysical triangle. An abstract idea, that if you overlayed all the ruin planets the sites would make a geometric pattern.

Not a hypothesis, just a thought.
 

Pumabear8

Pumabear8
Cmdr Edard said:
How come you believe this? It's also plausible to believe there are around 3 or 4 varieties of ruins if the data comes in packs of 13.
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I don't believe it, it's a guess, this new site I think was meant to lead to all the others, it has much more detail in it's layout, some of which look like moons orbiting larger bodies that are orbiting an even larger body.
 
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