A blank cheque to the Tories, got it. I guess you're an independently wealthy landowner, or a business tycoon. If you're not, you're going to be losing out.
But you'll ignore this as well, because I'm just spreading FUD obviously.
General / Off-Topic Brexit: MPs overwhelmingly back Article 50 bill by 498 votes to 114
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A blank cheque to the Tories, got it. I guess you're an independently wealthy landowner, or a business tycoon. If you're not, you're going to be losing out.
But you'll ignore this as well, because I'm just spreading FUD obviously.
verminstar
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It never went away, just got more bitter...seems its harder than anyone knew to teach an old dog new tricks...making the same mistakes over and over and oh look, over again ^
This reminds me of that old gameshow (I forget it's name) where the contestant has to pick a door and get's what's behind the door as their prize.
We've picked a door
Now we wait to find out if it's a speed boat, a small hatchback, a food processor or a wooden spoon.....
We've picked a door
Now we wait to find out if it's a speed boat, a small hatchback, a food processor or a wooden spoon.....
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Robert Maynard
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.... even when the rout of the 2015 General Election is taken into account?
(accepting that few of those who lost seats were Tories as they didn't have many in Scotland in the first place)
I guess so, and also considering the Britain that people voted to stay part of last time no longer exists I suppose. I see the story is starting to appear in a few news websites now - variations of "Westminster blocking Scottish independence referendum".
It hardly matters anyway, Brexit is temporary....
...only when next England and Wales join (Ireland will have reunified and Scotland will have left in before 2025) there will be no opt-out from the Euro, no rebate, and a joining of the Shengen area. Progress can be stalled, but not halted.
verminstar
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No, Ireland will not unify...not fer at least another 20 years, maybe longer but nice try all the same. Scotland...well they will do what they will do...they will decide their own fate one way or another and if that means leaving the UK, then that is their choice.
As fer going back to the bloc with begging bowl in hand...politicians will do what politicians always do and follow the most corrupt path, so it wouldnt surprise me if thats exactly what they did. I wouldnt support that though unless it was voted for democratically...bypassing democracy however would be a very bad idea which would send out the message that democracy is dead in the UK. Good luck to the politician who walks that path as history will judge them accordingly, while confirming the widely held belief that the EU cares little fer democratic processes.
Nice colours on the graph though...I see the point yer insinuating but to be perfectly honest with ye, I couldnt care less. What will be will be, and fer now, we are leaving the EU...and that means happy days all round ^
As fer going back to the bloc with begging bowl in hand...politicians will do what politicians always do and follow the most corrupt path, so it wouldnt surprise me if thats exactly what they did. I wouldnt support that though unless it was voted for democratically...bypassing democracy however would be a very bad idea which would send out the message that democracy is dead in the UK. Good luck to the politician who walks that path as history will judge them accordingly, while confirming the widely held belief that the EU cares little fer democratic processes.
Nice colours on the graph though...I see the point yer insinuating but to be perfectly honest with ye, I couldnt care less. What will be will be, and fer now, we are leaving the EU...and that means happy days all round ^
Minonian
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So... If some people want to cripple the whole country it must be respected?
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Except, the premise was the Scottish referendum to stay in EU too. Now, this promise is broken. Where is the respect in this?
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20 years is still temporary. You two are only disagreeing on the speed of the event.
So what that graphic tells me is:
The longer people are exposed to the EU, the less they like it.
United Kingdom European Community (Common Market) membership referendum, 1975
Choice
Referendum passed
Yes--17,378,581-----67.23%
No--8,470,073-------32.77%
Registered voters and turnout---40,456,877---64.03%
United Kingdom European Union membership referendum, 2016
Choice
Leave the European Union-------------------- 17,410,742----51.89%
Remain a member of the European Union----16,141,241----48.11%
Registered voters and turnout-----------------46,500,001----72.21%
It wouldn't appear to be just an age thing either.
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As opposed to going to the likes of Trump with a begging bowl in hand?
In the EU you had a voice, and a powerful one. How much of a voice do you really think you're going to have with Trump? This what I don't get. You keep on about giving the elites a good kicking whilst celebrating leaving a human right court and the impending selling of the nation's dignity and rights to a man with a gold-plated elevator to his penthouse.
Europe is now the leader of the free world. Walking away from it, citing "elites", is like a turkey hoping for Christmas because it "wants to see new year".
verminstar
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Well I did say it was inevitable at some point in every single comment concerning such a thing...it bothers me yes, but not because fuzzy keeps bringing it up. My own side is begging fer unity here and many wont even vote in silent protest which will make the situation worse fer us, but I wont justify corruption by voting. Again, we will be self harming but thats what the state of politics has done...nobody trusts them and they gonna feel that on polling day.
In 20 years, Ill be 65...my daughter is fully aware of my wishes to choose my own departure time and I refuse point blank to ever get to the point where I need others caring fer me...alternative arrangements will exist by that time and my daughter will see unification in her lifetime, of that I am certain. Hopefully, I wont be here to see it and fuzzy gets his wish to see all the older voters die off.
Anyway...I suppose its all still the fault of the right wing extremists? I even have plans to get a swastika tattooed on my forehead and shave all my hair off before I go bald, and wear my old doc martins...may as well act the part yes? That seems to be the current label being bandied around ^
Does it?
It has nothing to do with older people using The Daily Mail/Express/Sun as a news source and younger people with more tech savvy doing actual research?
Like any good marriage. Stuff gets stale.
Then you think divorce.
Then you divorce.
Then your house, car and half of your cat is gone.
Then it turns out, your pot belly and receding hairline don't make you all that attractive to the "young lasses" you imagined you'd get once you're free and that 1997 Vauxhall Corsa you can afford after the break up ain't pulling that many birds, either.
Then you buy canned baked beans and wait for stuff to be over.
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Like any good marriage. Stuff gets stale.
Then you think divorce.
Then you divorce.
Then your house, car and half of your cat is gone.
Then it turns out, your pot belly and receding hairline don't make you all that attractive to the "young lasses" you imagined you'd get once you're free and that 1997 Vauxhall Corsa you can afford after the break up ain't pulling that many birds, either.
Then you buy canned baked beans and wait for stuff to be over.
You little ray of sunshine you...
verminstar
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I admit it feels like we doing a deal with the devi8l, but what choice do we have? Go back to EU and have them impose freedom of movement on us? Thanks but no thanks...its one option that includes very few alternatives and while distasteful, is still preferable than going back to the bloc. Told ye before, I will never accept total freedom of movement that the EU says we must have to remain i the single market...I will not, cannot in any frame of mind support that.
If it means doing a deal with the devil, then so be it. Not like we have a huge list of choices, is it? By all means, suggest an alternative as dealing with north korea would probably be less distasteful, but it is what it is ^
You little ray of sunshine you...
I have very fond memories of those baked beans. Less of my Greek roommate's attempts to deep fry everything in tons of olive oil.
Maybe we can haz a deal? I come back for ze beans, they stay out with their nasty oil?
(Edit and more serious note: I saw somewhere that brexit means restricting the right of abode for EU citizens? I think the implications of that are really hard to fathom right now - there has been so much going on since 1975 and thinking that a) all the expats will return to the UK to fill empty positions while b) UK won't lose some talented people might prove painfully wrong overall)
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Minonian
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Actually it's says the ones whom grew up in the old system want it back, and the youngers are don't want to let their world ends too soon.
Talking about selfishness eh? From the part of the older generations.
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I have very fond memories of those baked beans. Less of my Greek roommate's attempts to deep fry everything in tons of olive oil.
Maybe we can haz a deal? I come back for ze beans, they stay out with their nasty oil?
(Edit and more serious note: I saw somewhere that brexit means restricting the right of abode for EU citizens? I think the implications of that are really hard to fathom right now - there has been so much going on since 1975 and thinking that a) all the expats will return to the UK to fill empty positions while b) UK won't lose some talented people might prove painfully wrong overall)
Yeah... Despite what TM says the Eu prepared to deal with the consequences, and also with the UK answers if you know something coming, no matter how surprising is, you can get over it.
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The lie caught up with them in the end.