X Rebirth. That had tons of bugs and was not a great game.
I've heard they got way better since launch, and are even marketing and selling the new DLC (Home of Light) at a very sane pricepoint. I am going to revisit it probably because currently E: D has nothing more for me to offer besides VR play. And VR DLC for X:R is being in the works, I will gladly buy that. Plus they're announced X4. If they learned from their mistakes, well... it could be a game changer.
Sandro was asked about the possibility of gameplay at the new installations ("new" even though some have been in since 2.2) and he literally couldn't think up anything besides "Bounty Hunting". Look, I know he was on the spot, but he's the lead designer for Christ sake. He couldn't think up anything besides something combat related? Does that mean they've hardly been thinking about it?
Its not only my personal opinion, but also some of my powerplay friends, that
this game would really benefit if he was fired. That's based on his knowledge of the product he's working on, his briliant comments like "no commodity storage because you will hack the BGS", "No cargo insurance means interesting gameplay" and many others involving powerplay which would be boring to 95% of people here ;-) Or maybe we're mistaken and he is working with wondrous content two seasons in the future and he's not preoccupied with current state of affairs. But I fear reality is much more grim.
Evochron Legacy also comes to mind and was mentioned on the forums as "all you ever wanted from Elite, only with bad graphics". Also there are other games coming faster than soon(tm).
People who say there is no gameplay with "space legs" have no clue what is up..
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However, mark my words... If they skip "space legs" this game will bleed players to SC like you would not believe. You can think what you want to about how the games are different, ect ect... However, they ARE in fact competing with each other whether you like it or not...
As someone who played SC and saw the difference with my own eyes, I agree. And it does wonders for the immersion factor. That said SC is yet to be released and its nowhere near that. I still think playerbase will bleed, but not to SC.
Edit: OP shouldn't get worried over a game, it's just a game after all.
Elite is <3 Elite is life...
(a lot of sane stuff but I need to clip for visibility)
There are games with those features to be released soon so i'll play them (mass effect, infinity battlescape, even SC 3.0 alpha)
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there is no point in 400,000,000,000 star Systems when they are all look alike and completly empty, we need content and variety on planets, not empty surface.
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It's devs product and their decision and i hope they will bring something meaningfull soon, until then my wallet is closed even me as a single buyer i'm not important.
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i'll wait for that or something what will give ED depth.
Pretty much this. There are other games brewing, and for us to take it again hook line and sinker the update/season/dlc has to be groundbreaking. Horizons and landings was for me.
if brutally honest I'm not sure DBs directorship of the game is a good thing. He strikes me as being entrenched in his view
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There is absolutely no conceivable reason for 400 billion star systems in a game, woohoo.. another empty system...
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I happen to think moving towards a more player emergent content game, with tools and features, would be the way to go. After all this time I dont think thats going to happen. Instead be happy with grinds, and CGs, and FD god modding the game in the background to suit their favorites.
ED really could be so much more and the only thing holding it back is Frontier.
To be honest I think DB is living in his own "bubble". He has the roadmap, sees the goalposts etc. It can be seen from the interviews where he talks about cool things which do nothing for gameplay yet. Also he's a bit on the nerdy side of things, like elaborating on stellar forge that can simulate this and that. He probably knows how that can flesh out into something in the future, and is pretty happy with it. Too bad it may never happen.
And I agree, giving this game out to the players to "blaze their own trail" not "blaze their own trail the way Sammarco wants it", would give it a huge boost. But that's a lot of work currently not in the game.
I honestly never understood why so many people interpreted "avatars now means space legs soon", plenty of first person games around without any avatar/char creator, wishful thinking perhaps ?
Yeah I was saying the same thing, yet it is hard to penetrate "the carapace of disbelief" as someone brilliantly put it. Both Braben and Sammarco pointed it out a few times clearly, but people just clinged to hope that they're teasing. They weren't. It is hard for people to swallow which can even be seen in this thread.
I have a bit more down to earth view on things after seeing how Horizons panned out. Everything past planetary landing was a struggle (anyone remembers the initial delay?). 2.2 and 2.3 feel like cheap bolt-ons, commander creator was advertised so they had to deliver on that (UK laws against false advertising). Perhaps they planned FPS for "update 2" as was quoted here, but hit a wall... or something changed mid year. Seeing it from the side it pretty much looks like they want to be done with horizons with the smallest cost possible, easiest way possible etc. This may hint at different things, my personal favourite is that they have spread their dev force thin between their products, with E: D receiving the stick. It is not going to get better with the third one in the works, unless they hire a ton of new people to take care of it. I stopped to care at this point. Its FDevs decision on where to take the game, I wish them no ill.
As hinted previously there are other games brewing. I've said this here a few times:
the flop of NMS has shown that there is an enormous demand for such a game, and the collective chorus of disappointment was a clear indication how badly people want something like this. Do you think that it went unnoticed by the bigger fishes in the pond? I don't. The publishers know that fairly well and I think there are a lot of fine games brewing which we aren't even aware of yet. Sure, they're not Elite, but they will drive people away. And if FDev wants to make any more money from selling whatever business model they want to sell, they'd better start to deliver. Same goes for CIG and SC, though they have a pile of cash to burn still. But they're also no longer safe., because the market tranquility of having no contenders for space adventures is over.
There is also even more grim version painted by one of my PP budies. He thinks E: D is currently beyond saving, and FDev wants to let it die by fading support for it and having people naturally move away from it. This would give a way for FDev to fool us for our money again by starting "Frontier: Elite Dangerous 2" or even "Elite: Dangerous First Encounters" judging from the alien plot ;-) It would make sense, Elite had run its course, and the "content for years to come" (there was never an official "10y development plan") is for some reason not coming fast enough. And if you stall, you're getting left behind. At some point it may be more beneficial to cut your losses and move on.
Frontier being so tight-lipped about the future is not helping at all. We can only wait for promised 2.4 and 3.0 news after the end of the beta. I look forward to... Mass Effect. It will probably provide weeks of fun before there is some Elite announcement of a new cutscene being added in 2.4.
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