General / Off-Topic Farage lets rip at 'Eurofanatic' Sturgeon over referendum

[Genar-Hofoen]

"Having little influence on the goverment is fine if that system is very old."

What kind of logic is that? Or is it some kind of British sarcasm thats way over my head? Btw, how are the massive improvements to the UK coming along that were promised? Enjoying the huge investments in healthcare already? Escaping from the evil tyranny of europe must have turned the UK into a paradise by now. You know, with europe being that 'disastrous experiment' and all that.

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Yeah, a deep and irrational hatred of some strange and distant place where people make laws that effect your region. How unfamiliar that must be.

I enjoy your often scoffing remarks, sleutelbos. However, you're not as clever as you think you are

There is so much hyperbole in your remarks that it's difficult to know where to begin!

It might have escaped your notice, but the UK is still an EU member, and will be right up until the break-off point.

As for:

Escaping from the evil tyranny of europe

And:

Yeah, a deep and irrational hatred of some strange and distant place where people make laws that effect your region.

You do realise there is a distinction between Europe and the European Union, don't you? They are separate things. Also, you have apparently twisted my words. I said the European Union is a disastrous and failing experiment. Please do get your terms accurate if you want to be taken remotely seriously

 

[Boomer Kay]

I said the European Union is a disastrous and failing experiment.

The more interesting question is how you come to that conclusion, but I guess the answer is too obvious by now.
Someone campaigned with that idea and you swallowed it, bait, hook and sinker.

Farage, Trump, Putin, Erdogan, Le Pen, Wilders, Petry ... "'Nationalists' of this Planet unite ... everybody go HOOOOOO like a Thundercat"
lol

 

[Genar-Hofoen]

The more interesting question is how you come to that conclusion, but I guess the answer is too obvious by now.
Someone campaigned with that idea and you swallowed it, bait, hook and sinker.

Farage, Trump, Putin, Erdogan, Le Pen, Wilders, Petry ... "'Nationalists' of this Planet unite ... everybody go HOOOOOO like a Thundercat"
lol

Well see, that implies I am unable to form my own conclusions based on evidence I observe, which isn't even remotely true.

Also, I will not justify my opinions or conclusions to you or anyone else. They are what they are, and I am not going to spend hours typing up reams of text to do so. There isn't the time, and I'm off to earn money. Lahtahs o7

 

[Boomer Kay]

Well see, that implies I am unable to form my own conclusions based on evidence I observe, which isn't even remotely true.

Let's call it what it is.
Filtered and pre-digested evidence.

The moment delegations of those honorable "nationalist" people met in Koblenz to discuss "their country first". The Moment more than 3 of them turned up at the russian duma and talked to a certain "minister of foreign affairs" Mr. Slutski. The moment they colluded with Wikileaks and Assange to drive their political agenda (none of the material leaked by that Wiki is actually "new information" - it's more confirmation of what "we" already knew - the most astonishing feature is it's one sidedness .. of course everyone has dirt under their rug, why does someone bother to wave the tiny piles of dirty in your face, while the mountains of toxic waste the others have never show up?). The moment it became apparent that Brexit campaign was not a grassroots movement, but heaviely driven by financial interest and hedge funds.

That moment the red flags should have gone up.
That moment your cult-follower modes kicked in. "Don't question the supreme leader and his unwavering love for his/her people" ^^
[yesnod]

(and maybe it's just 'thanks' to being born in a communist dictatorship and having been scolded for my pictures not showing "the glory of our communist country and our loving leader" (the guy that was executed together with his wife in the grassroots revolution 10 years later) - before I left kindergarten, that I get uneasy when someone tells me to paint what I'm supposed to paint, not what I can see)

 

[FuzzySpider]

Also, I will not justify my opinions or conclusions to you or anyone else. They are what they are, and I am not going to spend hours typing up reams of text to do so. There isn't the time, and I'm off to earn money. Lahtahs o7

Then don't expect to betaken seriously. Debate is all about justifying ones opinions on something to other people. If you aren' looking to do that then you aren't looking for debate, you're looking to yell at people through a megaphone.

 

[Ian Skippy]

Then don't expect to betaken seriously. Debate is all about justifying ones opinions on something to other people. If you aren' looking to do that then you aren't looking for debate, you're looking to yell at people through a megaphone.

Its a common theme though. Wilders, Trump, you name them: they all share the "lets yell wild claims and then say we dont have to support them."

Its a testimo y to the gullibility of our species that it works. I guess politicians finally realised what makes religion works: if you promise the heavens you dont need such earthly matters as logic and facts.

"The tyranny of the European Union."

Ah well. I voted already in my elections. For a party that financially offers me nothing, as they want to spend my money on the environment, and healthcare and education for the poor. If the poor themselves rather go with the local "fight the tyrannical EU" guy with a track record of screwing the people over: their loss.

Indeed, they dont owe me an explanation. When they realise what they have done they will owe themselves an explanation, or rather an apology.

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I enjoy your often scoffing remarks, sleutelbos. However, you're not as clever as you think you are

There is so much hyperbole in your remarks that it's difficult to know where to begin!

It might have escaped your notice, but the UK is still an EU member, and will be right up until the break-off point.

As for:


And:


You do realise there is a distinction between Europe and the European Union, don't you? They are separate things. Also, you have apparently twisted my words. I said the European Union is a disastrous and failing experiment. Please do get your terms accurate if you want to be taken remotely seriously

I aim to entertain, as befits the forum jester. My scoffings merely keep the ruler's feet on theground.

 

[Sunleader]

I see Cosmo came back after his Holidays ^^
And Immediately went into full Propaganda Mode again xD

You cant keep Diplomatic Deals etc without Bureucrazy (pls observe how I cant even write this word properly lol) Its just not working if nobody keeps Record and People have proper predetermined ways to get things settled etc etc.
Its not working anywhere without it.
Even the Free Spirited and Chaotic USA got it xD



And well.
Main Difference between Scotland and the UK.

The UK. Breaks with its Main Trading Partner and Supporting Power.
The UK Abandons an Market thats the Second Biggest in the World believing that they as Sixth (soon Seventh) Biggest Market in the World can then become the Second Biggest Market somehow.
Meanwhile Scotland leaving the UK is a bit Different.
Its leaving the Sixth Biggest Market in order to Maintain Access to the Second Biggest one.
Sure Scotland wont go unscathed either.
But then again.

Unlike the UK which was an Independent Country from the Start. And which does not really gain Independence but merely loses the Scapegoat they Blamed for their Problems. (Well actually they will continue Blaming the EU anyways)
Scotland actually is an Colony and thus actually might gain Independence here ^^.


Its not that hard to understand this

 

[Genar-Hofoen]

Then don't expect to betaken seriously. Debate is all about justifying ones opinions on something to other people. If you aren' looking to do that then you aren't looking for debate, you're looking to yell at people through a megaphone.

Well see, I won't be taken seriously here anyway. It is inhabited by extreme left wing bias and an extreme view that the European Union is somehow a good thing.

The cultural marxist Kool-Aid has been well and truly drank here - and yes I fully expect that comment right there to be met with derision and bile, but it doesn't matter. I was going to say that I'll keep trying to burst the various fantasies I keep reading in the Off Topic subforum, but you know what? I've had my second cup of coffee this morning and realised that I'm getting embroiled in this hellhole subforum again for no good or healthy reason other than shaking my head at the continuous cognitive dissonance I observe here which triggers my OCD desire to point it out - something which I usually keep under control these days - and that I have much, much more important and enjoyable things to do in my life than trying to be the lone voice in the marxist echo chamber that is here

This will be my last post in OffTopic. May as well make it an epic one. Unsubscribing from this and more topics - nay, the whole frackin' subforum! - and I will leave you all to your awesome dreams of utopia

Sayonara! o7

 

[Ian Skippy]

Well see, I won't be taken seriously here anyway. It is inhabited by extreme left wing bias and an extreme view that the European Union is somehow a good thing.

The cultural marxist Kool-Aid has been well and truly drank here - and yes I fully expect that comment right there to be met with derision and bile, but it doesn't matter. I was going to say that I'll keep trying to burst the various fantasies I keep reading in the Off Topic subforum, but you know what? I've had my second cup of coffee this morning and realised that I'm getting embroiled in this hellhole subforum again for no good or healthy reason other than shaking my head at the continuous cognitive dissonance I observe here which triggers my OCD desire to point it out - something which I usually keep under control these days - and that I have much, much more important and enjoyable things to do in my life than trying to be the lone voice in the marxist echo chamber that is here

This will be my last post in OffTopic. May as well make it an epic one. Unsubscribing from this and more topics - nay, the whole frackin' subforum! - and I will leave you all to your awesome dreams of utopia

Sayonara! o7

Lol. "Cultural marxist", "extreme left wing", "kool-aid". Almost got nationalist-buzzword-bingo there!

"If people dont agree with me I'll call names and run away!"

 

[Boomer Kay]

"extreme left wing"

He still doesn't get it, does he?

German Nationalism:

Good old chap, still revered in the extreme right wing nationalist circles over here.

It's always the others and mostly ze germans. "you're the rodler, no, you're the rodler"...

-sigh-

 

[Miklos Atreides]

Ok, I am no Scot, nevertheless I support Mrs Sturgeon to see the better opportunities
in leaving Britain in favor of the EU.

This perception that everything will be better when being alone without all the overhead of EU
is something like a Fatamorgana. Once you will be nearer the nice view will vanish.

Mrs. Sturgeon is aware of that and trying to rescue what is left to rescue.

The blamed United states of Europe is the thing we should strive for.
It will not give us the big benefits today because this is a long term evolutional thing, but
if you want to reach the stars I am sure you will get nowhere until you change your mind
from thinking national to global thinking.

Remember you are a foreigner, almost everywhere.

Regards,
Miklos

 

[StiTch]

*sigh*....the whole lot of them are children.

When people are content that crap-flinging is acceptable politics then I know why we have such douches making the rules.

Sure, Sturgeon is a muppet and if I remember correctly, England is so concerned about Scottish independence that during the Scottish referendum on the subject half the chaps over here were asking when we'd get a referendum to kick them out.

Doesn't excuse that Farage is a walking, talking joke. And extends nothing beyond that. At least Sturgeon is a politician - he may as well be snide if poor entertainment.

Maybe any Brexit would have been reasonable if more than perhaps one or two politicians involved were interested in, you know, the politics.

 

[Becks]

Well see, I won't be taken seriously here anyway. It is inhabited by extreme left wing bias and an extreme view that the European Union is somehow a good thing.

I'm more center-right, but who cares.

We're all leftists from a far right perspective anyways.

 

[The Kerbinator]

I can tell you right now that there is no appetite for another referendum here in Scotland. The SNP speak for one people - the SNP and its supporters.

I am not an SNP supporter, I tend to vote Green, and I want the referendum, so you can't say there is no appetite, except for within your own circle of friends. Scotland's referendum will represent a ratification of the terms of Brexit, something I suspect the English amd Welsh may find they want as well.

 

[Miklos Atreides]

Well see, I won't be taken seriously here anyway. It is inhabited by extreme left wing bias and an extreme view that the European Union is somehow a good thing.

The cultural marxist Kool-Aid has been well and truly drank here - and yes I fully expect that comment right there to be met with derision and bile, but it doesn't matter. I was going to say that I'll keep trying to burst the various fantasies I keep reading in the Off Topic subforum, but you know what? I've had my second cup of coffee this morning and realised that I'm getting embroiled in this hellhole subforum again for no good or healthy reason other than shaking my head at the continuous cognitive dissonance I observe here which triggers my OCD desire to point it out - something which I usually keep under control these days - and that I have much, much more important and enjoyable things to do in my life than trying to be the lone voice in the marxist echo chamber that is here

This will be my last post in OffTopic. May as well make it an epic one. Unsubscribing from this and more topics - nay, the whole frackin' subforum! - and I will leave you all to your awesome dreams of utopia

Sayonara! o7

Seems to be like always:
If your argumentation is over, start accusing. This is something extremists like to do. Regardless of positioning. left, right, up, down, muslim, juew, christ,..... continue the list to your likings.
So your one finger points to others, but three are pointing back to you.

Regards,
Miklos

 

[Sunleader]

Well see, I won't be taken seriously here anyway. It is inhabited by extreme left wing bias and an extreme view that the European Union is somehow a good thing.

The cultural marxist Kool-Aid has been well and truly drank here - and yes I fully expect that comment right there to be met with derision and bile, but it doesn't matter. I was going to say that I'll keep trying to burst the various fantasies I keep reading in the Off Topic subforum, but you know what? I've had my second cup of coffee this morning and realised that I'm getting embroiled in this hellhole subforum again for no good or healthy reason other than shaking my head at the continuous cognitive dissonance I observe here which triggers my OCD desire to point it out - something which I usually keep under control these days - and that I have much, much more important and enjoyable things to do in my life than trying to be the lone voice in the marxist echo chamber that is here

This will be my last post in OffTopic. May as well make it an epic one. Unsubscribing from this and more topics - nay, the whole frackin' subforum! - and I will leave you all to your awesome dreams of utopia

Sayonara! o7

Actually.
The one Left Guy we usually got in these Discussions. Is not here currently. ^^
The few I know in this Topic. Are Center or Center Right like me


As for you not being taken seriously.
Well no Offense Mate.
But see.
If you wish to Voice your Opinion thats your Right. You can do that.
But if you wish to Convince others of that Opinion or Claim it to be Worth something. Then you have to Reason it. Explain why and how you came to it. And why this should be the Right Opinion.
If you dont do that. Then well. Its your Opinion. Whats in your Head is not all that Interesting to us. And we wont be considering it worth anything if you yourself apparently dont even consider it worth the effort of reasoning or explaining it.



Greetz

 

[Lianachan]

I am not an SNP supporter, I tend to vote Green, and I want the referendum, so you can't say there is no appetite, except for within your own circle of friends. Scotland's referendum will represent a ratification of the terms of Brexit, something I suspect the English amd Welsh may find they want as well.

It's just a lazy conflation of independence and the SNP, a common tactic of the Britnats, and one that doesn't fool anybody who knows anything at all about it.

 

[FuzzySpider]

Well see, I won't be taken seriously here anyway. It is inhabited by extreme left wing bias and an extreme view that the European Union is somehow a good thing.

The cultural marxist Kool-Aid has been well and truly drank here - and yes I fully expect that comment right there to be met with derision and bile, but it doesn't matter.

Hmmm...

We must get this right. Too often in the past Britain has missed opportunities.

How we meet the challenge of the Single Market will be a major factor, possibly the major factor, in our competitive position in European and world markets into the twenty-first century. Getting it right needs a partnership between government and business.

The task of government is two-fold: —to negotiate in Brussels so as to get the possible results for Britain; —and then to make you the business community aware of the opportunities, so that you can make the most of them.

It's your job, the job of business, to gear yourselves up to take the opportunities which a single market of nearly 320 million people will offer.

Just think for a moment what a prospect that is. A single market without barriers—visible or invisible—giving you direct and unhindered access to the purchasing power of over 300 million of the world's wealthiest and most prosperous people.

Bigger than Japan. Bigger than the United States. On your doorstep. And with the Channel Tunnel to give you direct access to it.

It's not a dream. It's not a vision. It's not some bureaucrat's plan. It's for real. And it's only five years away.

You might say: weren't we supposed to have a common market already? Wasn't that the reason we joined Europe in the first place? Weren't we promised all this in 1973?

It's a fair question to ask. And the truthful answer is: Europe wasn't open for business. Underneath the rhetoric, the old barriers remained. Not just against the outside world, but between the European countries.

Not the classic barriers of tariffs, but the insiduous ones of differing national standards, various restrictions on the provision of services, exclusion of foreign firms from public contracts.

Now that's going to change. Britain has given the lead. There was a tendency in Europe to talk in lofty tones of European Union.

That may be good for the soul. But the body—Europe's firms and organisations and the people who work in them—needs something more nourishing.

We recognised that if Europe was going to be more than a slogan then we must get the basics right. That meant action.

Action to get rid of the barriers. Action to make it possible for insurance companies to do business throughout the Community. Action to let people practice their trades and professions freely throughout the Community. Action to remove the customs barriers and formalities so that goods can circulate freely and without time-consuming delays. Action to make sure that any company could sell its goods and services without let or hindrance. Action to secure free movement of capital throughout the Community.

All this is what Europe is now committed to do. In 1985 the Community's Heads of Government gave a pledge to complete the single market by 1992. To make sure that it was not just a pious hope, they made that pledge part of the Treaty, as the Single European Act.

So it's going to happen. Indeed the barriers are already coming down. Monsieur Delors, the President of the Commission, and our own Commissioner Arthur Cockfield, deserve a lot of credit for the way in which they are keeping up the momentum.

This is a speech by that extreme leftist cultural Marxist hang-wringing liberal soft touch Margaret Thatcher.

I am moved to ask at this point - where are you getting your knowledge of these affairs? You seem to be misinformed on a truly gigantic scale to the point where nothing you say or believe on this matter resembles reality in any way.

 

[FuzzySpider]

I'm more center-right, but who cares.

We're all leftists from a far right perspective anyways.

See above. Thatcher is apparently now a left-wing icon.

Seems to be like always:
If your argumentation is over, start accusing. This is something extremists like to do. Regardless of positioning. left, right, up, down, muslim, juew, christ,..... continue the list to your likings.
So your one finger points to others, but three are pointing back to you.

Regards,
Miklos

"What do you despise? By this are you truly known."

He apparently despises facts.

You'll get where that quote is from I am sure.

 

[Miklos Atreides]

I agree, by running extreme positions and polemic words you can become well known.
Not necessarily popular, but everybody knows your name.

For elections it might help, but I will keep up my warning voice and recommend not to turst
this type of people; not only for elections. Check their comments for evidence and truth.

Regards,
Miklos