Grind-Blindness: The Characteristic Elite: Dangerous Disease

verminstar

Banned
So by spreading the grind out over a couple of months it no longer becomes a grind? You are still going to have to watch the same number of loading screens, scoop the same amount of fuel and honk, honk, honk away in total isolation.

Of course this can be interspersed with scanning beige planets and driving around featurless terrain in the glass SRV, but that too becomes very dull very quickly.

I have a thing fer huge canyons and a 23ly keelback fer exploring the core...ever tried taking a long range ship into the core? Try and ye will see what I mean. Long range actually causes more issues than anything else. Im also a lone wolf player...perfectly happy with my own company.

Subjectively, its grind to you...to me, its exploration. Its also in the bubble...the one place I dont wanna be. Make it possible to get the commodities outside that hateful miserable place, and Im good to go. Seriously, seems to be more a problem fer you guys than it is fer me...Im not even remotely bothered and Ive spent enough time to know I simply dont need them ^

Same thing with grinding out credits...why would I need that as an explorer whose fleet consists of d rated aspx and a d rated keelback? I have no desire to get ships I dont know how to use, so why bother? My needs are simple enough so all the good things are things Ill enjoy when the time is right and I earn creds much slower than any other career. Theres nowehere to spend them out here anyway and jacques has nothing of any value anyway. I only went back to the bubble to build up an exploration kb and get fighters which I cant get anywhere else ^
 
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I think that for some players it is easy to get stuck in a grind mentality and to justify their boredom claim everyone must be feeling the grind...
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Quite.

I feel some people console themselves with the feeling if they aren't enjoying the game, that nobody else can be either. It seems related to conspiracy theory thinking: Ego self massage via the belief that the person is 'special' and superior because they can see the 'truth' while the masses are blind sheeple.

Unfortunately, they're wrong: People are not all the same and many people have fantastic fun performing what others consider grind. I have a GREAT time playing this game.
 
OP, I'm afraid you've misdiagnosed.
Grind blindness is a issue suffered by people unable to see the grind in the game.
Due to some rather bizarre condition where the patient is unable to accept certain issues with a computer game they convince themselves that the shallow repetitive tasks that are the game play loops of said computer game aren't in fact shallow repetitive tasks but interesting, varied tasks and people pointing out the shallow repetitive tasks are in fact in the wrong for not finding the shallow repetitive tasks interesting.
It is believed that the suffers of such condition have for some reason tied their identity to that of the computer game and any criticism against said computer game they suffer themselves causing them to lash out and attempt to deflect the criticism using any means necessary.
Unfortunately there is no know cure for such a condition other that getting out more, interacting with normal human beings and playing some other computer games.
 
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So if you are an achievement orientated progression gamer you suffer from "grind blindness"

one could also say, if you don't strive to have the best and be the best you are apathetic?

same way as some people go on holiday to have fun and relax, others tend to do nothing but take pictures of everything... while others have to go do and see everything and get souvenirs... not saying that either of them are enjoying their holiday incorrectly.

PS: that's why in don't go on holiday trips, because I will end up sitting on my doing nothing when I could do it at home doing the same and save alot of cash :D
 
I'd love to know how to get to Colonia without it being a grind.

The best way I've found to combat the inherent tedium that is a lot of ED's content is to play other games, while the ED launcher sits gathering dust on my desktop.

I'm on my way to Colonia and for me it's not really a grind. I'm in no hurry and have no goal in mind so I have plenty of time to explore along the way.

The trick for me with game play loops is for me to mentally immerse myself in the game.

It's escapism. It's the closest I'm going to get to space so I'm just going to enjoy the journey and not worry about game goals.
 

verminstar

Banned
I'm on my way to Colonia and for me it's not really a grind. I'm in no hurry and have no goal in mind so I have plenty of time to explore along the way.

The trick for me with game play loops is for me to mentally immerse myself in the game.

It's escapism. It's the closest I'm going to get to space so I'm just going to enjoy the journey and not worry about game goals.

Ye know whats funny? Few weeks ago all those threads about how boring the distance was to colonia...I was entering month number 4 on my journey to it. What was supposed to be a one week 22kly trip turned into a 4 month 51kly journey...I got distracted ^
 
What is this grinding people speak of?

I don't play regularly but when I do I log in shoot something, deliver something or mine something.

Is that grinding?
 
OP, I'm afraid you've misdiagnosed.
Grind blindness is a issue suffered by people unable to see the grind in the game.
Due to some rather bizarre condition where the patient is unable to accept certain issues with a computer game they convince themselves that the shallow repetitive tasks that are the game play loops of said computer game aren't in fact shallow repetitive tasks but interesting, varied tasks and people pointing out the shallow repetitive tasks are in fact in the wrong for not finding the shallow repetitive tasks interesting.
It is believed that the suffers of such condition have for some reason tied their identity to that of the computer game and any criticism against said computer game they suffer themselves causing them to lash out and attempt to deflect the criticism using any means necessary.
Unfortunately there is no know cure for such a condition other that getting out more, interacting with normal human beings and playing some other computer games.

No, no. That's Hutton Syndrome. See above. :D
 
It's not what they do, it's the way that they do it.

Trading is and always will be a repetitive chore, but it doesnt have to be as shallow as it is.
 
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Last night, after a couple deliveries to Prisim, I just parked up outside of the station let the Cutter spin in FAoff and just leaned back while listening to the comms chatter, traffic and occasional security "action". Took a few pictures, swapped to my big screen and just took in all the awesomeness that is being a spaceship captain :)
 
I have a thing fer huge canyons and a 23ly keelback fer exploring the core...ever tried taking a long range ship into the core? Try and ye will see what I mean. Long range actually causes more issues than anything else. Im also a lone wolf player...perfectly happy with my own company.

Subjectively, its grind to you...to me, its exploration. Its also in the bubble...the one place I dont wanna be. Make it possible to get the commodities outside that hateful miserable place, and Im good to go. Seriously, seems to be more a problem fer you guys than it is fer me...Im not even remotely bothered and Ive spent enough time to know I simply dont need them ^

Same thing with grinding out credits...why would I need that as an explorer whose fleet consists of d rated aspx and a d rated keelback? I have no desire to get ships I dont know how to use, so why bother? My needs are simple enough so all the good things are things Ill enjoy when the time is right and I earn creds much slower than any other career. Theres nowehere to spend them out here anyway and jacques has nothing of any value anyway. I only went back to the bubble to build up an exploration kb and get fighters which I cant get anywhere else ^

Yes, Ive taken the trip to Sag A thanks. That was a while back when there was no neutron star super jump facility, and route plotting in the core could take 20 minutes to calculate. on the way I spent time scanning planets and looking at the nice views. Of course you still have to jump, scoop honk in every system for 20k LY - there is no getting away from that. However it really didnt take long for that to get boring. Sag A itself was one of the biggest disappointments in the game for me; a poorly rendered lens distortion effect at best.

And it was only after that that it really sunk in that I'd have to do it all again to get home, unless I just wanted to wipe my save. I'd seen all the lifeless rocks I could handle and there is a limit to the number of times you can oooh and ahhh at a binary star system.

So yes that was a grind that I didn't enjoy, but it had to be done otherwise it would have been back to a Sidewinder and 1000cr for me with years of gameplay lost.
 

verminstar

Banned
Yes, Ive taken the trip to Sag A thanks. That was a while back when there was no neutron star super jump facility, and route plotting in the core could take 20 minutes to calculate. on the way I spent time scanning planets and looking at the nice views. Of course you still have to jump, scoop honk in every system for 20k LY - there is no getting away from that. However it really didnt take long for that to get boring. Sag A itself was one of the biggest disappointments in the game for me; a poorly rendered lens distortion effect at best.

And it was only after that that it really sunk in that I'd have to do it all again to get home, unless I just wanted to wipe my save. I'd seen all the lifeless rocks I could handle and there is a limit to the number of times you can oooh and ahhh at a binary star system.

So yes that was a grind that I didn't enjoy, but it had to be done otherwise it would have been back to a Sidewinder and 1000cr for me with years of gameplay lost.

Did ye have engineer mods? Im guessing no considering rngeers arent yet a whole year old, but ye still did it and obviously enjoyed it. Well, Im at that point where you were at and Im enjoying it...I might imagine to be a grind 6 months or a year down the line, but right now, I dont see it as a grind...I see it as me choosing my own path and walking it.

All about perspective. I avoid the bubble therefore farming rngeer mats becomes even more tedious. None of my ships are armed...Ive never used a wake scanner, wouldnt even know where to start or what to look for or where, and I cant be bothered sifting through reams of salt to try and find out.

As fer wiping the save...I play ironman mode so have wiped 6 times, although I did break my cardinal rule last week and used a suicide winder exploit at jacques to get back to the bubble quicker. Now 5klys into the return journey and no regrets about turning my back on x amount months grinding. All Im interested in now is getting as far away ganktown as its possible to get.

So you did it and now yer bored with it...jaded perhaps as most long timers get in time. Im not where you are...Im enjoying the game and choosing my own journey. Im not seeing the issue as to why I absolutely must have engineers...why must I have them?
 
Cool beans m8...I spent half a day unlocking just one and found I had to farm some material fer just one modification. Spent the other half of the day trying to find said material and failed. Started on the road back to colonia that night...aint looking back at what might have been.

I dont gamble in real life...I take my car to have the engine remapped, then I know the exact specifications before the job is even started, and if the results are not exactly as promised, Ill have my money back. Seems precision engineering took an evolutionary step backwards when we started flying spaceships, and they rely on random luck in the future?

I can live without them, too much hassle and non guaranteed results means I have no hesitation in ignoring them entirely. Also...I hate playing this game in the bubble...being there fer any amount of time makes me wanna play something else. Stick some engineers in colonia with the ability to gather the materials there and Im as happy as a pig in the brown stuff ^

That's the issue, I think it took me 4 weeks to unlock one. It's not what my main goal was. I saw what was needed and did my own thing and kept an eye out for what I needed.

Getting the landmines for one, I enjoyed. I noticed I also needed to deal with one other black market to open another. So got a load of landmines, got back to a station in the system, requested a ship transfer for the ship I wanted to upgrade, delivered the landmines, and looked up another black market went there sold my spare landmines, went back to the station and went back to the engineer with my transfered ship.

I enjoyed that.

And when it comes to the engineers, well you are not really gambling, as you are virtually guaranteed an upgrade. It's not like you can actually lose anything apart from time.

If you do the engineers with a bit of intelligence, you will always apply a better results then the one you last put on as none of the results are mandatory. If you don't like them, don't install it. The only cost is a bit of time.

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I hardly ever go looking for materials. I get them in my day to day gameplay. See what I can get with what I have and use them.
 
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verminstar

Banned
That's the issue, I think it took me 4 weeks to unlock one. It's not what my main goal was. I saw what was needed and did my own thing and kept an eye out for what I needed.

Getting the landmines for one, I enjoyed. I noticed I also needed to deal with one other black market to open another. So got a load of landmines, got back to a station in the system, requested a ship transfer for the ship I wanted to upgrade, delivered the landmines, and looked up another black market went there sold my spare landmines, went back to the station and went back to the engineer with my transfered ship.

I enjoyed that.

And when it comes to the engineers, well you are not really gambling, as you are virtually guaranteed an upgrade. It's not like you can actually lose anything apart from time.

If you do the engineers with a bit of intelligence, you will always apply a better results then the one you last put on as none of the results are mandatory. If you don't like them, don't install it. The only cost is a bit of time.

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I hardly ever go looking for materials. I get them in my day to day gameplay. See what I can get with what I have and use them.

And that works fer you m8...I have different reasons and motivations when playing the game. I came to this game to do one thing and one thing only...I did try enough of the bgs to know I just didnt buy into it, but had to use it as a means to an end, that end being enough to fund my desire to literally live in the black, almost entirely self sufficient fer long periods of time.

That is why I love this game. Certainly, new shiny stuff is nice and long term, I still want a python simply fer the looks and no other reason other than its bigger than the asp. Ive never owned anything else bigger because the asp does what I require with only powerplant and hull hp being two things that force me back...along with losing the srv and the sudden desire to fly the SLF...never owned one before and looked like fun watching a guy canyon racing in colonia.

The whole playing and existing in the bubble, working on credits or engineers or whatever simply does not appeal to me. If I want pvp, then I play other games fer that itch...if I wanna grind, Ill grind with the best of them...I got shedloads of free time when Im motivated enough. If I want a shooter, Ill play gears 4...goin there after I finish this post in fact.

Point being, the whole game played inside the bubble doesnt interest me in the slightest...it doesnt move me or appeal to me, and I really do see it as nothing more than a mad max in space sandbox with less consequences fer misbehaving than GTA5 had. And if I wanna troll ppl, I go play that cos Im actually quite good at that one...hard to believe I know. I came here to see the milky way...so thats the game I play...evereything else is just meaningless fluff that is more endured, rather than enjoyed ^
 
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