Which is it mate?
Cosmetics: Why they need a change
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Which is it mate?
I linked to one of those polls in the OP.
"Should there be cosmetics that can only be purchased out of game for real money?"
The option that won: "Yes! Some cosmetics can be "purchase only" "
Do you honestly think that when people voted for that option, they knew FDev would put 99% of them in the store?
You have the game you paid for. Where did it ever say ytou would have vanity items foir free? What you and OP are asking frontier to do will result in them having to reimburse thousands of pounds to people who have already purchased these things, or worse make them loose people who have prooven to be loyal customers to placate people who don't want to buy their products. Not very smart for buisness.
WOW charges for expansions, subscription and vanity items. Thankfully frontier havn't gone down that route. While people are willing to pay for the vanity items frontier will charge for them, and no amount of writing in caps is going to change that.
Jesus Christ you really like that word. I didn't say anything about reimbursing. You know they can make more skins, right?
I doubt many people were thinking of what percentage should and would be purchase only.
Frankly Frontier were hardly gonna hamstring themselves to a set target of what is and isnt purchase only.
With you up to here, then...
This is where you're going wrong. You are creating your own definition of what constitutes the product for which you paid, then suggesting you have been ripped off in some way because the product does not actually contain some aspect of your imaginary inventory.
Your statement that 'cosmetics are part of a full price game' is demonstrably untrue because they're not part of this one. I paid full price for it by the way but guess what? I did't pay for any cosmetics because none were included with the purchased product. The fact you may wish they were, or feel that they should have been doesn't actually equate to you being entitled to receive them.
inb4 someone calls me a shill again because I actually understand what I'm buying.
inb4 I don't give a frak again.
Blackcompany
Banned
Technically, you're right. My feeling that the cosmetics should be included, does not mean they will or ought to be.
On the other hand, my being fed up with FDev endlessly milking their fans for every red cent while refusing to add depth or engaging game play, DOES mean they won't see another purchase or any further support from me until they change their ways.
I'm voting against this design direction. I'm doing it with my wallet. And I'm not alone. That's something FDev should take note of.
Of course, once PS4 sales inevitably disappoint, things will have to change. I look for free to play to happen soon.
"I've said this before on here - some of you could do with having a look at games that really are designed to milk money from their players. You'd soon see the very significant differences between them and this game."
You're suggesting comparing "money milking" games to ED. I'm asking for a relevant comparison.
I think the OPs primary gripe here isn't that there should be free content, but rather the cosmetic content provided is of such basic quality that asking for any money at all is a little insulting when you think that basic color swaps or built into just about another other game with customization options. I love the frontier store. Ive spent maybe 25 USD on cosmetics, but I agree that there needs to be more effort from the art department. I feel like I got my money's worth for my asp pharoah skin. Not so much for my plain white corvette skin.
My main problem with it isn't the questionable quality (which is a problem as well). My gripe is that having all the cosmetics in the store robs the game of content that could be fun and rewarding. I wouldn't have any problem with the store if they implemented unlockable cosmetics or the sort. Hell, make it a part of 2.4, I'd be happy with that.
For me the store for ship skins, weapon colors, ship kits, decals, and bobble-heads. also real life stuff. like shirts and cups etc.. Is just a big tip jar that you get something back in return. I bought my share of things I like. even after I spent over 300$ for the pre-beta and life time pass and I'll probably spend some more. If the rusty ship spikes, plates, and tanks are a thing as a ship kit from the PAX trailer.
You did not read the post.
I just don't see the issue really, if you want something buy it if you don't, don't. Nothing on the store is required. It just seems like now that there is more AVAILABLE people are complaining where as before they were not, and yet nothing fundamental in the game has changed...Paying to have your name on the side of the ship, why is that a big deal? We've been flying without our names on our ships for years and no ones complained, but now that its an OPTION and you WANT it, people complain it should be free, or at least, some should..
AFAIC, as long as the development of the game is not hindered for the development of the online market i do not care how much they put on their or for how much, its entirely optional and value is entirely up to the interpretation of the individual.
Think about how much you paid for horizons, then think about how many updates there are for it...By the end of the Horizons expansion think about how much of the game has changed, how different it is, what is in it now that wasn't before...Then decide if you think you have your moneys worth without getting a bunch of ship names and paint jobs also thrown in. Some people may disagree because the updates haven't gone the way they wanted but if you look at the development strictly from an unbiased "whats been added" point of view, i doubt you'd get the same level of development from another game for the price you paid.
AFAIC, as long as the development of the game is not hindered for the development of the online market i do not care how much they put on their or for how much, its entirely optional and value is entirely up to the interpretation of the individual.
Think about how much you paid for horizons, then think about how many updates there are for it...By the end of the Horizons expansion think about how much of the game has changed, how different it is, what is in it now that wasn't before...Then decide if you think you have your moneys worth without getting a bunch of ship names and paint jobs also thrown in. Some people may disagree because the updates haven't gone the way they wanted but if you look at the development strictly from an unbiased "whats been added" point of view, i doubt you'd get the same level of development from another game for the price you paid.
...and I'm trying (seemingly with some difficulty) to enlighten you as to the fact that comparisons are irrelevant, other than the comparison that you make as an individual consumer between the feature set defined for this game and the purchase price of it.
That is the only relevant issue in terms of discussing cosmetic content in this game and what it costs. It doesn't matter if some other game provides something that this one doesn't or vice versa. It's utterly irrelevant. You can feel that this game should offer more because another game does if you want, that's fine. Free country and all that. Then after you've done that, you can buy it or not buy it depending on what your feels tell you.
You seem to have interpreted my earlier comment as trying to draw a comparison which I wasn't in fact trying to draw. I merely said that there are games out there which are designed to separate people from their money in highly efficient ways and that this wasn't one of them. Perhaps you should just stop trying to shoehorn that very simple and unequivocal comment into the context of your own point.
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Unlockables eh? So you want to grind for cosmetics? Make a poll about that please, I'm off to change my pants in preparation.
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Milking people by offering something the might like and not forcing them into buying it?
Damn capitalists.
I guess Frontier will have to revise down their 2nd quarter earnings now that the Economist Blackcompany has spoken.
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Unlockables eh? So you want to grind for cosmetics? Make a poll about that please, I'm off to change my pants in preparation.
"I grinded for 16 hours and all I got was a white adder paint!!!!!"
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Exactly. We're only asking for a basic color pack to get people started off. I don't think ALL cosmetics should be in the store.
I do think they could rearrange them better and be by color instead of ship or something else. I personally would be more willing to buy a color if it unlocked for all ships, but that's another topic entirely.
Minonian
Banned
Talking about Cosmetics? How about peralescent paintjobs and in the more metallic hue from the same thing. Iridium coating? Gold, silver, chrome, iridium, bronze, copper. Platinum? More shinier cleaner silver.
Right after FD make some adjustment's in how the color palette handled! Because now, the tactical cobalt looks like a purplish blue in game.
About iridium? It can take many hue this is one of it.
Right after FD make some adjustment's in how the color palette handled! Because now, the tactical cobalt looks like a purplish blue in game.
About iridium? It can take many hue this is one of it.
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Unlockables eh? So you want to grind for cosmetics? Make a poll about that please, I'm off to change my pants in preparation.
I see... So you think that everything in ED is a grind, and everything they'll add to the game in the future will inevitable be a grind... Why are you here?
That'd look pretty cool indeed
"I suggested that people look at X to see the differences between X and Y, but I didn't say compare them (because then my point is invalidated)" hyuk hyuk [up]
Obviously different games have different monitization models and these are factored into the development plans. The problem with ED is its using both the traditional "full price" sales model and then effectively double dipping by locking the majority of certain content behind a F2P-like storefront. Sure at the moment its only cosmetics, but there have already been numerous examples in this thread of how even that is limiting potential gameplay opportunities.
I agree that "if you don't like it then don't buy it" is a valid opinion and approach to take. But it is also possible to like the game, want to support the its development and still voice discontent when you don't agree with the direction the game is headed.