THE FORMIDINE RIFT MYSTERY (Part 4)

[Masheikh Scytale]

I don't know but ... all eyes on Sol come March 20th. It will be the anniversary of Kahina's visit. I'm thinking of submitting something to Galnet ... maybe a student protest in Cambridge against the Imperial justice system that convicted her on circumstantial evidence.

Cool !

Students protests usually mean sex and drugs day (and night) !
I wish I could be there like in the good ol' times...

Took a look at Stellarium. At noon the day the Witch visited Cambridge was ideal for observing our old friends Cepheus, Camelopardalis and Co ...and obviously Cassiopea. All of them right above our heads.

The Sun was in Aquarius.

 

[[Diplomacy] Carnegie]

Cool !

Students protests usually mean sex and drugs day (and night) !
I wish I could be there like in the good ol' times...

Took a look at Stellarium. At noon the day the Witch visited Cambridge was ideal for observing our old friends Cepheus, Camelopardalis and Co ...and obviously Cassiopea. All of them right above our heads.

The Sun was in Aquarius.

If you have a spaceship, the perfect place for observing stars is NOT the surface of a planet with an atmosphere.
Also, if you have a spaceship, you don't have to wait for a planet to arrive at equinox, since you can just fly your spaceship to where the planet WILL be.

 

[Masheikh Scytale]

If you have a spaceship, the perfect place for observing stars is NOT the surface of a planet with an atmosphere.
Also, if you have a spaceship, you don't have to wait for a planet to arrive at equinox, since you can just fly your spaceship to where the planet WILL be.

You are obviously right.
Unless what you are observing are not the actual stars ( I wrote about constellations) but the patterns they form in the sky seen from a precise point of view at a precise time in the year.
Not even needed to go there...just use Stellarium

But is it a coincidence the Witch came to Cambridge this precise day ? Equinox is only related with Earth axis versus the Sun. It even has nothing to do with te galactical geometry...(but one time in 10 000 years as told by the Mayan calendar ...)

 

[[Diplomacy] Carnegie]

But is it a coincidence the Witch came to Cambridge this precise day ?

Yep. I reckon so

The alternative - that she needed to be in a certain place at a certain time in order to observe something based on pictures drawn in the sky by a bunch of astronomers 1,5000 years previously, mostly based on pictures drawn by a bunch of astrologers 2,000 years before that - is all a bit too mystical for me.

However, all the mythological symbolism is a construct laid over the Rift mystery by human agents - so it's not unreasonable to believe that THEY required Kahina to perform certain 'initiation rituals' in order to be accepted into the group. I think the Gerasian Liquor she received on Earth was their way of saying 'You're in'.

 

[Jorki Rasalas]

A thought about Kahina's visit to Sol in 3301.

We are about to hit the anniversary of Kahina's visit to Cambridge on the Spring Solstice of March 20, 3301.

Please don your tinfoil hats at this time. Fasten your safety belts and put your trays in the upright position.

At noon GMT on the Spring Solstice the sun will be directly over the equator in the same timezone as Cambridge UK, right? Go visit Earth in-game and tell me where the sun is at noon GMT. It ain't over Cambridge. It ain't even over the Eastern hemisphere.

Ricardo Bentonio was right. Remember his one-day only Community Goal to figure out what happened to 3302's extra leap-day?

Notorious conspiracy theorist Ricardo Bentonio has issued an appeal for cartographic data with which to substantiate an extraordinary claim. According to a recent press statement, Bentonio has unearthed ancient records that prove the 29th of February 3302, which appears on all galactic calendars, should not exist. He has convinced Kruger 60 Free to fund the one-day appeal, believing that the cartographic data will prove him correct.

If you pull up a Calendar for the year 3302 there is no February 29th because 3302 shouldn't be a leap-year but it was in the universe of Elite: Dangerous. Not only that but all of time is out of sync with the Earth's rotation. Could the fact that everything is out of sync be some kind of clue? If we pulled up an orrerry view of the Elite: Dangerous Sol System and sync'd it to an actual orrerry of the solar system ... what year would it be based on the position of the planets?

This keeps cropping up, but I'm not at all convinced about the alleged astronomical aspects of Kahina's visit (9th Feb 3301 "on a diplomatic mission at the behest of Chancellor Blaine ") to Cambridge. As far as I can see (from Heinrich's galnet archive http://ed.frank-heinrich.net/index.php?title=Galnet_Collection_Senator_Kahina) the only tie of Kahina to Cambridge is that she landed on Earth 27th March 3301 "where she was greeted by enthusiastically cheering crowds on arrival at the historic Cambridge spaceport before being taken to London to be met by Ambassador Waite".

There are some gaps in the dates of the galnet entries about her visit to Sol, and one could speculate about what was going on during that time, but I'm not convinced by any alleged astronomical research. As others have point outed out in the last pages astronomy is better done from a satellite or spaceship above the atmosphere & wherever the celestial orbital dynamics require.

I do however think she was doing some other kind of research during her "diplomatic visit". She visited Mars High, where the alien relic is supposed to be. She visited the outer gas giants (17th March report) -whatever for? She must have seen hundreds/thousands of gas giants, so the entry on that is to me very suggestive. On 02 April she said she found her visit "Most enlightening”

 

[clavain]

So, I've been out of the loop for some time, and only now slowly making my way back from yet another Rift trip that started months ago so as to hopefully be back in the area of the new asteroid base in time for 2.3 launch. In any case, long story short, coming back this time I noticed something I have not noticed before on previous trips, and do not recall having seen come up on this thread before (although it might have while I have as I have been away for some time and have not been following the thread or the forums or any of the super-secret various group discord/web forums stuff). It looks to me like Heart and Soul are little mirror images of the Greater and Lesser Magellanic Clouds. Might just be the space madness setting in. I don't have a screenshot that does it justice as I have been flying in VR and haven't mastered getting the viewing angles right for screenshots, but they look very similar. Right, back to drinking the last of my Lavian Brandy while I wait for that asteroid base to magically appear.

Not sure if this would be apparent flying the outward leg, but it is pretty clear flying coreward.

 

[clavain]

This keeps cropping up, but I'm not at all convinced about the alleged astronomical aspects of Kahina's visit (9th Feb 3301 "on a diplomatic mission at the behest of Chancellor Blaine ") to Cambridge. As far as I can see (from Heinrich's galnet archive http://ed.frank-heinrich.net/index.php?title=Galnet_Collection_Senator_Kahina) the only tie of Kahina to Cambridge is that she landed on Earth 27th March 3301 "where she was greeted by enthusiastically cheering crowds on arrival at the historic Cambridge spaceport before being taken to London to be met by Ambassador Waite".

There are some gaps in the dates of the galnet entries about her visit to Sol, and one could speculate about what was going on during that time, but I'm not convinced by any alleged astronomical research. As others have point outed out in the last pages astronomy is better done from a satellite or spaceship above the atmosphere & wherever the celestial orbital dynamics require.

I do however think she was doing some other kind of research during her "diplomatic visit". She visited Mars High, where the alien relic is supposed to be. She visited the outer gas giants (17th March report) -whatever for? She must have seen hundreds/thousands of gas giants, so the entry on that is to me very suggestive. On 02 April she said she found her visit "Most enlightening”

Yeah, I agree. Also because many moons ago, after I messed around in Stellarium with Han Zen and tried to make sense of it, Drew stated (in this very thread I believe) that you would not need a tool like Stellarium to figure out any clues related to this. Of course that may have changed since the most recent reboot of the Formidine mystery and the additions to it, but I doubt it.

 

[BluWolve]

I just compared an Orrery view of Sol in the Elite Dangerous universe for the current Date/Time to an external Orrery. The position of the planets in Elite: Dangerous do not match their real-world positions for either 2017 or 3303.

Elite: Dangerous orrery view: http://www.elitegalaxyonline.com/orrery/?system_id=338

External Real World orrery: https://www.fourmilab.ch/cgi-bin/Solar

While it is possible that the position of the planets is purely a mistake made by Frontier it is also possible that, if we could match their in-game positions to a real-world date, we might strike on some kind of hint. I believe that Drew once indicated the Kahina's voyage to Sol was for a purpose. She spent some time in Cambridge which is a historical center for astronomical research on a very important day (solstice). I think this is worth further pursuit though, after Cassiopeia A, I promise not to jump to any conclusions prematurely.

Well she didnt want to be late, could of been she didnt want to miss something that only happens at a particular time and place. The trip was most enlightening, and that's not the only reference to light on Salomés story.

A while ago a few commanders and I were discussing Neolithic structures on Earth - such as Newgrange and Knowth - where the sun aligns at specific times of the year. It isn't exactly known what these structures were designed for, but there are theories. Since you guys brought up equinoxes and solstices got me thinking about it again. Below is a great source of info on these structure, with many facts and diagrams along with some speculation as to what these sites could have designed and used for -

http://www.mythicalireland.com/ancientsites/knowth/herdayinthesun.php

I let you make of it what you will, but could it be a possible lead to follow?

 

[Jaiotu]

So, I've been out of the loop for some time, and only now slowly making my way back from yet another Rift trip that started months ago so as to hopefully be back in the area of the new asteroid base in time for 2.3 launch. In any case, long story short, coming back this time I noticed something I have not noticed before on previous trips, and do not recall having seen come up on this thread before (although it might have while I have as I have been away for some time and have not been following the thread or the forums or any of the super-secret various group discord/web forums stuff). It looks to me like Heart and Soul are little mirror images of the Greater and Lesser Magellanic Clouds. Might just be the space madness setting in. I don't have a screenshot that does it justice as I have been flying in VR and haven't mastered getting the viewing angles right for screenshots, but they look very similar. Right, back to drinking the last of my Lavian Brandy while I wait for that asteroid base to magically appear.

Not sure if this would be apparent flying the outward leg, but it is pretty clear flying coreward.

Heart and Soul corresponding to the Megellanic Clouds has been discussed. There is a system in EAFOTS where the two nebulae almost perfectly occult the Megellanic Clouds. I posted a screenshot but I'm on Mobile so won't go looking right this second.

 

[Zeeman]

If you have a spaceship, the perfect place for observing stars is NOT the surface of a planet with an atmosphere.
Also, if you have a spaceship, you don't have to wait for a planet to arrive at equinox, since you can just fly your spaceship to where the planet WILL be.

Yup, pretty much. However, putting my "pretending to be a work experience ki.. erm... dev hat trying to push a story forward", it is the easiest way I can think of to point out a section of sky without trying to be too obvious. Otherwise, what are they going to say?

Sol Herald Bulletin:
"Kahina was tracked today in the Sol system, she was following the orbit path of Sol, and dropped out of supercruise at the position Earth would be on March 20, her ship's canopy was then logged as pointing int he general direction of..."

You get my drift...

Anyway, 10kLY from Eafots. Hawkin(g)s is a g long way form Eafots, even longer if you don't want to fly through the bubble... Oh well, at least it helps me get closer to my 1m LY odometer reading...

Z...

 

[[Diplomacy] Carnegie]

Yup, pretty much. However, putting my "pretending to be a work experience ki.. erm... dev hat trying to push a story forward", it is the easiest way I can think of to point out a section of sky without trying to be too obvious. Otherwise, what are they going to say?

Sol Herald Bulletin:
"Kahina was tracked today in the Sol system, she was following the orbit path of Sol, and dropped out of supercruise at the position Earth would be on March 20, her ship's canopy was then logged as pointing int he general direction of..."

You get my drift...

Anyway, 10kLY from Eafots. Hawkin(g)s is a g long way form Eafots, even longer if you don't want to fly through the bubble... Oh well, at least it helps me get closer to my 1m LY odometer reading...

Z...

I apparently have more faith in Drew's creative writing skills than you do

Given the repetition of Galnet posts I remain doubtful that the date that things were published can be taken as significant.

Plus I find it stretches the bounds of coincidence to believe that an unknown/alien entity would be arranging its activities based on the position of Earth in relation to millenia old astrological symbolism.

 

[crushdepth]

You are obviously right.
Unless what you are observing are not the actual stars ( I wrote about constellations) but the patterns they form in the sky seen from a precise point of view at a precise time in the year.
Not even needed to go there...just use Stellarium

But is it a coincidence the Witch came to Cambridge this precise day ? Equinox is only related with Earth axis versus the Sun. It even has nothing to do with te galactical geometry...(but one time in 10 000 years as told by the Mayan calendar ...)

Perhaps she was waiting for the arrival of a signal or communication.

- - - Updated - - -

This keeps cropping up, but I'm not at all convinced about the alleged astronomical aspects of Kahina's visit (9th Feb 3301 "on a diplomatic mission at the behest of Chancellor Blaine ") to Cambridge. As far as I can see (from Heinrich's galnet archive http://ed.frank-heinrich.net/index.php?title=Galnet_Collection_Senator_Kahina) the only tie of Kahina to Cambridge is that she landed on Earth 27th March 3301 "where she was greeted by enthusiastically cheering crowds on arrival at the historic Cambridge spaceport before being taken to London to be met by Ambassador Waite".

There are some gaps in the dates of the galnet entries about her visit to Sol, and one could speculate about what was going on during that time, but I'm not convinced by any alleged astronomical research. As others have point outed out in the last pages astronomy is better done from a satellite or spaceship above the atmosphere & wherever the celestial orbital dynamics require.

I do however think she was doing some other kind of research during her "diplomatic visit". She visited Mars High, where the alien relic is supposed to be. She visited the outer gas giants (17th March report) -whatever for? She must have seen hundreds/thousands of gas giants, so the entry on that is to me very suggestive. On 02 April she said she found her visit "Most enlightening”

There is also the London Treaty, which was an arms limitation agreement on how many capital ships the superpowers would have, and which Patreus later said he would disregard. Tantalum anyone?

 

[NUMBERZero1032]

I'm noticed in the Hawkings Gap Alpha Mission log that there's a rumor that the amount of ships sent into the Formidine Rift was double that of any other expedition because of the amount of crews going crazy out here. I would expect double the beacons to be found, and then some because all the logs mention dropping off multiple beacons. As far as I know, we've searched pretty thoroughly, but we haven't found any more beacons in a while (unless people aren't visiting the planets in the unexplored systems to make sure).

Does that seem right to everyone? I kinda want a dev to confirm whether this is right or wrong.

 

[Masheikh Scytale]

Yep. I reckon so

The alternative - that she needed to be in a certain place at a certain time in order to observe something based on pictures drawn in the sky by a bunch of astronomers 1,5000 years previously, mostly based on pictures drawn by a bunch of astrologers 2,000 years before that - is all a bit too mystical for me.

However, all the mythological symbolism is a construct laid over the Rift mystery by human agents - so it's not unreasonable to believe that THEY required Kahina to perform certain 'initiation rituals' in order to be accepted into the group. I think the Gerasian Liquor she received on Earth was their way of saying 'You're in'.

Interesting.
Then this ritual surely is related to Persephone myth. Must be. Persephone was among other things some kind of goddess of spring and agriculture. She was due to spend autumn and winter in the Underworld and allowed to come back in spring... which starts with the equinox.
I think I will stay on Persephone a few more days ... ( Kahina visiting Sol during equinox, equinox related to Persephone, Persephone requires Sol permit to fly to, Seven Veils modules enhanced by Avalon Shipyards owned by ...Persephone Station. Lot of 'coincidences'.
The Witch visited the outer gas giants at these dates...only the outer gas giants ? Who knows ?

 

[[Diplomacy] Carnegie]

I'm noticed in the Hawkings Gap Alpha Mission log that there's a rumor that the amount of ships sent into the Formidine Rift was double that of any other expedition because of the amount of crews going crazy out here. I would expect double the beacons to be found, and then some because all the logs mention dropping off multiple beacons. As far as I know, we've searched pretty thoroughly, but we haven't found any more beacons in a while (unless people aren't visiting the planets in the unexplored systems to make sure).

Does that seem right to everyone? I kinda want a dev to confirm whether this is right or wrong.

Drew has implicitly confirmed that all beacons have been found - since he asked for details of who found them and the corresponding bases.

 

[Jaiotu]

I apparently have more faith in Drew's creative writing skills than you do

Given the repetition of Galnet posts I remain doubtful that the date that things were published can be taken as significant.

Plus I find it stretches the bounds of coincidence to believe that an unknown/alien entity would be arranging its activities based on the position of Earth in relation to millenia old astrological symbolism.

I think everyone is missing my point.

The position of the planets in the Solar System are entirely wrong. They are neither in the correct position relative to 2017 or 3303. At noon local time on Earth you are staring up into the night sky. I'm not saying that Kahina needed to go to Earth to try and point out some astronomical sight that would be observable from Cambridge on the equinox. I'm postulating that she went there to draw attention to the fact that the vernal equinox on our Calendar does not correspond to the vernal equinox relative to Earth's position in space relative to the Sun.

It is quite possible that the Ricardo Bentonio exploration community goal was partially designed to further draw attention to the fact that our in-game calendar is way off. Off by 10 years. The Calendar dates in Elite: Dangerous correspond to 3313. All of the dates fall on the correct day of the week for 3313 and 3312 was a leap year ... just like last year. I haven't verified if the current positions of the planets in Elite Dangerous line up correctly with 3313 yet.

I know, I know. This is a lot of tin foil. After the recent Ricardo Bentonio Galnet article about aliens walking among us I've started looking back at some of the previous stuff from Bentonio (excluding the stuff that I playfully submitted) with a little less skepticism.

My thinking: If we can find what day the position of the planets in the Sol system actually corresponds to and then rewind to Kahina's visit to Sol then maybe there is some historical event that occurred on that date that will shed some kind of clue.

A long shot by at least a parsec I'm sure.

 

[BluWolve]

I think everyone is missing my point.

The position of the planets in the Solar System are entirely wrong. They are neither in the correct position relative to 2017 or 3303. At noon local time on Earth you are staring up into the night sky. I'm not saying that Kahina needed to go to Earth to try and point out some astronomical sight that would be observable from Cambridge on the equinox. I'm postulating that she went there to draw attention to the fact that the vernal equinox on our Calendar does not correspond to the vernal equinox relative to Earth's position in space relative to the Sun.

It is quite possible that the Ricardo Bentonio exploration community goal was partially designed to further draw attention to the fact that our in-game calendar is way off. Off by 10 years. The Calendar dates in Elite: Dangerous correspond to 3313. All of the dates fall on the correct day of the week for 3313 and 3312 was a leap year ... just like last year. I haven't verified if the current positions of the planets in Elite Dangerous line up correctly with 3313 yet.

I know, I know. This is a lot of tin foil. After the recent Ricardo Bentonio Galnet article about aliens walking among us I've started looking back at some of the previous stuff from Bentonio (excluding the stuff that I playfully submitted) with a little less skepticism.

My thinking: If we can find what day the position of the planets in the Sol system actually corresponds to and then rewind to Kahina's visit to Sol then maybe there is some historical event that occurred on that date that will shed some kind of clue.

A long shot by at least a parsec I'm sure.

Ok well there was a war against the Thargoids that was conveniently wiped from history, and at least one old woman's memory What if the powers of the day, such as Galcop, covered up what happened with the thargoids, and that is TOW was trying to reveal? I know that "Altera" isn't considered official lore but these events are starting to sound familiar I reckon. But even if there was a war with Thargoids, that in itself surely doesn't warrant such drastic measures, does it?

 

[simulacrae]

Re Kahinas trip to Earth

The importance of earth is that it is the center of the galactic coordinate system. The importance of the Vernal Equinox (March 20th) is that that is when the coordinates are measured.

Spoiler

see Wikipedia Equatorial Coordinates

All the "enlightening" remarks seemed to indicate a supernova. the quote used by Salome "I have loved the stars too fondly to be fearful of the night" is from a poem that talks about Tycho Brahe. Tycho was famed in part for his work on a Supernova (SN1572). Which coincidentally is located in Cassiopeia (but not on ED star charts).

this was as far as i got:

Spoiler

ya it didn't go well... but haven't been keeping up on this. Whether it was Tycho's star or not... Maybe now there are more definite clues to point at a second alignment? ... a sort of x marks the spot in the stars ?

 

[Jaiotu]

Re Kahinas trip to Earth

The importance of earth is that it is the center of the galactic coordinate system. The importance of the Vernal Equinox (March 20th) is that that is when the coordinates are measured.

Spoiler

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/de/Ra_and_dec_rectangular.png see Wikipedia Equatorial Coordinates

All the "enlightening" remarks seemed to indicate a supernova. the quote used by Salome "I have loved the stars too fondly to be fearful of the night" is from a poem that talks about Tycho Brahe. Tycho was famed in part for his work on a Supernova (SN1572). Which coincidentally is located in Cassiopeia (but not on ED star charts).

this was as far as i got:

Spoiler

http://i.imgur.com/ELBh0Ds.png

ya it didn't go well... but haven't been keeping up on this. Whether it was Tycho's star or not... Maybe now there are more definite clues to point at a second alignment? ... a sort of x marks the spot in the stars ?

The poem is The Old Astronomer by Sarah Williams and the phrase stands in direct contrast to a quote from another Astronomer, Blaise Pascal: “The eternal silence of these infinite spaces fills me with dread.”

 

[simulacrae]

The poem is The Old Astronomer by Sarah Williams and the phrase stands in direct contrast to a quote from another Astronomer, Blaise Pascal: “The eternal silence of these infinite spaces fills me with dread.”

Nice ! YA i got a kick out of it ... its also patterns after some of the quatrains of the Rubaiyat of Omar Khayyam (Maybe the connection is hedonistic stargazers).