THE FORMIDINE RIFT MYSTERY (Part 4)

CMDR Poet Starwind

CMDR Poet Starwind
BluWolve said:
I know that "Altera" isn't considered official lore but these events are starting to sound familiar I reckon. But even if there was a war with Thargoids, that in itself surely doesn't warrant such drastic measures, does it?
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Altera might not be official, but Reclamation was approved - assuming that makes it official.

Page 151, paragraph 2:
‘Girl, I took out an iron- Python on my twentieth birthday using nothing but a Sidewinder and pulse laser.'

Only one CMDR I've read about in the Wagarlore has this specific accomplishment under her belt, and she's from an alternate 'verse.
 

Vasquess

Vasquess
Jaiotu said:
I think everyone is missing my point.

The position of the planets in the Solar System are entirely wrong. They are neither in the correct position relative to 2017 or 3303. At noon local time on Earth you are staring up into the night sky. I'm not saying that Kahina needed to go to Earth to try and point out some astronomical sight that would be observable from Cambridge on the equinox. I'm postulating that she went there to draw attention to the fact that the vernal equinox on our Calendar does not correspond to the vernal equinox relative to Earth's position in space relative to the Sun.

It is quite possible that the Ricardo Bentonio exploration community goal was partially designed to further draw attention to the fact that our in-game calendar is way off. Off by 10 years. The Calendar dates in Elite: Dangerous correspond to 3313. All of the dates fall on the correct day of the week for 3313 and 3312 was a leap year ... just like last year. I haven't verified if the current positions of the planets in Elite Dangerous line up correctly with 3313 yet.

I know, I know. This is a lot of tin foil. After the recent Ricardo Bentonio Galnet article about aliens walking among us I've started looking back at some of the previous stuff from Bentonio (excluding the stuff that I playfully submitted) with a little less skepticism.

My thinking: If we can find what day the position of the planets in the Sol system actually corresponds to and then rewind to Kahina's visit to Sol then maybe there is some historical event that occurred on that date that will shed some kind of clue.

A long shot by at least a parsec I'm sure.
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This discussion reminds me of a point during an exploration expedition where I found a planet in a "displaced" solar orbit:

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In that system I tried to find a position where the planets orbit would have a realistic elliptic figure – taken that the star is so far from the potential center of the orbit. I didn't do fancy computations but in the end I got the impression that the ED universe uses a simple approximation for planet orbits: Just circles!

If that is really the case and all ED orbits are circles then it becomes quite evident that the positions of planets in a system cannot align with real positions. And I also think that this makes kind of sense. To keep such a simulation in line with reality for a lengthier period of time, the computations should get significantly more complex.
 

[Diplomacy] Carnegie

[Diplomacy] Carnegie
Jaiotu said:
I think everyone is missing my point.

The position of the planets in the Solar System are entirely wrong. They are neither in the correct position relative to 2017 or 3303. At noon local time on Earth you are staring up into the night sky. I'm not saying that Kahina needed to go to Earth to try and point out some astronomical sight that would be observable from Cambridge on the equinox. I'm postulating that she went there to draw attention to the fact that the vernal equinox on our Calendar does not correspond to the vernal equinox relative to Earth's position in space relative to the Sun.

It is quite possible that the Ricardo Bentonio exploration community goal was partially designed to further draw attention to the fact that our in-game calendar is way off. Off by 10 years. The Calendar dates in Elite: Dangerous correspond to 3313. All of the dates fall on the correct day of the week for 3313 and 3312 was a leap year ... just like last year. I haven't verified if the current positions of the planets in Elite Dangerous line up correctly with 3313 yet.

I know, I know. This is a lot of tin foil. After the recent Ricardo Bentonio Galnet article about aliens walking among us I've started looking back at some of the previous stuff from Bentonio (excluding the stuff that I playfully submitted) with a little less skepticism.

My thinking: If we can find what day the position of the planets in the Sol system actually corresponds to and then rewind to Kahina's visit to Sol then maybe there is some historical event that occurred on that date that will shed some kind of clue.

A long shot by at least a parsec I'm sure.
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Your theory appears to require FDev to have implemented a 10 year offset to facilitate one of their kickstarter authors.
That strikes me as unlikely, especially given that Drew has often talked about hoe frequently FDev sent his initial drafts back with red lines all through them.

Occam says that FDev forgot about leap years when they chose the start date for ED.
 
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lorrad

lorrad
Jaiotu said:
Just because something gets mentioned in a line of text doesn't mean that it exists in game. Take the Tionisla Graveyard. It has been referenced in Galnet but does not exist ... yet. I have a sneaking suspicion that the beacons around ELWs either don't exist or simply haven't been added yet.



I know, right? The problem with the Elite: Dangerous calendar is one of the first things I ever posted on these forums. I bug reported it before the game went into Gamma release. It was never addressed.
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They're doin just fine for a band of functioning alcoholics.

Thinking of the mythic persephone theme perhaps that layering refers solely to kahina and her rift story as opposed to being the overarching theme of what's to come. Just saying it doesn't all have to align with all elements as thematic structure can be nested or have parallels running along. And if we're running along the Kahina theme I don't think it's been flat out stated that she failed and she was wrong.

Historic Kahina's analysis was that the Arab advance was about value so take away the value and the motive evaporates, but by destroying the value lost much of her own support which contributed to her defeat because it was about spreading the word. So if our Kahina is following form she'll come back with a faulty analysis leading to bad strategy and tactics leading her and her followers to defeat and death. The twist would be when that truth sets in.

"It's a cookbook!"
 

JesusRocks1988

JesusRocks1988
Just to report in from the depths of the Rift. I've started my return journey to the EAFOTS sector from the NGC 1491 Nebula. Apart from a system with a water world and a system with a single O class star, there's nothing particularly noteworthy about the Nebula. I do, however, find it really strange that all the surrounding sectors are almost completely untagged, but the NGC 1491 Sector is almost completely tagged. Someone went through a lot of effort to not scan anything on the way to this nebula lol.
 

Sterlino

Sterlino
my job in the rift for the moment is done.

i am going back to the bubble to repair the hull (64%) and to see some new things (waiting for 2.3 update)

if there will be some new clues or something of relevant i will come back to the rift.

thanks all of you guys, it was an awesome experience.
 
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Assimilator1

Assimilator1
JesusRocks1988 said:
Just to report in from the depths of the Rift. I've started my return journey to the EAFOTS sector from the NGC 1491 Nebula. Apart from a system with a water world and a system with a single O class star, there's nothing particularly noteworthy about the Nebula. I do, however, find it really strange that all the surrounding sectors are almost completely untagged, but the NGC 1491 Sector is almost completely tagged. Someone went through a lot of effort to not scan anything on the way to this nebula lol.
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Lol, weird, good job cmdr :) o7
 

Zeeman

Zeeman
JesusRocks1988 said:
Just to report in from the depths of the Rift. I've started my return journey to the EAFOTS sector from the NGC 1491 Nebula. Apart from a system with a water world and a system with a single O class star, there's nothing particularly noteworthy about the Nebula. I do, however, find it really strange that all the surrounding sectors are almost completely untagged, but the NGC 1491 Sector is almost completely tagged. Someone went through a lot of effort to not scan anything on the way to this nebula lol.
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This is standard with every nebula everywhere. MY favourite was one where every system had been tagged except one. It was also the only system in the nebula with an ELW - guess who tagged it? I'll have to find the system name - I'm quite proud of it. Goes to show that persistence can pay off...

Z...
 

Zeeman

Zeeman
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Jaiotu

Jaiotu
DrewCarnegie said:
Your theory appears to require FDev to have implemented a 10 year offset to facilitate one of their kickstarter authors.
That strikes me as unlikely, especially given that Drew has often talked about hoe frequently FDev sent his initial drafts back with red lines all through them.

Occam says that FDev forgot about leap years when they chose the start date for ED.
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You are right of course ... but I'm certainly one for turning Frontier's errors into playable content :)

The chances of any of this being an actual clue are very, very, very small but not non-existent. There's just enough circumstantial evidence to move forward and investigate while waiting for fresh clues and hints to drop (I doubt we'll get anything substantial until after 2.3). I'm going to see where this theory goes but I'm not in a rush.

I'm pretty sure that Frontier's decision to start the game in 3300 boils down to it being a nicely rounded year and they paid zero attention to leap years or matching days of the week. The current in-game positions of the planets around the Sun is probably due to taking those readings from some old almanac from the 1970s or something. Likewise the fact that noon is not noon probably has more to do with someone not paying attention to details. Those probabilities are far more likely than some vast galactic conspiracy that erased 10 years of human history.

Still ... I can't help but move forward because Space Madness.
 

ScolioTheMost

ScolioTheMost
DrewCarnegie said:
This, I believe, is a clue:


"Finally fixed the drive, more monotony. Can't believe it's nearly six months sice we set out from Riedquat. Did I say Riedquat? I meant Reorte. It's getting to me, this endless emptiness. The guys are showing the strain. Three more months before we can turn and head back. The stars are thinning out, you can the whole galaxy just hanging there..."
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I think is is odd that the word should from the log match what the old woman says in reclamation: "Stars thin out, you can see the whole galaxy just hanging there." Either she is confusing these log entries with her own memory, or she is the pilot.
 

TwistedHelix

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Vasquess said:
This discussion reminds me of a point during an exploration expedition where I found a planet in a "displaced" solar orbit:
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Do you have the system data for that planet ? (in game pic since EDSM doesnt seem to get all the data)

Its just I am interested in planetary orbit anomalies and how this relates to the data that ED gives us.
 
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crushdepth

C
El_Scolio said:
I think is is odd that the word should from the log match what the old woman says in reclamation: "Stars thin out, you can see the whole galaxy just hanging there." Either she is confusing these log entries with her own memory, or she is the pilot.
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She also manages to mention the Reorte-Riedquat line in practically the same breath, so it's either her, or there is some deliberate misdirection and funny business going on.

Personally I think funny business is not off the cards as her story is just a bit too cute: Stumbles over the rift mystery by accident when we can't find a shred of it after a couple of years of looking? Odd. Retains some memory of the event after having her memory wiped? Unusual. Randomly meets Kahina (hmm) and directs her to a message she has - somehow - hidden in a privileged Imperial database? Okkkaaayyyyyy. Not to mention that her ship transmissions are what lead us to the planetary bases.

Not a civilian IMHO, quite likely the agent of some power, who knows which but there is some manipulation going on. We still have an unexplained Dark Wheel medallion lying about though.
 
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Jaiotu

Jaiotu
El_Scolio said:
I think is is odd that the word should from the log match what the old woman says in reclamation: "Stars thin out, you can see the whole galaxy just hanging there." Either she is confusing these log entries with her own memory, or she is the pilot.
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She wiped her own memory according to Altera. I assume that any "memories" she has from being out in the Rift have been pieced together from log entries and other sources that she manged to discover over time.

The conversation from Reclamation is thus:

‘Don’t tell no one, but I got as far as the Formidine Rift, not many folks can say that! No one has gone past it and lived to tell the tale.’

‘The Formid …?’

‘Edge of the galactic arm. Take a line from Reorte to Riedquat to the edge of the arm and … keep going.’ The woman grimaced. ‘Stars thin out, you can see the whole galaxy just hanging there.

Note: She never actually says that SHE saw the whole galaxy 'just hanging there'. She also explicitly defines The Formidine Rift as 'the edge of the galactic arm' and that, while she has been to the Rift (the edge) nobody who went past the edge lived to tell the tale. I don't think we are looking for something inside the Formidine Rift at all. I think what we are looking for lies beyond the Rift.
 

Jaiotu

Jaiotu
crushdepth said:
She also manages to mention the Reorte-Riedquat line in practically the same breath, so it's either her, or there is some deliberate misdirection and funny business going on.

Personally I think funny business is not off the cards as her story is just a bit too cute: Stumbles over the rift mystery by accident when we can't find a shred of it after a couple of years of looking? Odd. Retains some memory of the event after having her memory wiped? Unusual. Randomly meets Kahina (hmm) and directs her to a message she has - somehow - hidden in a privileged Imperial database? Okkkaaayyyyyy. Not to mention that her ship transmissions are what lead us to the planetary bases.

Not a civilian IMHO, quite likely the agent of some power, who knows which but there is some manipulation going on. We still have an unexplained Dark Wheel medallion lying about though.
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If the Old Woman is, in fact, Rebecca Weston than she has ties to Galcop, The Dark Wheel and Raxxla itself (according to non-canonical sources). According to the (also non-canonical) Children of Raxxla novella by Allesia Verdi CoR considers itself to be linked to The Dark Wheel and The Old Woman appears to have some form of leadership role in connection to CoR and TDW. It is hard to say if any of this can be taken as truth due to their non-canonical nature and hopefully more light will be shed on the subject in Drew's upcoming novel Premonition.
 
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