General / Off-Topic Are we brexiting?
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We can see you're having fun over there too. Them Dutch ey? They don't know what they are missing!
Have a nice day!
verminstar
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You lot should have another election...the entertainment value was about the one thing we do all agree on. Silver linings and all that...
This has been going on fer ages...insults are both ways and while they are controlled to a degree, every single moderator Ive seen in here oppose the brexit, and theres been quite a few so far. With bans and warnings handed out every now and then...most I didnt agree with but whats the point in complaining to mods who hold a different political opinion as clearly demonstrated? My first ban was fer answering a question that another mod asked me...I got banned fer being honest with the answer ergo I dont communicate with that mod fer any reason. Im not allowed to mute them because its a mod, so I merely ignore them.
Of course they gonna come down hard on one side while the other side gets a by ball fer most the trivial stuff, like fuzzys hate speeches and intellectual snobbery. Its nothing new and Im half expecting another ban every time I comment here fer something trivial ^
As I said, the "Remoaner" tag doesn't bother me, but it does say something about the person making it.
Are the 16million of us who think this is a bad idea supposed to shut up and not say it's a bad idea?
To put the boot on the other foot, if the result had been the exact opposite would the Brexiteers shrug and go "well that's the will of the people, we think it's a bad idea to stay in the EU but we'll not say another word"? I think not.
"Remoaner" suggests that the person saying it thinks that opposition is a bad thing.
If the UK decided to return NI to the RoI I very much doubt you'd stop moaning about it, you've moaned about the situation there and your perception that it is unfair against "your people" plenty of times.
We don't have long to wait now, on the 29th the article 50 letter will be sent and we can all wait and see if the promises of the Brexiteers come true or turn out to be a load of bull.
my money's on the latter
verminstar
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Well on this side of the irish sea, there was a recent vote to decide our immediate future...a vote I did not take part in because I have lost all faith in politicians. Its ok though as Im very close to the result I wanted.
By not voting, either of two things happen. Voter apathy in which case the result isnt valid, or unionist apathy in which case the DUP lose their stormont majority and lose their ability to use the petition of concern to block certain votes from even happening. I got the latter which means my ideal outcome of going back to direct rule from london is tantalizingly close because neither side can agree on the way forward.
Not moaning about it anymore becauseI got exactly what I wanted which is the best of a bad situation. Direct rule was the one thing republicans did not want so Im happy with the result of not voting. They pushing fer a border poll but thats already been ruled out by both the british and irish governments, so handing us back to the free staters aint gonna happen anytime soon. Nobody gets what they want and we turn the clocks back 30 years, but it ensures our survival and turfs the liars outta stormont to live like the rest of us. Thats a win situation on its own.
If the name bothers ye that much then I suppose Ill have to stop using it, even though the context of it was directed at fuzzy as thats really all he does...moan, and drop innuendos about our level of intelligence, we are racist xenophobes etc etc etc...
Maybe on reflection, I should just mute the guy instead of rising to his trollish manner at all ^
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Minti2
Deadly, But very fluffy...
I find it quite disturbing when people say there should be a test for having a vote, i work for a deaf/blind charity and we have many guys with varying degrees of physical disabilities and cognitive understanding, all have the vote but most probably dont use it due to not being able to understand.
However, i know of at least two gentlemen i work with who whilst still having a limited understanding of news events/political debate, they relish voting, and are given every assistance in doing so while not influencing their decisions(I know at least one votes differently from me, and good for them!)
I would fight tooth and nail to make sure they get to keep those voting rights no matter how much they understand or vote, hell lets take voting privileges away from those who voted Monster Raving Loony party and other fringe party's who dont take voting seriously, see where we end up with that.
Our Country will survive one way or another, be as intellectual as you like, me i go with common sense every time, i voted in by the way, but we are going out so lets get on with it.
However, i know of at least two gentlemen i work with who whilst still having a limited understanding of news events/political debate, they relish voting, and are given every assistance in doing so while not influencing their decisions(I know at least one votes differently from me, and good for them!)
I would fight tooth and nail to make sure they get to keep those voting rights no matter how much they understand or vote, hell lets take voting privileges away from those who voted Monster Raving Loony party and other fringe party's who dont take voting seriously, see where we end up with that.
Our Country will survive one way or another, be as intellectual as you like, me i go with common sense every time, i voted in by the way, but we are going out so lets get on with it.
What if, in addition to a voting license, an alternative method of political representation were introduced to for others. A method of interviewing people, having a meeting with members of the public etc.
I don't want to take poilitican representation from people, merely the "blunt force" approach that we currently have.
My problem with voting is not merely lack of qualification of those who vote, but also the mostly binary nature of the ballot. Take the Brexit vote - people had a choice, in or out. As we've seen since there are so many variables and so many definitions of in or out, none of which were mentioned on the ballot paper. A proper public consultation with representations made by the public to see the direction that people wanted to go in would have been better than a single question to decide the fate of at least 60 million people, a fate which has now been decided by just over a quarter of them.
Oh and as you said, I was talking about qualifications, not intelligence. I actually included myself as being unqualified to vote, which is the reason I don't vote. So I don't know where the "too thick to vote" strawman is coming from.
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What names? Point out an example please. You're behaving badly, and going "they do it too!" is no excuse.
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Jesus Christ... this is like a kindergarten scene now.
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Hmm.
Well the First one is not Surprising and actually good. Its Importand to adjust for this. Trouble is never good. But if its Dealt with properly it will at least not be total chaos.
The Second one is astonishing tough. I mean all of us know that the Emergency Funds a Government keeps for future are always an complete minimum case which never is enough and thus usually will be stepped up once its actually needed because the moment its used everyone already knows it wont be enough. And its 11 Billion already.
Rest is pretty Expected I guess.
We all knew it beforehand anyways.
Its like an Open Secret. They kept saying oh no it wont happen. No No....
And everyone just knew Oh yes its sooo going to happen xD
Well. Thats one way to See it.
If the Leader of my Country was Trump. I would likely be more Comfortable looking somewhere else as well.....
Well.
In a Sense its not that Disturbing.
After all the Test is not supposed to be about your Political Opinion. But about you actually understanding what your Voting for.
I dont see it being Possible tough. Its more of an Theoretical Wish which everyone knows will never happen.
Because its pretty much Impossible to make sure that this is done Neutrally and purely on understanding anyways.
What I would wish for way more. And which would actually be possible. Would be that Newspapers and Media have to Label their Articles Properly. Making it an Punishable Offense if your Presenting Claims and Opinions as Facts.
As well as giving the Police or the Tasked Ministry the Authority to Change the Labels to "Under Court" if an Label is Challenged because it claims something as Fact which is not.
Moreover it should be an Punishable Offense if your Reporting Factually Knowledge. Which as well can be Proven afterwards.
Then stuff like the Claim that Britain would Stop Paying 350 Billion to the EU and give it to NHS would never have gone around...
As for your Country Surviving one way or another. I would see that in Question right now.
Right now the Chances Gibraltar being taken back by Spain, North Ireland being taken back by Ireland, Scotland Declaring Independence and thus England and Wales also going back to being England and Wales thus the United Kingdom ceasing to Exist.
Are not as far fetched anymore. In opposite they have become more and more likely lately.
Of course the Country not Surviving does not mean its People will Die.
Its just that the United Kingdom as an Country might in fact not Survive this.
Anybody who was pleased that Lord Heseltine had defied the Brexit whip can stop now, as he descends into Fawlty-esque "who won the bloody war anyway" xenophobic nonsense.
ETA - Which is even being criticised by UKIP!
ETA - Which is even being criticised by UKIP!
Very (and I mean very very) badly put, I won't defend what he said...... but his point is valid..... the UK has handed Germany a potentially massive advantage.
The EU will now have 2 big players, Germany and France who will have a major influence in shaping the EU.
The UK has given up a major part of it's influence over that future for few, if any, gains.
I find UKIP's criticism very hypocritical (but hardly surprising), seeing as they took every opportunity to bring up the past, with "we didn't win the war to allow us to be taken over by Germany!" and all that claptrap.
But it was a stupid comment.
It is rather just. Germany has too much influence in the European Union. It is necessary to rebalance by restarting the Franco-German engine. Preferably with an advantage for France because it is the country of the light, the human rights and the freedom, the equality and the fraternity
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And present day Germany is not?
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Ohhh you UKIP...
http://www.itv.com/news/wales/2017-...arket-critical-for-welsh-farmers-post-brexit/
It is very appropriate his name is "Mr Reckless".
http://www.itv.com/news/wales/2017-...arket-critical-for-welsh-farmers-post-brexit/
It is very appropriate his name is "Mr Reckless".
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It is not the same thing. You know well, "von Frankreich ist eine große Nation"
Nope, I don't know that.
I agree that France is an important nation in Europe, but I disagree that it should get an advantage or that it is the only "country of light, human rights and freedom, equality and fraternity" in Europe.
Patrick is unlikely to be able to think about his country in objective terms, I'm afraid.
From that article
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patrick exhibits two classic nationalist traits.
A belief that whatever his country does is right, simply because it is done by his country.
A belief that international relations are a zero sum game.
You nailed it. Incidentally this is the official doctrine in Russia, which explains a lot of Putin's seemingly self-destructive actions. A strong, coherent and prosperous EU is bad (for him), because even if that benefits Russia and Russians in absolute terms, that means that Russia is relatively weaker.
Well, if France leaves the European Union, the European Union will no longer exist. But do not worry. It will not happen
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