ED Steamcharts "4,000" active players. Pathetic

[xondk]

There was never a 10 year plan to begin with, they just said they hope to see Elite live long enough and support it to see it mature in 10 years from now but let's be honest, Elite will be long forgotten when Star Citizen is released or when someone else take this niche market.

As a backer of star citizen, and following it along its journey, no, no it won't Elite won't be forgotten, and star citizen is already now on quick collision course with many of the same complaints that Elite has gotten over the years, if anything Star Citizen with its scope constantly shrinking, might end up getting more complaints, but we will see. I hope it is great, but remember, Elite and Star Citizen was started at near the same time, Star Citizen got WAY more funding and is handled by way more people then Elite, so anyone that can even remotely be objective can't say Elite is doing 'bad' in comparison.

If anything Elite is keeping on track with its vision, where Star Citizen is cutting back, wobbling about and such.
Yes, star citizen 'looks' great, but that's it. The reason people play the arena commander and not CQC is because they only HAVE arena commander.

But here's the thing, Elite also looks great, and eventually we will get our space legs and wandering about as well.

 

[Sole Hunter]

Frontier has two successful titles published at the moment.

Cloud Imperium has banked 145+ millions from Star Citizen & SQ42. They made 50 times what Frontier made from Elite Dangerous & planet coaster combined together.

What's your point ?

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As a backer of star citizen, and following it along its journey, no, no it won't Elite won't be forgotten, and star citizen is already now on quick collision course with many of the same complaints that Elite has gotten over the years, if anything Star Citizen with its scope constantly shrinking, might end up getting more complaints, but we will see. I hope it is great, but remember, Elite and Star Citizen was started at near the same time, Star Citizen got WAY more funding and is handled by way more people then Elite, so anyone that can even remotely be objective can't say Elite is doing 'bad' in comparison.

If anything Elite is keeping on track with its vision, where Star Citizen is cutting back, wobbling about and such.
Yes, star citizen 'looks' great, but that's it. The reason people play the arena commander and not CQC is because they only HAVE arena commander.

But here's the thing, Elite also looks great, and eventually we will get our space legs and wandering about as well.

The scope of Star Citizen has not changed 1 bit, nor had any cuts, in fact, they increased the scope of it. There's a reason why they have the weekly citizen log updates.

 

[IamMe]

it is expected to daily playebase increase around new update and later drops. I believe that FD is not concerned with active players at all, what is important is sales numbers, so if they deliver good update or content sales will raise no matter how big active playebase was before.
Average Daily playerbase can drop to zero but if FD deliver let's say legs and atmo planets it sales will go in the sky, number of copies and dlc's sold is only important factor.
I recently stoped playing cos game is missing depth and i expected many things promised in KS so i'm kind of dissapointed with current state considering 5 years are passed from planed 10 years, what will make me play againg and invest Money and buy next season is better content than in this season so far.
I hope next season won't be like this one cos i won't buy it, only thing that could make me buy next season is atmo planets, legs and much more depth in game.

 

[Yaffle]

Cloud Imperium has banked 145+ millions from Star Citizen & SQ42. They made 50 times what Frontier made from Elite Dangerous & planet coaster combined together.

What's your point ?

We're a bit off topic, but I think the point is that if you are looking at a game and its success you need a game. Or two. Last time I checked SC did not have a downloader that could deal with delta downloads, a functioning game loop, or, well a game. It's still in alpha? Or pre-alpha? But my goodness it looks pretty. If you like well rendered generic sci-fi. That's with three times the staff and a year's head start on FD. The thing is, I want it to be good. The more space game stuff there is the happier I am.

If we are measuring success by dollars collected via crowdfunding, then SC has that one in its entirety.

Meanwhile, (and I'm active in the thread so I can't mod it) please can we get back on topic.

 

[xondk]

The scope of Star Citizen has not changed 1 bit, nor had any cuts, in fact, they increased the scope of it. There's a reason why they have the weekly citizen log updates.

I said cutting back and wobbles, take for example now we are at 8x systems on release rather then 125? but procedural planets were added, and there's been talk of survival elements.
and that's what I mean when wobbling and scaling back, you can't keep adding things and keep the release date, as well as costs at what is expected, so you cut something back, in this case systems, there's some other things here and there, hence why I didn't say they are simply cutting.

So yeah, has changed quite a bit more then 1 bit, just go back and watch the early videos

 

[Enderby]

They have 2 studios and 2 Subsidiaries with over 600 employees, I'd say they are doing much better than Frontier.

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You missed the whole point of my argument, whether or not Mass Effect is a good game or bad game is irrelevant.

Yeah I know. I'm just saying that it's crap as well.

 

[IamMe]

As a backer of star citizen, and following it along its journey, no, no it won't Elite won't be forgotten, and star citizen is already now on quick collision course with many of the same complaints that Elite has gotten over the years, if anything Star Citizen with its scope constantly shrinking, might end up getting more complaints, but we will see. I hope it is great, but remember, Elite and Star Citizen was started at near the same time, Star Citizen got WAY more funding and is handled by way more people then Elite, so anyone that can even remotely be objective can't say Elite is doing 'bad' in comparison.

If anything Elite is keeping on track with its vision, where Star Citizen is cutting back, wobbling about and such.
Yes, star citizen 'looks' great, but that's it. The reason people play the arena commander and not CQC is because they only HAVE arena commander.

But here's the thing, Elite also looks great, and eventually we will get our space legs and wandering about as well.

by the time they started in KS elite had finished engine while SC just started rewriting engine so i find it silly comparing them in development timeframe.

 

[Saool]

Is this another degeneration into Elite vs Star Citizen again. Golly.

I've said it before and I will say it again: Both have the same goal of a full spectrum future space sim. ED published with a core flight game and are building it up bit by bit. SC is trying to do a more complete package before release. Both will get there. Both will be fantastic and yet have there own smaller niches. I will play both. And I will enjoy both. And I think that will be the case for a lot of people.

 

[Enderby]

If SC is good or is bad, ED is still....

 

[xondk]

by the time they started in KS elite had finished engine while SC just started rewriting engine so i find it silly comparing them in development timeframe.

I believe you got the facts wrong, but yeah as Saool, mentions this isn't supposed to be a SC v Elite thread.

The point remains though, as pointed out in my post that funny how it is when facts are brought up in threads like this, seemingly people missed, Elite is not in danger in any way shape or form, there's no 'doom' or such. Elite is doing good.

 

[Xae]

Get off one echo chamber to go read another echo chamber?

Eh no.

From Rage; Truth.

You accept that this forum is an echo chamber, you just feel that other communities with a much broader draw are echo chambers too.

Please.

You're just insulating yourself from reality.

Here is what other communities say about the change:
Arstechnica (https://arstechnica.com/civis/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=1244993&start=8080):
The idiots of the Brown Sea manage to ruin Multicrew. They whined until Frontier scaled payouts based on combat rank. The new "adjustments" on Test nerfed multicrew payouts by 90%.
For ****s sake... I hope they alter the balancing.
So yea, they just put a bullet through the head of their headlining feature.
Every time they come up with a cool feature they manage to ruin it in the implementation.
If Frontier wants to to avoid noobs exploiting their way to millions or billions of credits, they certainly haven't shown it by their previous behavior (letting previous exploits linger for months).

Neogaf (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1157327&page=206):
Ahahahahahaha jesus christ fdev
The profit sharing is a typically ridiculous implementation of a sensible idea. <-- The Most positive comment from 4 different forums
All the more ironic in a game that has the tag line "blaze your own trail". Doing everything to prevent players from doing it in a way the immersion idiots or forum dads don't deem appropriate.
I'm tired of FD stepping in 9/10 times as if players having too much fun is a problem somehow.

I can't post anything from the Something Awful forum because most it would cause Forum Infractions. I'll summarize it as "This is not a wise decision."

Reddit's discussion of the change had to be deleted and locked because it turned into a petition for ahh... "Regime Change" at Frontier.

Outside of the echo chamber on this forum the change was less popular than The Clap.

But that is the problem. This echo chamber seems to be the primary source of Frontier's Feedback. What this tiny forum wants from Elite is very different from what the other 99% of the player would like.

 

[xondk]

Outside of the echo chamber on this forum the change was less popular than The Clap.

But that is the problem. This echo chamber seems to be the primary source of Frontier's Feedback. What this tiny forum wants from Elite is very different from what the other 99% of the player would like.

I don't know what you've read, but the change is unpopular here as well, very much so? so yeah, unsure where you've seen the feedback calling the change popular? Personally I get it, but I still thing it hits too hard, but the idea itself isn't bad.

 

[IamMe]

I believe you got the facts wrong, but yeah as Saool, mentions this isn't supposed to be a SC v Elite thread.

The point remains though, as pointed out in my post that funny how it is when facts are brought up in threads like this, seemingly people missed, Elite is not in danger in any way shape or form, there's no 'doom' or such. Elite is doing good.

i support both games and want them to succeed, i was just bringing the facts!
and NO elite won't die, like i said in a previous post average playerbase can dip to zero and when good update being released it can raise to the skies. If good update is released!

 

[Dbrn47]

From Rage; Truth.

You accept that this forum is an echo chamber, you just feel that other communities with a much broader draw are echo chambers too.

Please.

You're just insulating yourself from reality.

Here is what other communities say about the change:
Arstechnica (https://arstechnica.com/civis/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=1244993&start=8080):
The idiots of the Brown Sea manage to ruin Multicrew. They whined until Frontier scaled payouts based on combat rank. The new "adjustments" on Test nerfed multicrew payouts by 90%.
For ****s sake... I hope they alter the balancing.
So yea, they just put a bullet through the head of their headlining feature.
Every time they come up with a cool feature they manage to ruin it in the implementation.
If Frontier wants to to avoid noobs exploiting their way to millions or billions of credits, they certainly haven't shown it by their previous behavior (letting previous exploits linger for months).

Neogaf (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1157327&page=206):
Ahahahahahaha jesus christ fdev
The profit sharing is a typically ridiculous implementation of a sensible idea. <-- The Most positive comment from 4 different forums
All the more ironic in a game that has the tag line "blaze your own trail". Doing everything to prevent players from doing it in a way the immersion idiots or forum dads don't deem appropriate.
I'm tired of FD stepping in 9/10 times as if players having too much fun is a problem somehow.

I can't post anything from the Something Awful forum because most it would cause Forum Infractions. I'll summarize it as "This is not a wise decision."

Reddit's discussion of the change had to be deleted and locked because it turned into a petition for ahh... "Regime Change" at Frontier.

Outside of the echo chamber on this forum the change was less popular than The Clap.

But that is the problem. This echo chamber seems to be the primary source of Frontier's Feedback. What this tiny forum wants from Elite is very different from what the other 99% of the player would like.

To be fair, unless I missed it, there really wasn't much whining for the change. It leads me to believe they were on their way to change it without feedback, the feedback may have just tipped it into action. There seems to be far more outrage at the change than there was to actually bring the change. As stated previously, they will no doubt revisit it anyway, so continual outrage at the credit loss is probably meaningless. I do think that, if people are actually willing to look past just the credits, it does highlight fundamental issues with the implementation of Multi-Crew and issues with the game as a whole. So there is some good to come out of the change. At least as long as we highlight the issues and not just focus on "but my creddies".

As far as echo chambers go, I don't really feel other forums are better at not being echo chambers. You just have more freedom to speak on other forums because they aren't moderated to be child friendly.

 

[xondk]

i support both games and want them to succeed, i was just bringing the facts!
and NO elite won't die, like i said in a previous post average playerbase can dip to zero and when good update being released it can raise to the skies. If good update is released!

Yeah don't get me wrong, I want SC to succeed as well, I'm just not blind to what is happening, and that it is happening is alright, because they can get the basic stuff out and then add onto it, rather then this, for example insane long wait to be allowed to play in crusader with more then 20 fps, very frustrating to me.

 

[IamMe]

Yeah don't get me wrong, I want SC to succeed as well, I'm just not blind to what is happening, and that it is happening is alright, because they can get the basic stuff out and then add onto it, rather then this, for example insane long wait to be allowed to play in crusader with more then 20 fps, very frustrating to me.

what is happening is "alpha" and it is not insane long wait cos those things take time they are few years in development and it will take few more years to release it, ya Know like 2 years for horizons to be delivered!

 

[Sole Hunter]

I was merely using SC & ME as reference point to illustrate the time it takes to do video game development. I could have used any other games in the same category.

Whether or not your company name is CIG or Frontier is irrelevant. Both games are profitable from a business standpoint.

However, facts remains, SC will be immensely more popular and will affect the popularity of Elite in the long run in this small niche market.

All im saying is, don't get attached to the popularity of this game too much, game communities goes on and on all the time, it's the harsh reality of MMO development.

 

[Morkn]

For a game that's all about a massive universe, unexplored worlds and bounty hunters and traders and explorerers.

There's not a whole lot of people in this universe.

...

I'll give them credit, this game is a sinking ship but it's not going down as fast as I thought it would.

...

I hope the player base collapses just so FD can wake up and save this game because it does have potential, it always has and will, but they never utilized it.

C´mon Chris, stop it. We all know it´s you

 

[Strangepork]

My iPad calculator won't do the sum but is that, 100,000,000 systems each?

That's a bargain for 40 quid.

 

[LeoBartlet]

What this tiny forum wants from Elite is very different from what the other 99% of the player would like.

Except the 99% of others players probably don't spend time on other forums/reddit waxing lyrical about the game.

They probably actually play it.

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Is this another degeneration into Elite vs Star Citizen again. Golly.

I've said it before and I will say it again: Both have the same goal of a full spectrum future space sim. ED published with a core flight game and are building it up bit by bit. SC is trying to do a more complete package before release. Both will get there. Both will be fantastic and yet have there own smaller niches. I will play both. And I will enjoy both. And I think that will be the case for a lot of people.

Well its not a Elite forum thread without the game being compared to games like Eve and concept like SC.

I noticed even a few threw in reference to ME:Andromeda which having just completed I can say it is nothing like Elite.

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If SC is good or is bad, ED is still....

currently in all good retails stores now unlike SC