General / Off-Topic is scotland leaving the UK?

[FuzzySpider]

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Now you always make links to this newspaper to show your facts on the forums, so let us see how you react next

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2012/jun/30/shetland-independence-vote-scotland

Sipping wine while waiting in anticipation and total amusement for the next reply.

From that article:

"We are as distant in our heads from Edinburgh as London," Tavish Scott told the Observer, "and neither quite gets Shetland. Our connections are east towards Scandinavia, from historic times, and those connections can be seen in our place names, our timberclad houses. We were insulating our houses long before any green policy from the Scottish government!"

"There is a strong feeling here," he said. "It's that there is an opportunity in this referendum for Shetland to get what it really wants, which is more control of its own affairs.

Where on earth does anywhere in that article say anything like...

Shetland Islands are first to bid to BREAKAWAY from Scotland and Join UK in revolt against Sturgeon's indy bid

Are you actually reading these things?

 

[Fyrd Judge]

From that article:



Where on earth does anywhere in that article say anything like...



Are you actually reading these things?

Did you not read the headline correctly, and becuase you refused to read the other articles you missed the Blatant statement that the guardian repeated and reported. Let me repeat it.


"Orkney and Shetland opt to stay in the UK and drive themselves a better deal with Westminster" !!! (It's on the top part of the guardian report)

Read all links i gave not one link, That is your mistake not doing research and getting the facts from various sources and not just one. Yes they report about going alone, this is options but they are in talks now with the UK government as i already pointed out, Giving sources


https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2012/jun/30/shetland-independence-vote-scotland

 

[FuzzySpider]

Did you not read the headline correctly, and becuase you refused to read the other articles you missed the Blatant statement that the guardian repeated and reported. Let me repeat it.


"Orkney and Shetland opt to stay in the UK and drive themselves a better deal with Westminster" !!!

Don't just read headlines!

Read the actual content for the love of god! The headline isn't the relevant bit. The actual things in the article are the relevant bits!

No wonder you are so dreadfully misinformed!

 

[Fyrd Judge]

Don't just read headlines!

Read the actual content for the love of god! The headline isn't the relevant bit. The actual things in the article are the relevant bits!

No wonder you are so dreadfully misinformed!

The head lines is not relevant bit !!!! Classic...

Soooo, as i said early on to you, i had the Scottish SNP statement on an early post and i would leave that last to prove my accuracy to the facts, because i did imply i can read you like a book and NO i am not making traps for you, to make you look foolish, it is an effective way to get to the truth and end your nonsense, here is the killer statement.

Taken from the Scottish Parliament website.

"Calling on the Scottish Parliament to urge the Scottish Government to hold three separate referenda in Shetland, Orkney, and the Western Isles on Thursday 25 September 2014, one week after the Scottish independence referendum, asking the people of each island group whether they would prefer their island group to:

· to become an independent country, or
· to stay in Scotland

and, in the event of a yes vote in the referendum on Scottish independence, to have the following additional option:
· to leave Scotland and stay in the remainder of the UK - Now read this and keep reading this until you can reply word to word

http://www.parliament.scot/GettingInvolved/Petitions/islandgroups



(The sounds of a plane being shot down can be heard over the forums skies as i smuggly walk off to to play Elite)

 

[Minonian]

There are ewoks, and there is the provoks. He is the latest... Deal with this walking dump of something accordingly.

 

[Fyrd Judge]

There are ewoks, and there is the provoks. He is the latest... Deal with this walking dump of something accordingly.

If you start creating untruths, twisting the facts and making fake news to serve your own agenda, then those people should be prepared for others to challenge them, so being abusive to people when they effectively counter the lies with facts, just shows you can't lose gracefully in the debate.


“When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser.”

― Socrates

 

[Lianachan]

I think anyone with a grain of sense knew the Spanish had repeatedly said they had no issue with Scots indy. But like everything with the Britnats, it takes a while to sink in.

Yup.

 

[Minonian]

skip the crap

And you know what? you do better to talk about gracefully lose, after you were a generous winner... And a generous winner does not do gloating, and with it, provoke the other...

 

[znôrt]

Yup.

you must be foreign to spanish politics. if a guy like that makes such a statement, expect exactly the opposite.

spain has no interest in scotland but spanish elite has a big interest in the eu not promoting secession, particularly now that their status quo is (slightly) threatened by catalonia and basque country growing push for more (or full) independence. they have built a full blown propaganda and fear mongering media machine exactly for that, and will use any leverage they can get, no matter how dirty. count on it.

 

[Moonax IRL]

Yup.

It's a sorry state that the argument of the British establishment for Scotland to remain part of the UK is so bankrupt and devoid of any positives that they have to rely on such nonsense. It really does signal the demise of the UK when it's reduced to such a level.

 

[Lianachan]

This is why Project Fear try every dirty trick in the book to keep Scotland part of the UK.

“If Scotland leaves they are going to take their oil with them and the pound could go down a great deal. It would certainly go down under one US dollar.”

“You've got a lot of debt, you've got a serious balance of trade problem which shows no signs of being corrected. I don't see anything to make sterling go up.“

 

[Moonax IRL]

Regardless of what anyone says, England (and I do mean England, as NI & Wales will have no say) will be begging an independent Scotland to use the pound because the rUK will have such a bad balance of payments, worse than the current poor deficit, that sterling will need the support from Scotland`s economy and exports to bailout same.

http://www.businessforscotland.com/euro-pound-or-scottish-pound/

"The really bad news is the UK is 188th out of 192 nations in terms of the strength of its current account balance. We have a critical balance of payments problem that is in danger of sinking the UK economy without a trace."

"If you were to take oil, whisky and food exports out of the sterling zone, the balance of trade deficit could cause sterling to sink like a stone, and so would the English economy."

"The rUK would also need to purchase between 30-40% of its energy from Scotland (oil and gas included) and if those trades were from sterling into another currency zone, then there would be no benefit from buying from Scotland, and not another EU country (especially after the EU super-grid has been completed)".

Add in Brexit and no access to the single market then it looks pretty dire.

 

[Adept]

The head lines is not relevant bit !!!! Classic...

They really aren't. They are just there to grab your attention and get you to read the article. If you rely on the headline for information, you'll get the wrong idea about half the time, as they tend to oversell things to a large degree.

 

[Moonax IRL]

They really aren't. They are just there to grab your attention and get you to read the article. If you rely on the headline for information, you'll get the wrong idea about half the time, as they tend to oversell things to a large degree.

Some people just like big pictures and stuff, they feel reading and critical thought are just too much effort. That`s why the Sun, Mail, Express and the like love their big headlines. A lot of their readership fall into a coma after the first paragraph.

 

[Adept]

Some people just like big pictures and stuff, they feel reading and critical thought are just too much effort. That`s why the Sun, Mail, Express and the like love their big headlines. A lot of their readership fall into a coma after the first paragraph.

I guess that's why the alternative is this

 

[Minonian]

Some things giving you ideas, make things understood. While others? Only pick up your interest.

 

[Moonax IRL]

The imperial Ukippers will swallow whatever the UK Daily Mail & UK Sun throws at them and then on the other side of the Irish sea the Irish Daily Mail & Irish Sun will tell a different story, case in point,

http://www.thejournal.ie/newspapers-reaction-ireland-3300079-Mar2017/. Its all about playing to the masses for sales.

 

[CMDR Heisenberg B. Damned]

They really aren't. They are just there to grab your attention and get you to read the article. If you rely on the headline for information, you'll get the wrong idea about half the time, as they tend to oversell things to a large degree.

Actually I think Fyrd has inadvertently hit on the truth. It's interesting that the headline is often not written by the journalist of the article but the copy editor. I follow a few journalist on twitter they do occasionally complain that the headline is misrepresenting the article. It's normally on fairly important but complex issue.

tl;dr exists for a reason so the headline really is relevant in the distribution of information to the (presumably) majority that can't be bothered reading the actual article.

Plus I've been clicking on "what happens next will shock you" for five minutes now, I think your link might be broken

 

[Adept]

Plus I've been clicking on "what happens next will shock you" for five minutes now, I think your link might be broken

ROFL

 

[znôrt]

you must be foreign to spanish politics. if a guy like that makes such a statement, expect exactly the opposite.

LOL, just stumbled across this today:
http://politica.elpais.com/politica/2017/04/03/actualidad/1491206086_783438.html

looks like he had a change of heart just 24h later!

informal translation (sorry, accurate but a bit sluggish, gotta hate this rubbish media speak):

Dastis wouldn't make clear this monday if Spain would veto an
independent Scotland in the EU. After
stating last sunday in EL PAIS that in principle he saw no reason
for a veto, he regretted having been misunderstood and has
refused to "speculate about future events that might or might not
happen". "The only certainty", he insisted, "is that when
the UK exits (the EU), so will Scotland. What happens after that
we'll see when it happens, if it happens"

After underlining that Scotland and Catalunya "aren't comparable"
he wanted to make clear that "when UK exits the EU it will be as a
whole. And our intent and desire is that it remains whole outside
of the EU, and we will be working in that direction. The Spanish
government doesn't support fragmentation or secession and will
maintain a state to state relationship with the UK".

Diplomatic sources stress that the Spanish government's position
has not changed: Scotland can not remain in the EU after
Brexit. If they were to declare independence in compliance with
British constitutional precepts and in accordance with London -
which isn't the case of Catalunya - they (Scotland) could request
admission into the community club, but would have to queue behind
the countries that have requested membership. The negotiation
could take years and it will be for the Spanish government at
that point to decide wether to veto or not their admission,
albeit there should be no reason to do so if they comply with all
requirements.


that people still pay attention to these sacks of lies is beyond me ...