Stream sniped and griefed while showing a newbie how to fly

[jasonbarron]

And this entire thread explains pretty much everything wrong with this game.

Using game mechanics/rules/"Role playing" to justify killing players just because you can = ganking. And idiotic.

I love the attitude of those who defend it. Never a good reason given, just 'well the game allows it, so I can'.

Good job Frontier. Good job. Like I said in my other thread.. it's becoming more and more like Eve every day.

Why do we have to defend why blowing up spaceships in a game literally about blowing spaceships is a perfectly reasonable activity to engage in? Perhaps you should try to explain why it's a bad thing to do in a game that actually encourages it. Sans ad hominem attacks if possible

 

[Goose4291]

And this entire thread explains pretty much everything wrong with this game.

Using game mechanics/rules/"Role playing" to justify killing players just because you can = ganking. And idiotic.

I love the attitude of those who defend it. Never a good reason given, just 'well the game allows it, so I can'.

Good job Frontier. Good job. Like I said in my other thread.. it's becoming more and more like Eve every day.

Oh god. Seriously.

When people 'justify' their shooting of other players, its in reaction to the rdiculous pop psychology drivel like we've seen here. Yet again. (For example the pirate who kills someone because they ran instead of surrendering their cargo, being compared to a real life murder- by some of the buffoons who post here).

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Why do we have to defend why blowing up spaceships in a game literally about blowing spaceships is a perfectly reasonable activity to engage in? Perhaps you should try to explain why it's a bad thing to do in a game that actually encourages it. Sans ad hominem attacks if possible

Damn your ninja-ing ways, good sir!

 

[bigity]

And this entire thread explains pretty much everything wrong with this game.

Using game mechanics/rules/"Role playing" to justify killing players just because you can = ganking. And idiotic.

I love the attitude of those who defend it. Never a good reason given, just 'well the game allows it, so I can'.

Good job Frontier. Good job. Like I said in my other thread.. it's becoming more and more like Eve every day.

Nothing wrong with PvP. It adds spice. There are many ways to avoid it in Elite. Use one of them - instead of trying to proclaim your thoughts on the matter are correct and other folks' are wrong.

 

[Chaparral]

That just sounds like rationalisation.

No new player is going to understand that open is full of psychopaths. It's not rational to expect them to understand that if they try to play in the common sand box than they'll be bullied relentlessly by players who they have no hope of defeating.

The biggest problem elite has, and it may very well be a fatal problem, is that there is no mechanism to curb anti-social behaviour. This is a problem because many people, when they encounter such behaviour, choose to leave the community rather than directly confront these people in game. It is as Rousseau explained about the state of nature : those who would be oppressed will simply leave rather than exist compliantly under the power of others. This is a problem for elite because instead of players enriching the experience of other players by creating content for the dev, the principle strength of MMOs, they are instead choosing to disengage from the game entirely.

No game that is in constant development can afford to hemorrhage its player base, so it can't afford to have new players, who they have just days ago said they are going to nerf multi-crew into irrelevance to protect, turn off the game because of anti-social behaviour. Because, while those players might have ponied up $40 for the base game, they're not going to pay anything more for additional content. Furthermore, they are likely to relate this toxic experience to other players who ask them if Elite is worth player.

This isn't a force of nature we are talking about. These players aren't stumbling into a black hole out of hubris. They're being, as evidenced by the video, harassed to satisfy some player's sadism. If that's how someone gets their kicks, fine, but it's not a sustainable process. It is toxic and it will eventually kill the game. The game cannot and will not persist to run for a handful of players who get their kicks by torturing small animals. If that is all that remains of the player base it will collapse and none of us will have this game any longer.

You nailed it. +1.

 

[Dbrn47]

Round and round we go

 

[Morbad]

I blow up space ships for evil reasons like self-defense and because people insist on joining the opposite side as me in conflict zones (and I'm always on the right side...I know it's the right side because it's the side I'm on, you see).

 

[Goose4291]

I blow up space ships for evil reasons like self-defense and because people insist on joining the opposite side as me in conflict zones (and I'm always on the right side...I know it's the right side because it's the side I'm on, you see).

How do you sleep at night?

 

[Ian Phillips]

This is not a psychology forum.

It's a game forum for discussing Elite Dangerous, so please get back on topic.

 

[Kaltern]

Oh god. Seriously.

When people 'justify' their shooting of other players, its in reaction to the rdiculous pop psychology drivel like we've seen here. Yet again. (For example the pirate who kills someone because they ran instead of surrendering their cargo, being compared to a real life murder- by some of the buffoons who post here).

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Damn your ninja-ing ways, good sir!

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So just to confirm, deliberately ruining other people's fun is, essentially, fun for you and other people who do the same thing?

And you are all the very same people crying when people don't play in open and instead take refuge in Mobius - a place that I hear being ridiculed by the exact same people defending the actions being described in this very thread.

I don't think I can make it much clearer than that.

 

[Morbad]

So just to confirm, deliberately ruining other people's fun is, essentially, fun for you and other people who do the same thing?

And you are all the very same people crying when people don't play in open and instead take refuge in Mobius - a place that I hear being ridiculed by the exact same people defending the actions being described in this very thread.

I don't think I can make it much clearer than that.

What makes you think Goose is attacking people to ruin their fun or has complained about people not playing in Open?

Personally, I've blown up thousands of CMDR piloted vessels, each and every one for a reason that had nothing to do with how it would make the player controlling said CMDR feel.

Nor do I complain if these people take offense, or make idiotic presumptions about my motives, and sod off to a mode where I'm not. If I wanted them around I wouldn't have blown up their damn ship.

 

[Goose4291]

So just to confirm, deliberately ruining other people's fun is, essentially, fun for you and other people who do the same thing?

And you are all the very same people crying when people don't play in open and instead take refuge in Mobius - a place that I hear being ridiculed by the exact same people defending the actions being described in this very thread.

I don't think I can make it much clearer than that.

Thats not what I said. Please dont put words in my mouth. As my wife will attest, I can make a pigs ear of things without outside help.

What I'm saying is that there is no need to psycho analyse people because they choose to shoot other people, in a game, where we have gun mounts on our ships. Particularly in a mode that allows it. Nothing more than that.

The whole private group indirect pvp thing is a different kettle of fish.

 

[jasonbarron]

What makes you think Goose is attacking people to ruin their fun or has complained about people not playing in Open?

Personally, I've blown up thousands of CMDR piloted vessels, each and every one for a reason that had nothing to do with how it would make the player controlling said CMDR feel.

Nor do I complain if these people take offense, or make idiotic presumptions about my motives, and sod off to a mode where I'm not. If I wanted them around I wouldn't have blown up their damn ship.

Well put, CMDR. I like the cut of your jib.

 

[Kaltern]

Thats not what I said. Please dont put words in my mouth. As my wife will attest, I can make a pigs ear of things without outside help.

What I'm saying is that there is no need to psycho analyse people because they choose to shoot other people, in a game, where we have guns mounts on our ships. Nothing more than that.

The whole private group indirect pvp thing is a different kettle of fish.

This thread is not about that subject. This thread is about people shooting other people because they can, and they have no logical, game-related motive for doing so, such as bounties or just being wanted.

I don't psycho analyse anyone... I'm just pointing out that shooting someone because they were on a live stream is a ridiculous thing to do, and has no bearing on the game in any way. It's just an act by someone who is acting 'in the rules of the game' - and these rules clearly need to stop before more and more people are put off playing in open because of the reputation it richly deserves.

I'm not even going to bother to respond to the other replies, because that's baiting, and I really have better things to spend my time on

 

[Lucifer Hate]

This is not a psychology forum.

It's a game forum for discussing Elite Dangerous, so please get back on topic.

Technically it is on topic because it is discussing the perceived psychology of elite playstyles

 

[Lucifer Hate]

Then I suggest you look back to the early CODE threads, 13th legion blockade threads, or the powerplay threads when it was popular.

Yeah I dont know how many times that The Code has been compared to murderers, rapists, Isis, and Al-Queda just because we choose to play as pirates which is an advertised career in this game

I have read a study about how online games and general "internet anonymity" brings up the true nature of a person. Things that are suppressed by upbringing, education and social connections can emerge and develop freely when a person is safe from any repercussions. (and no, I don't talk about "games make people kill people" nonsense.)
I once called a known griefer a "mass-murdering psychopath" They, and the whole forum with them, seemed to be offended by that. "It's just a game" was their major argument back then, as well. But I stand behind that statement.

I really believe that some people aren't hurting and murdering other people in real life only because it's illegal and impeachable. Normal person doesn't feel a need to hurt other people, and it doesn't matter whether it is in a game or real life.
Mass-murdering psychopath, if they have any sense of self-preservation, also won't murder people in real life, but in a game they can roam freely so they are enjoying themselves.

I thought I had seen it all on the forums till I saw this. Just because I play a pirate in the game and kill when someone does not comply does not mean that I want to rob and kill people in real life illegal or not. By the standard of this so called study does it mean that anyone that chooses open knowing they are unable to keep themselves from getting killed in game mean they wan to be killed or suicide IRL. Heck no it means they want to play the game with other people whether those people might be friendly or not. This game offers many playstyles but none of them mean that is what a person is like IRL, IT IS A GAME!!!

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You may not always know the reason someone kills you. For instance The Code will go after those alot of times with k-warrant scanners as we look at that as a bounty hunter tool will makes them a direct opposition to us just as 2 powerplay factions might be in direct opposition. Killers may have a reason and there is no rule stating they have to tell you what it is

 

[Jaffz]

@jasonbarron Willing to guess you're missing the point, which is getting away with it. You could take a kitchen knife out of your drawer, drive to wherever, and probably kill more than one person before you were stopped. After that, though, you might be dead or in jail forever.

It's genuinely amazing how seriously people take this game

Everyone gets ganked - it's been done to me and I've done it to others

It's just a game , go outside and get some fresh air

 

[space pilot]

Just because I play a pirate in the game and kill when someone does not comply...

That's not the same thing as ganking for entertainment. I would say it's two steps removed. First you're doing it for monetary gain, and second you're giving them the chance to survive by dropping cargo.

 

[Lucifer Hate]

That's not the same thing as ganking for entertainment. I would say it's two steps removed. First you're doing it for monetary gain, and second you're giving them the chance to survive by dropping cargo.

The thing is you are taking that 1 part out of context.. If you read the whole thing including the answer to the 1st quote in my post you will see my meaning. You are labeling someone with disorders or RL char flaws or traits based on what they do in a video game. the main part being "I thought I had seen it all on the forums till I saw this. Just because I play a pirate in the game and kill when someone does not comply does not mean that I want to rob and kill people in real life illegal or not". That was in response to his study post which does the same thing you have been doing, basically labeling people with things like sociopath because of actions in a fantasy game. Yes I kill in game whether it be bounty hunters, non compliant traders or whatever and have been called and accused of having many violent mental disorders because of it. It gets a bit ridiculous as I said THIS IS A GAME!!!

Shooting people in a game is just that and not some complex or disorder.

 

[space pilot]

The thing is you are taking that 1 part out of context.. If you read the whole thing including the answer to the 1st quote in my post you will see my meaning. You are labeling someone with disorders or RL char flaws or traits based on what they do in a video game. the main part being "I thought I had seen it all on the forums till I saw this. Just because I play a pirate in the game and kill when someone does not comply does not mean that I want to rob and kill people in real life illegal or not". That was in response to his study post which does the same thing you have been doing, basically labeling people with things like sociopath because of actions in a fantasy game. Yes I kill in game whether it be bounty hunters, non compliant traders or whatever and have been called and accused of having many violent mental disorders because of it. It gets a bit ridiculous as I said THIS IS A GAME!!!

Shooting people in a game is just that and not some complex or disorder.

Is the "whatever" ambushing a weak ship in your powerful ship, knowing they haven't got a chance, for no other reason than the enjoyment of blowing up their ship? Otherwise it's still not the same thing. If you're a pirate and you attack known bounty hunters, that's similar to faction vs. faction combat, which (typically) isn't ganking either.

And I don't think I ever said that everyone who does X is a sociopath, but sometimes looking at a specific person in a specific situation, it's obvious.

 

[Jaffz]

Is the "whatever" ambushing a weak ship in your powerful ship, knowing they haven't got a chance, for no other reason than the enjoyment of blowing up their ship? Otherwise it's still not the same thing. If you're a pirate and you attack known bounty hunters, that's similar to faction vs. faction combat, which (typically) isn't ganking either.

And I don't think I ever said that everyone who does X is a sociopath, but sometimes looking at a specific person in a specific situation, it's obvious.

LOL

just....what?

I don't even

What?