cmon fdev pull your finger out
#support3rdparty - Why we temporarily shut down our sites.
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Don't know why I asked, should realise now that you can make all sorts of claim on here with no proof.
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again playing the "No Pay" card, when you are volunteering you dont expect anything in return, no support, no pay, no pat on your shoulder. If you are expecting that its maybe time to stop "volunteering" and let other people fill your space.
I use these tools
I agree, a large portion of the player base rely on these tools.
It would be nice to see FDev create a better developer API and community around creating and supporting these tools, providing details to upcoming API changes so the 3rd party tools can prepare for upcoming releases. The 3rd party tools have greatly enhanced the game.
I agree, a large portion of the player base rely on these tools.
It would be nice to see FDev create a better developer API and community around creating and supporting these tools, providing details to upcoming API changes so the 3rd party tools can prepare for upcoming releases. The 3rd party tools have greatly enhanced the game.
They're a bit busy with other things right now. Things that affect the entire player base.
API access for a fee? So third parties provide extra value for the game by developing tools for free, and then they'd have to pay FDEV for the pleasure? Well, admittedly they already pay for their domains and hosting, but still…
As for being held to ransom, that kind of presupposes that FDEV considers these tools important for their game. If so, maybe it's time to realise they can't just expect people to commit to keep providing these tools for free without any support from their side. On the other hand if FDEV doesn't see these tools as important for the game, then how could they be "held to ransom" over something they don't care about?
(edit: Forgot to say that I agree "provide better in-game tools" is in itself a great solution to the problem.)
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As much as I hate these action. I will say the tone and the language used to convey this message to frontier is professional, clear and very polite.
You have done it in an effective manner to not insult both frontier or users of the websites listed and taking part.
I stand by your decision.
I also believe these websites along with EDC in Facebook play a significant role to improve the Elite Dangerous community and game. I use them on a weekly basis.
Please support 3rd party software developers!
You have done it in an effective manner to not insult both frontier or users of the websites listed and taking part.
I stand by your decision.
I also believe these websites along with EDC in Facebook play a significant role to improve the Elite Dangerous community and game. I use them on a weekly basis.
Please support 3rd party software developers!
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I'm in support of the shutdown. I do think you folks need to get more communication out of Frontier.
It will be an interesting challenge to see how the community survives without use of 3rd party programs we all know and love.
This is tantamount to some form of a boycott.
Similar to Day Without Immigrants 2017, it would be a week without 3rd party developers.
Hopefully no one will get fired from their job or banned from the community due to this.
#support3rdparty
It will be an interesting challenge to see how the community survives without use of 3rd party programs we all know and love.
This is tantamount to some form of a boycott.
Similar to Day Without Immigrants 2017, it would be a week without 3rd party developers.
Hopefully no one will get fired from their job or banned from the community due to this.
#support3rdparty
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This is so good, also this just goes to show how bad Fdev is at communication.
Remember people I said it MANY time before in the last years.
Frontier is absolutely attrocious with communication and it doesn't seem to change or improve.
You have my full support.
Time to wake up Fdev, listen to your community.
Remember people I said it MANY time before in the last years.
Frontier is absolutely attrocious with communication and it doesn't seem to change or improve.
You have my full support.
Time to wake up Fdev, listen to your community.
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I wouldn't have been exposed to the greater breadth of the Elite Dangerous community without the likes of Inara to help. Exploring's made so much more effective with EDSM being able to keep everything together (and not step on the toes of others by taking their systems!), and even though it's an inconvenience to not have them available to me for the duration of the weekend, I can understand and support the decision behind it. Hopefully you folks are able to accomplish what you set out to achieve. I'll continue to support third party developers in any manner that I feasibly can. o7
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Please hold your breath while waiting for FDevs to fill this space in their paid developer time.
Not to be an a, but every developer should understand that building against an undocumented API is like building a house on ice. No service level agreement == no leg to stand on. Pulling the plug of your own systems will only demonstrate what will happen in the long run anyway.
Ever noticed to little paypal donate box on them? Some don't do it for free.
First off, I 100% support the third-party developers. As a developer myself I totally understand your frustration.
I'd just like to say something to all the massive cynics out there wagging their fingers at the third party devs, claiming they are "ransoming/extorting/holding hostage" etc. What is it you think they're ransoming? Money? Jewels? No, they just love the game, they love developing tools that much and want to help YOU enjoy the game more. You really think they're doing this for some other reason? If you don't use the tools, then you have *no reason to comment*! If you do and you're feeling hurt that they are shutting down for a few days, well guess what? They're giving you a taste of *where things are headed*, get it? These guys can't provide this service if things don't improve. They're helping *you* by doing this!
This is funny. On one hand you claim the tools are totally unnecessary, then you claim taking them away does damage to an in-game event. Which is it? If you really think the tools aren't necessary, then you should have no beef. Or maybe you're angry at the "intent"? Why? Are you here to stand guard for the poor FD devs? You should be ecstatic that the third party devs would alienate themselves this way from the community and FD, so that the game can go back to being played the way it was *meant* to be, and they would walk away and stop annoying those super-busy devs and community managers, right? "Too much to stomach", good lord.
Obfuscate much? Unfortunately for you the OP outlines that yes indeed tools were already in development during *beta*. I was using things like Slopey's within a few of weeks of release because trading was terrible without it. Perhaps *you* survived a year without these tools, but "most of us" is completely false.
I'd just like to say something to all the massive cynics out there wagging their fingers at the third party devs, claiming they are "ransoming/extorting/holding hostage" etc. What is it you think they're ransoming? Money? Jewels? No, they just love the game, they love developing tools that much and want to help YOU enjoy the game more. You really think they're doing this for some other reason? If you don't use the tools, then you have *no reason to comment*! If you do and you're feeling hurt that they are shutting down for a few days, well guess what? They're giving you a taste of *where things are headed*, get it? These guys can't provide this service if things don't improve. They're helping *you* by doing this!
This is funny. On one hand you claim the tools are totally unnecessary, then you claim taking them away does damage to an in-game event. Which is it? If you really think the tools aren't necessary, then you should have no beef. Or maybe you're angry at the "intent"? Why? Are you here to stand guard for the poor FD devs? You should be ecstatic that the third party devs would alienate themselves this way from the community and FD, so that the game can go back to being played the way it was *meant* to be, and they would walk away and stop annoying those super-busy devs and community managers, right? "Too much to stomach", good lord.
Obfuscate much? Unfortunately for you the OP outlines that yes indeed tools were already in development during *beta*. I was using things like Slopey's within a few of weeks of release because trading was terrible without it. Perhaps *you* survived a year without these tools, but "most of us" is completely false.
I dont need those tools, ED is perfectly playable without it. You just have to git gut.
I for one spend far more time on these sites than I spend in the game. Being a full time employed person doing these kinds of things outside the game, when I have a few minutes online, gives me the chance to keep up with other players who spend far more time inside the game than I ever possibly could. Being able to figure out what to do next, experimenting with ship configurations, having access to my inventory, being able to research where to go next to do the things I want in the game, etc… are all things people outside of the developers have been able to create free of charge.
The effort in these sites and programs has to be immense and anything the developers can do to make their lives easier, without breaking the game would be a huge help to not just them but almost everyone that can’t spend hours a day in your game to figure these things out for themselves. Without these sites I simply couldn’t spend the time needed to be in the game to make much headway, much less have the connection to other players these sites create in order to do corporative things you developers do not have the time or money for.
The loss of these kinds of sites would make this game unplayable for many of us that have day jobs. Anything you can do to help these guy out will be hugely appreciated.
Thank you
The effort in these sites and programs has to be immense and anything the developers can do to make their lives easier, without breaking the game would be a huge help to not just them but almost everyone that can’t spend hours a day in your game to figure these things out for themselves. Without these sites I simply couldn’t spend the time needed to be in the game to make much headway, much less have the connection to other players these sites create in order to do corporative things you developers do not have the time or money for.
The loss of these kinds of sites would make this game unplayable for many of us that have day jobs. Anything you can do to help these guy out will be hugely appreciated.
Thank you
I support this action!
Seems to me the basic request is:
We build this things out of love and passion for the game. A bit of help from you guys would help build on that. As the situation stands we're having cold water poured on the fires of our enthusiasm, therefore until you help us out a bit we are with drawing.
A fairly reasonable position only the most ardent right-winger could disagree with.
Respect and solidarity!
Seems to me the basic request is:
We build this things out of love and passion for the game. A bit of help from you guys would help build on that. As the situation stands we're having cold water poured on the fires of our enthusiasm, therefore until you help us out a bit we are with drawing.
A fairly reasonable position only the most ardent right-winger could disagree with.
Respect and solidarity!
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